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28. "They STAYED arrogant"
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>...give more variety. Like I said, they let that trap sound
>dominate too long and people got tired of it. Radio didn't
>lead the way.
>
>P-Funk said radio needed a little push to play P-Funk
>
>Radio needed a little push to play De La Soul
>
>But radio got too arrogant when radio decided people would
>love trap-R&B and trap hip-hop FOREVER
>
>There needed to be that "open window" to the P-Funk's and De
>La Soul's that opens up every 10 years on Black radio
>
>
>>But we aren't blameless
>>here, are we? This didn't 'just happen' to us, did it?
>

I'm with you there. Radio has and has had hella data available to do better. And even worse, when they had 'real DJs', they had those folks telling them what they needed to play and a bunch of the stations didn't really listen.

In the 70s and 80s, there were record clubs and DJs/rich kids who were in those clubs would get EVERYTHING (albums, 12" singles, remixes, all of that), so they knew damn well what was jamming. But stations had 'formats' by then so there was only so much they could do. And that says nothing of payola of course.

Even in the mid-90s, I had homeboys who did street team stuff for some record labels. And so sometimes, we'd be in clubs well before they opened. And we'd be talking to the DJs: club DJs, radio station DJs, traveling with acts type DJs, working on a few beats here and there DJs, all of those types of DJs. And what do you know...they knew about EVERY FUCKING THING musically. The labels sent them stuff and they listened to A LOT OF MUSIC. We marveled at how much music those folks had access to (not knowing that we would too a few years later). And they would be like 'man, I can't even break records unless I'm on at *insert some weird time of the day*'. And I was thinking 'how is it that even the damn DJ can't play what's jamming!? That sucks!'. And then, we'd ask them to play weird jamming shit that wasn't going to get played that night over the club speakers before doors opened. And they would. They'd damn near be 'breaking records' to us! And of course, they loved stuff that wasn't always with whatever 'format' they were stuck with at the club and/or on the radio.

Back to the radio and their stubbornness: they damn near need to have a PFunk overtake things before they're like 'oh, aight..let's get in on this'. They did it with 'neo soul' too. We were damn near at Musiq Soulchild in 2000 before it wasn't abnormal to hear the main folks from that group of acts on the radio depending on the 'format' of the station. And even then, it was still kinda weird to catch a Just Friends, Long walk or whatever.

Ruts are ruts for a reason tho. And radio has been in one basically forever. They got away with it because it was much harder to get by without them IMO. But shit..go back to the 60s. Then, cats started going out of their way to make whole jamming albums. Then, Soul Train gave more of a platform to see shit performed while at the house. Then, cable/music videos blew that wide open. Then The Box previewed today's youtube and streaming setups. Then Napster took illegal free shit from 'dub me a tape of that Sade we was listening to the other day at your house' to 'here's all of Sade's music if you have a decent internet connection and space on your 10 GB hard drive. Then CD Burners escalated THAT.

And even then, radio mfers didn't get it! And they were still trying to hold artists and labels hostage! Still!

Then streaming hit and yeah...to me, its been a wrap since then. Algorithms/play counts are the radio. Besides that, there's no central point for 'we might not have EVERYTHING that is jamming, but if it is here, it is PROBABLY jamming'.

Maybe it is because I was just the right age to be be noticing most of these things and how it helped people drift away from the radio that it feels so clear to me that the radio ain't shit, hasn't been for a long while, and its their own fault that people don't take cues from their funky asses anymore.

But there IS something to be said about how this has impacted/further segmented the music to the point where everyone is their own DJ now. And, real talk, most people are NOT qualified for that gig! So artists almost have to find 'lanes' and ride the shit out of them or risk being up a creek with people who don't have the range. It is a wild change from late 90s when rappers were trying to make 'something for everybody' albums. Now, the Griselda dudes will put out a 30-minute release with basically no basslines and a 'You don't know' yelling/singing sample on damn near every song and its totally fine because that's what people want from them.

  

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R&B Music is dead: from me to Diddy to MJB to whatever else [View all] , c71, Tue Aug-23-22 10:31 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Sound old AF talking about radio
Aug 23rd 2022
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You stepped into my OBVIOUS trap *sinister laugh*
Aug 23rd 2022
2
      It's a feeling (c) Diddy
Aug 23rd 2022
7
           There's way more than a handful of pop artists getting ATTENTION
Aug 23rd 2022
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                Now you're just being ignorant
Aug 23rd 2022
9
                     Pop isn't dead
Aug 23rd 2022
10
                          How much less attention are they getting than pop acts in the past?
Aug 23rd 2022
11
RE: R&B Music is dead: from me to Diddy to MJB to whatever else
Aug 23rd 2022
3
i mean, LOVE and POSITIVITY in R&B is dead.
Aug 23rd 2022
4
RE: i mean, LOVE and POSITIVITY in R&B is dead.
Aug 23rd 2022
5
      Again, obvious trap - *AHEM*
Aug 23rd 2022
6
           RE: Again, obvious trap - *AHEM*
Aug 24th 2022
18
The melding of Hip-Hop and R&B killed both.
Aug 24th 2022
12
I think the big difference between Hip-Hop and R&B is that R&B audiences
Aug 24th 2022
13
RE: I think the big difference between Hip-Hop and R&B is that R&B audie...
Aug 24th 2022
21
      You right
Aug 25th 2022
29
Usher going at us Gen-X-tied-to-the-radio people - vibe
Aug 24th 2022
14
Usher is an F'ing National Treasure.
Aug 24th 2022
22
'r&b aint dead. yall niggas just ugly' (c)
Aug 24th 2022
15
RE: R&B Music is dead: from me to Diddy to MJB to whatever else
Aug 24th 2022
16
that PJ Morton though
Aug 24th 2022
17
absurd. i could list 20 artists that have released albums
Aug 24th 2022
19
I gotta confess...I don't quite understand what Puff is trying to say
Aug 24th 2022
20
Puff and Tank and MJB are saying there seems to be no...
Aug 24th 2022
23
RE: Puff and Tank and MJB are saying there seems to be no...
Aug 24th 2022
26
We sort of did do it to us because radio got arrogant and didn't...
Aug 24th 2022
27
     
      The trap shit dominates because it's cheaper and easier
Aug 25th 2022
31
RE: Puff and Tank and MJB are saying there seems to be no...
Aug 25th 2022
39
RE: I gotta confess...I don't quite understand what Puff is trying to sa...
Aug 24th 2022
24
      If we're used to radio setting the mark - IG and streaming "surrounds"?
Aug 24th 2022
25
Man I was super-excited when I first heard an all hip-hop radio station
Aug 25th 2022
30
What's maddening about NYC is there's only one station
Aug 25th 2022
32
      part of it is lot of people don't listen to radio anymore more everyone....
Aug 25th 2022
34
           Yeah but look who does still listen to radio?
Aug 25th 2022
35
                true...I think its a conflict of interests because the marketing and...
Aug 25th 2022
36
Not dead, just different, and needs to step away from Hip-hop
Aug 25th 2022
33
RE: Not dead, just different, and needs to step away from Hip-hop
Aug 25th 2022
41
It's amusing to watch kids get in their feels when the elders critique.....
Aug 25th 2022
37
More amusing: watching the same kids turn 35-40
Aug 25th 2022
38
Don't this nigga own a TV network?
Aug 25th 2022
40
if R&B is dead, Diddy was the architect
Sep 09th 2022
42
Mainstream people have no loyalty. They'll change-up what they "love" .....
Sep 09th 2022
43
RE: Mainstream people have no loyalty. They'll change-up what they "love...
Sep 09th 2022
44
      Crumb
Sep 09th 2022
45
      Crumb is really dope
Sep 14th 2022
51
That’s because today’s artist can’t SANG.
Sep 10th 2022
46
talent has little to do with this.
Sep 10th 2022
47
how do you feel about the Silk Sonic album?
Sep 10th 2022
48
damn, I was almost with you until you said Frank Ocean
Sep 10th 2022
49
      Right? Lol
Sep 12th 2022
50

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