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41. "RE: Not dead, just different, and needs to step away from Hip-hop"
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Yeah. I don't like hiphop taking all of the blame but it isn't innocent so I'll leave it alone.

I don't know if its lack of love even. To me, sometimes I don't hear enough of the 'feeling'. Its like someone shows up with a thought. And then, if it hits, then all of a sudden a bunch of people show up 'feeling the same way' but its almost obviously manufactured. Maybe that's not new, but it feels more 'calculated' now than ever. I'm even skeptical of the shift towards 'hey, we're happy now yawl!' that I'm thinking is coming. I'll take it over continuously moody and brooding sadness for sure.

But hey, 'real feelings' are expensive to package and risky to put out for commerce unless that 'feeling' is what people wanna hear at that time, right? IE: it can REALLY work and then it can really fail hard.

I remember saying 'a woman can have a hit if she shows up and says something bad about dudes and/or a break-up in the right way' like 25 years ago. It was after Alanis. And then there was Beyonce and Adele. And Kelis. Or even a Blu Cantrell. Clearly some people wanted to hear a woman say 'Fuck that dude' at some ex. Mary J was probably more 'balanced' with it but she got it out there too.

But...feelings CAN backfire on you, right?

I think about Marvin and Here, My Dear. He put that out right when people were trying to dance/party/lighten-up and it bricked. I'm sure Motown didn't help and Marvin was obviously self-destructing by then too. But still, that album was weird, jamming, heavy, and one hell of a set of confessions and observations. It just wasn't time for it yet. And there's grown folks who swear they love 'ole school music' but they haven't heard it cuz they're not playing 'Is That Enough' on Uncle Ray's R&B radio station.

Even something like Lauryn Hill showing up in 2002 like 'hey, this fame shit!? It doesn't make the evil mfers all around us LESS evil. I'm not sure I want any of it anymore' on Mystery of Iniquity didn't land as well as it could've if it had some at a time where people wanted that info from her. Now, people say basically that all the time and its whatever. Stream number king himself (Drake) can't wait to claim he doesn't know if he wants all that he has because of what he's had to 'pay' to get it and keep it.

Even now, Kendrick Lamar is going to therapy and trying to tell people to work on themselves on his last record. And some people aren't with it cuz it didn't 'hit them' like they wanted it to. But its pretty much gonna be his Here, My Dear 10 years from now. AKA some people will look back and say 'Whoa, dude was trying to tell us all of this shit here and we missed it!? We suck!'.

So, what does an artist do?

>Bentagain already named a lot of dope artists in the r&b lane
>that are putting our quality music today.
>
>But the mainstream/radio/most heard/viral/whatever that is out
>front is decidedly different from what most of us used to
>90's/80's/70's r&b like to hear.
>
>Just my two cents:
>
>1. Hip-hop and r&b had their honeymoon/blissful period in the
>90's. They need a trial separation now. Too many mainstream
>cats basically spittin' the same bullshit rappers spit. Too
>many songs with rap verses that don't need them.
>
>2. Not enough love anymore. Dudes used to sing about LOVING
>women, not just hittin' it. There's no more begging, pleading,
>complimenting, wooing or just plain game anymore. It's all "my
>car, my house, i got stacks, imma boss, i can make you a boss,
>let me purchase you" in essence.
>______________________________________________________________________________
>
>"To Each His Reach"
>
>but.....
>
>Fuck aliens.

  

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R&B Music is dead: from me to Diddy to MJB to whatever else [View all] , c71, Tue Aug-23-22 10:31 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Sound old AF talking about radio
Aug 23rd 2022
1
You stepped into my OBVIOUS trap *sinister laugh*
Aug 23rd 2022
2
      It's a feeling (c) Diddy
Aug 23rd 2022
7
           There's way more than a handful of pop artists getting ATTENTION
Aug 23rd 2022
8
                Now you're just being ignorant
Aug 23rd 2022
9
                     Pop isn't dead
Aug 23rd 2022
10
                          How much less attention are they getting than pop acts in the past?
Aug 23rd 2022
11
RE: R&B Music is dead: from me to Diddy to MJB to whatever else
Aug 23rd 2022
3
i mean, LOVE and POSITIVITY in R&B is dead.
Aug 23rd 2022
4
RE: i mean, LOVE and POSITIVITY in R&B is dead.
Aug 23rd 2022
5
      Again, obvious trap - *AHEM*
Aug 23rd 2022
6
           RE: Again, obvious trap - *AHEM*
Aug 24th 2022
18
The melding of Hip-Hop and R&B killed both.
Aug 24th 2022
12
I think the big difference between Hip-Hop and R&B is that R&B audiences
Aug 24th 2022
13
RE: I think the big difference between Hip-Hop and R&B is that R&B audie...
Aug 24th 2022
21
      You right
Aug 25th 2022
29
Usher going at us Gen-X-tied-to-the-radio people - vibe
Aug 24th 2022
14
Usher is an F'ing National Treasure.
Aug 24th 2022
22
'r&b aint dead. yall niggas just ugly' (c)
Aug 24th 2022
15
RE: R&B Music is dead: from me to Diddy to MJB to whatever else
Aug 24th 2022
16
that PJ Morton though
Aug 24th 2022
17
absurd. i could list 20 artists that have released albums
Aug 24th 2022
19
I gotta confess...I don't quite understand what Puff is trying to say
Aug 24th 2022
20
Puff and Tank and MJB are saying there seems to be no...
Aug 24th 2022
23
RE: Puff and Tank and MJB are saying there seems to be no...
Aug 24th 2022
26
We sort of did do it to us because radio got arrogant and didn't...
Aug 24th 2022
27
      They STAYED arrogant
Aug 24th 2022
28
      The trap shit dominates because it's cheaper and easier
Aug 25th 2022
31
RE: Puff and Tank and MJB are saying there seems to be no...
Aug 25th 2022
39
RE: I gotta confess...I don't quite understand what Puff is trying to sa...
Aug 24th 2022
24
      If we're used to radio setting the mark - IG and streaming "surrounds"?
Aug 24th 2022
25
Man I was super-excited when I first heard an all hip-hop radio station
Aug 25th 2022
30
What's maddening about NYC is there's only one station
Aug 25th 2022
32
      part of it is lot of people don't listen to radio anymore more everyone....
Aug 25th 2022
34
           Yeah but look who does still listen to radio?
Aug 25th 2022
35
                true...I think its a conflict of interests because the marketing and...
Aug 25th 2022
36
Not dead, just different, and needs to step away from Hip-hop
Aug 25th 2022
33
It's amusing to watch kids get in their feels when the elders critique.....
Aug 25th 2022
37
More amusing: watching the same kids turn 35-40
Aug 25th 2022
38
Don't this nigga own a TV network?
Aug 25th 2022
40
if R&B is dead, Diddy was the architect
Sep 09th 2022
42
Mainstream people have no loyalty. They'll change-up what they "love" .....
Sep 09th 2022
43
RE: Mainstream people have no loyalty. They'll change-up what they "love...
Sep 09th 2022
44
      Crumb
Sep 09th 2022
45
      Crumb is really dope
Sep 14th 2022
51
That’s because today’s artist can’t SANG.
Sep 10th 2022
46
talent has little to do with this.
Sep 10th 2022
47
how do you feel about the Silk Sonic album?
Sep 10th 2022
48
damn, I was almost with you until you said Frank Ocean
Sep 10th 2022
49
      Right? Lol
Sep 12th 2022
50

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