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38. "lol weird flex, fam."
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Odd for many reasons, but namely:

(1) you're positing "Black adults in America" as a monolith that all essentially think one way about government/Dem party politics; and
(2) the notion that healthy skepticism of government (government that has innumerably demonstrated its corruption of power/abuse - particularly towards certain communities) as "conspiratorial" and in-line with views only a crazy uncle would hold.

Even when you look at the 2020 primary polling data, you'll notice a diversity of views across a vast spectrum among Black voters. There are *significant* generational and geographic differences that debunk any notion of a monolith. Black voters under 40 hold decisively more progressive views than older Black voters, typified by the voting breakdown of those who voted for Sanders/Warren (Sanders decisively won the under 40 Black vote) versus the older Black voting community which came out in droves for Biden - and indeed - he wouldn't have won without their support (buoyed by Clyburn in SC). Also, Black voters in the South vote differently than Black voters in Nevada, or California, or Michigan.

The idea that those voters who opted for more progressive candidates (or hold more skeptical views of government) didn't grow up around Black people is a weird take, with no evidence to support it.

There is absolutely a strong tradition of the evangelical left and the Black church in the south fusing with Democratic party politics, and that's one of the reasons Black voters (particularly in the South) tend to vote more conservatively and have become a stalwart for moderate/conservative Democratic politics. There's also a significant elite that has developed within that circle (something Cornel West often refers to as the CBC gravy train) - but that trend is being disrupted among younger generations. The electorate of 2030 will look quite different than the electorate of 2010.

Incidentally, I grew up around a lot of Black people. I moved a lot as a kid, and two of the communities I lived in and went to school in were predominately Black. In some instances, I was the only non-Black in some of my classes. I'm even a member of a historically Black legal fraternity. I've lived in many different countries and have also spent considerable time living in predominately Indigenous/Latino communities.

What I can say - for sure - is that never once in my life did I witness wholly monolithic thinking of any group, maybe except for a certain contingent of conservative whites who demonstrated far more groupthink than many other communities often cited as being purportedly monolithic in philosophy.

Another example of this fundamental misunderstanding is in the view that an influx of immigration from Mexico and Central/South America will ultimately lead to a massive infusion of Democratic voters, but that's not what's actually happening. Republicans are actually getting larger portions of that electorate than most realize.

But yea fam - flex away if you want - but maybe people just actually have honest disagreements with your unconditional cheerleading of Establishment Democrats. Maybe it has nothing to do with where they grew up. Maybe they aren't being "conspiratorial" and are just assessing the institutional rot for what it is.





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How Many Of Yall Grew Up Around Black People? [View all] , Reeq, Wed Aug-24-22 04:02 PM
 
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i did and majority of Black people are undereducated
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ah black people are 'low information voters'?
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i said majority
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You cherry-pickingly skipped over the part where he says
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Dude still stumping for Hillary, got the Biden pom poms out...
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LMAO
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lol the lack of self awareness is crazy
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I dig having "one of him" here
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      RE: this is literally the only community
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So did pro-communist efforts.
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I'm talking about government jailing and killing people
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this is why having family who were born and raised here makes a diff
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Everyone's mad but this is devastating counter-evidence
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^And this is why I can't fuck with black Bernie Bros or third party peop...
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grew up in a majority black city.
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i grew up in a majority (60%) black city too.
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is it also like a post generational rebellion?
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Bernie poisoned people's minds
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a lot of it is the church
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Damn, that shit cut deep my Panamanian brother?
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definitely hit a nerve
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hold up...dude people ain't from here? LOL
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Panama?
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....eh, don't fight over politics on OKP. Just Gettysburg and let the
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big difference between "around" and "almost exclusively around"
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haha that isn't even why you get called an op man stop it
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Nah
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I thought black folk not being a monolith was a good thing.
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Sauvignon Blanc Te Muna Road Vineyard
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      I don't get the reference, but alright.
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Grew up around Black folk and most did not give a fuck about politics
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Grew up in Philly, around almost all black folks. I thought we all hated...
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ay day, all day. not as close knit as my wife's community, but the exper...
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lol. i be missing episodes. i just replied to this joint at face value.
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I did in the Mattapan-Dorchester-Roxbury boroughs of Boston
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