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54. "I think people tend to grade originators on too much of a curve at times"
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Thu Jan-09-14 09:22 AM by Anonymous

  

          

>>I'd like to see the albums that are better lyrically.
>>
>
>not just FTL, but I'd put Rakim's first three over IWW, there
>was just too much innovation and reinvention of lyrical
>technique over the course of all three of them to ignore them

Listen, I'm not mad at people saying Rakim but I just think Nas took what those MCs did took the next level. And there's nothing wrong with that and that's what's supposed to happen. Jordan took what Dr. J did to the next level. Or some may say Jordan is a greater player than Kobe like Rakim is a greater MC than Nas but to me, IWW was Nas dropping 81.

>there's others I'd name before it as well, like Kool Keith on
>Critical Beatdown,

Nah man...nah

Kool G. Rap on Wanted: Dead or Alive (which
>is an obvious influence on IWW)

I love G Rap...always liked him more than Kane but the only dude from that era I'm not going to really argue with is Rakim. Nas passed all the others. Nas is just more versatile than G Rap.

or KRS on KRS-One

Nah man...nah. Lol. We've already had this conversation on here. The way I see it is: Rakim, KRS, G Rap. But I dont have KRS that high for his flat out lyricism. Dude is at times very basic as far as his rhyme structure and excels at his diction and delivery. I also love the self-titled but there are many albums I would name as lyrically better than that joint.

>but IWW is significant in that Nas didn't reinvent the wheel
>lyrically, but instead took material that had been used time
>and time again and added another dimension to it by finding
>ways to make what was usually above-it-all material and made
>it seem personal

This is what I'm talking about. And what you explained is the definition of reinventing the wheel. He took what people were doing and added to it and put his touch on it and in doing so improved upon it. This is what I mean by people giving more credit to the originators. For some reason in Hip-Hop it's seen as impossible for someone to be greater than that Rakim/G Rap/KRS/Kane era. Dyson didn't invent the vacuum but they made that shit better.

>that's why I think Illmatic is a better album but IWW is his
>best emcee performance, even if I didn't get drawn in to all
>his stories
>

I agree with this. There are a few things I would change about IWW.

>
>>And I'm not opposed to there being an album that's better
>but
>>it seems as though you're saying Nas isn't really as close
>to
>>whoever you feel is the best.
>
>not in the slightest
>but I've said before Nas wasn't my problem with IWW, sure
>there's some questionable song choices there but he delivered
>the goods on each verse-I don't think that much is disputable

Agreed.

  

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It Was Written > Illmatic [View all] , waiters07, Tue Jan-07-14 01:24 PM
 
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Yea. Stupid. Angry that I gave them the page view.
Jan 07th 2014
1
yup, just another dude who thinks popularity trumps art
Jan 07th 2014
4
so it wasn't stupid at all. it was well thought out. you...
Jan 07th 2014
24
      damn, you might not be as smart as i thought
Jan 08th 2014
48
      My point was that...
Jan 08th 2014
49
I think I'm in the minority that agrees It Was Written > Illmatic
Jan 07th 2014
2
im with you.
Jan 07th 2014
6
I loved IWW Illmatic was aight
Jan 08th 2014
38
I agree.
Jan 10th 2014
82
lol, how cute
Jan 07th 2014
3
you could say that the rapping on iww is better
Jan 07th 2014
5
I don't think you could.
Jan 07th 2014
7
me either
Jan 07th 2014
20
I believe it is
Jan 07th 2014
22
      yup. it is masterful in terms of...
Jan 07th 2014
25
      I don't think I'd take it THAT far
Jan 08th 2014
32
           *shrugs* I would
Jan 08th 2014
33
RE: you could say that the rapping on iww is better
Jan 09th 2014
70
      i think for a lot of people the subject matters takes away from it
Jan 09th 2014
71
Nope. Largely cause of the doo doo stain that is Nas is Coming.
Jan 07th 2014
8
i love that song. that beat booms in a quality system
Jan 07th 2014
26
i like that song too
Jan 10th 2014
80
That intro. Ugh.
Jan 08th 2014
29
      Hah! I've thought that for a while
Jan 08th 2014
40
      that shit always annoyed the fuck out of me
Jan 09th 2014
74
naaah
Jan 07th 2014
9
Yes. Lyrically that was Nas' at his bewildering best
Jan 07th 2014
10
what was he even saying tho?
Jan 07th 2014
11
      RE: what was he even saying tho?
Jan 07th 2014
12
           a little sugar to help the poison go down?
Jan 07th 2014
13
                This made me laugh.
Jan 07th 2014
14
                RE: a little sugar to help the poison go down?
Jan 07th 2014
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                     are people dumb enough to follow dumb ass rappers?
Jan 07th 2014
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i would say they are equal
Jan 07th 2014
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It's called contrarianism
Jan 07th 2014
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I'm not mad at the premise
Jan 07th 2014
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I been arguing this on these here boards for like 15 years...lol
Jan 07th 2014
21
brevity ADDS to Illmatic's superior status actually
Jan 07th 2014
23
Sports Analogy Time! lol
Jan 08th 2014
35
      sports/art analogies are bound to fall apart
Jan 08th 2014
37
      With you 100%.
Jan 08th 2014
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      They aren't perfect, but it helps people understand my point of view
Jan 08th 2014
44
           i can dig it
Jan 08th 2014
45
           Great counterpoints. No argument from me. Just...
Jan 08th 2014
47
      I'll take on your sports analogy theory
Jan 08th 2014
46
           I Feel You...
Jan 08th 2014
50
                I get that you aren't shitting on Illmatic
Jan 09th 2014
72
it must be a relief that some schmuck finally agrees w/you
Jan 09th 2014
75
      Naw, plenty of people agree with me...Just not in "The Lesson"
Jan 09th 2014
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i wrote about this very thing when IWW turned 15 in 2011
Jan 07th 2014
27
it's debatable for sure.
Jan 08th 2014
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Illmatic is the better album, BUT
Jan 08th 2014
30
it the closest Nas will get-there have been better albums lyrically
Jan 08th 2014
31
      I know you're going to say Follow The Leader...but what else?
Jan 08th 2014
34
      not what I said at all
Jan 08th 2014
51
          
                that isn't what's happening here
Jan 10th 2014
78
      I hear ya bro
Jan 08th 2014
36
both are classic to me. n/m
Jan 08th 2014
39
Say what you want about the lyrics, and they might be better
Jan 08th 2014
42
Illmatic and It Was Written are two sides of the same coin
Jan 08th 2014
43
What are the Jay-Z jabs he's talking about?
Jan 09th 2014
52
I read the the whole article but disregarded it at that moment
Jan 09th 2014
53
Glad I wasn't the only one
Jan 09th 2014
57
that's that revisionist theory ish. Jay done made cats rewrite history
Jan 09th 2014
55
yeah i only remember shots being directed towards BIG
Jan 09th 2014
56
you guys don't do your research, do you?
Jan 09th 2014
58
Yeah I read that. Did you?
Jan 09th 2014
60
what?
Jan 09th 2014
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      My point is that....
Jan 09th 2014
63
nah, we hate complex here
Jan 09th 2014
62
      Dead Pesidents/Aint No & Cant Knock were all on the radio
Jan 09th 2014
65
           RE: Dead Pesidents/Aint No & Cant Knock were all on the radio
Jan 09th 2014
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           lmao shut the fuck up IWW went like double plat
Jan 09th 2014
73
                yeah, that Lauren feature got him a lot of love
Jan 10th 2014
79
                     But Phil...
Jan 10th 2014
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                          im just challenging the notion that Jay wasnt popular at the time
Jan 10th 2014
83
"Lex('s) with TV sets, the minimum" - Nas on "The Message"
Jan 09th 2014
59
      it always bothered me that Common denied dissing Nas
Jan 09th 2014
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           Why would he use an 11 year old song...
Jan 09th 2014
66
                Common dissed a lot of people subliminally
Jan 09th 2014
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                     Yea but he usually made it clear why he was dissing them...
Jan 09th 2014
69
Nas reached his peak as an emcee on IWW
Jan 09th 2014
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