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Reeq
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Thu Jan-27-22 05:51 PM

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"A Serious Post About The 'Progressive' Approach To Politics"


  

          

long post but hopefully we can get a mature discussion on this because im genuinely seeking answers.

ok so bernie surrogate john fetterman is running for senate in my state. same style progressive as sanders. current lieutenant governor. got swept into office during the 2018 dem wave.

he lost his previous run for senate in 2016. so this is his 2nd go at it.

its prolly gonna be a tough midterm for any dem so theyre gonna have to squeeze every vote out of the big tent coalition that they can get.

hes got a glaring vulnerability with black voters. he once chased an innocent unarmed black jogger down with a shotgun and held him hostage until police showed up (he was mayor of that 60% majority black town at the time). he hasnt really offered a full throated apology. in fact...hes just reiterated his excuse that he didnt know the person was black...he never got out of his truck...he never pointed the gun directly at the jogger (the jogger disputes this)...and he never chambered a round to actually shoot the jogger (like that matters). and he essentially blames the jogger for being wrapped head to toe in clothes and a ski mask (in the dead of winter lol).

he also just blew off a forum with black clergy that other candidates attended. this was the night after mlk day btw lol.

hes running on the working class populist angle...criticizing washington dc and the establishment (despite currently holding political office)...is doing sparse campaigning in his states most populous city (philadelphia)...hasnt made many allies among the states dem party...and is shunning appearances with other dems (like biden, the governor, etc). hes betting on voters from his home base around pittsburgh putting him over the top.

big problem tho. his opponent is conor lamb...who is the current congressman for a district around pittsburgh...who is soaking up most of the traditional dem organization endorsements (unions, latino/black groups, etc)...who is endorsed by the philadelphia mayor and doing an appearance with biden soon...and who is steadily eating into fettermans polling lead.

okay.

nina turner is again running for the same congressional district where she blew a *30* point polling lead to lose in a 2021 special election. shes running the same bernie style campaign. alienating a lot of potential dem allies and the people who vote for them. shes 1-2 in elections in ohio and the only race she won she ran unopposed. but shes doing the same thing again.

assuming the goal is to assemble the biggest coalition to win an election...i dont understand this approach anymore. especially after 2020.

i just dont get running in a dem primary but acting like you dont give a shit about core dem constituencies. is adhering to a rigid/restrictive ideology more important than bringing the most voters into the fold?

i mean...even *if* you squeak by with your limited base voters in a divided primary...youre still putting a ceiling on your appeal in the general by not reaching out to the broader dem base.

why is this still a thing?


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A Serious Post About The 'Progressive' Approach To Politics [View all] , Reeq, Thu Jan-27-22 05:51 PM
 
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dont mind if i do
Jan 27th 2022
1
you kind of proved his point
Jan 27th 2022
2
Show me the law that says there can only be 2 parties
Jan 27th 2022
3
      Duverger’s Law is PoliSci 101
Jan 27th 2022
4
      Again, I fully agree with everything you are saying
Jan 28th 2022
12
           because there is none
Feb 08th 2022
38
                *nods furiously*
Feb 08th 2022
39
how do you amass political power without amassing political power?
Jan 28th 2022
5
You refer to AOC as 'my boo'
Jan 28th 2022
6
I don't under the "Dems Suck" strategy
Jan 28th 2022
7
I worked for Bernie in 2016
Feb 04th 2022
16
      in what capacity?
Feb 04th 2022
18
      Bree is insufferable
Feb 04th 2022
20
           how so? It's interesting how Black women like Briahna
Feb 04th 2022
22
From a centrist dickhead? No thanks.
Jan 28th 2022
8
lmao
Jan 28th 2022
9
Bernie is trash tho....nm
Feb 04th 2022
17
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This times a million (nm)
Jan 28th 2022
11
I'll bite
Jan 28th 2022
10
They need to get better at lying
Jan 28th 2022
13
is it more on the establishment to get their shit together tho?
Feb 03rd 2022
14
I think you nailed what dude is trying to do
Feb 04th 2022
21
      I appreciate reeq. my reply wasn't really about him
Feb 04th 2022
25
           RE: I appreciate reeq. my reply wasn't really about him
Feb 05th 2022
27
The whole progressive movement is a scam
Feb 04th 2022
15
Dems control everything and progressives are the scam?
Feb 04th 2022
23
"Scam" would seem to imply people are making money
Feb 04th 2022
24
moderates are expected to win with the money they raise tho.
Feb 04th 2022
26
      nina turner grifter ?
Feb 05th 2022
30
      This is *very* telling:
Feb 05th 2022
31
      Ok. and what are their large $$ Donors expecting them to
Feb 05th 2022
32
      lol, is this real?
Feb 06th 2022
33
wrong. the 'moderate' movement is the real scam
Feb 08th 2022
37
This had potential - but your approach is disingenuous
Feb 04th 2022
19
It becomes dangerous when they veer into foreign policy too
Feb 05th 2022
28
cosplay opposition.
Feb 05th 2022
29
Yep. Somehow they’re experts on every story too
Feb 07th 2022
34
Not a fan of Ana,Kyle,Jacobin,or Putin, but what exactly is the problem
Feb 07th 2022
35
      Because our other adversaries are watching. Very Closely
Feb 08th 2022
40
pessimistic about Nina round 2, I think Fetterman wins in PA
Feb 08th 2022
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