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Dr Claw
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19. "Black voters exist, but 'the black vote' doesn't"
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Wed Sep-16-20 08:20 PM by Dr Claw

  

          

>Bernie was comfortable around black people (potentially
>debatable) but homie wasn't all up in the church shucking and
>jiving with auntie and grandma to get that black vote.

and honestly, the "all up in the church shucking and jiving" didn't work with Andrew Yang (who actually did do that).

Biden didn't do shit but say, "I'm Obama's best friend" more or less before the pandemic hit and Trump (expectedly) tanked it.

Kamala had laughably low support in polls among black voters, but here she is.

The United States has a "white voter" problem.
In the Southern states, usually a non-factor in the electoral college-hacked general election map, the decision of who to back (especially in a fucked up election like this) is heavily predicated on what white voters (in a handful of states) will do. Black voters (self included) KNOW what white voters will do if you let them, even more than the Democratic Party appears to do. Thus, someone like Bernie Sanders, who campaigns in a similar vein as Obama '08, at an even more dire time, is seen as too risky. Obama himself was thought to be a long shot and very risky for many of these same voters, UNTIL Iowa went heavily for Obama. The general public has mostly memory-holed this fact, but I think people in the Democratic Party brass, who wanted anyone but a serious left-leaning populist, did not. I'll come back to that.

It also has a "Black respectability politics elite" problem. Jim Clyburn has that decorative title in the House of Representatives, but tells people that things "aren't free". John Lewis (RIP) did the same. At a time when Black people are at their most vulnerable and MURRICA is MURRICA-ing at their most MURRICA in centuries. Clyburn is seen as a "kingmaker" in this regard largely because of the role he played in reassuring black voters (the majority of South Carolina Democratic voters) in 2008 that Obama was a safe bet. In real time, that looked like a bold move, bucking the Clintonites, who (unfortunately) to this day, have a stranglehold on the upper rung of the party.

In retrospect, when you look at the combination of voters in the early primaries (in particular, the Iowa caucus) going with Obama, and then Clyburn backing him in South Carolina, it looks less to me like a coincidence, when you look at those same two states in 2020.

In 2020, Bernie won (in delegates) Iowa. But that's not what the corporate media reported. A wholly unnecessary counting app, developed only to make some money from some contractors in the state party, spiked the ball in behalf of Buttigieg. Biden, the Centrist choice TANKED that state, and several others before South Carolina came along. All the while, people (including those on this very site) were whining about how "these white states shouldn't go first", and instead of suggesting that everyone go at the same time, they suggest putting states that (under current electoral college paradigm) mean absolute jack shit in the general election for a Democrat, should be given precedence, ostensibly because most of the voters in those states are Black (so they say).

Bullshit. Knowing that many black voters in those states, who tend to vote Democratic, will hedge toward the centrist candidate thinking that's what white people in "swing" states will do, centrist candidates use those states as a firewall, while offering nothing in return.

It would have been nice to see Bernie upend that bullshit, but out of all the candidates IMO, he had /the most/ outreach with working class Black people in the swing states. Latinos in many states also.



In 2016, in the states that REALLY matter (under the electoral college), Black votes DROPPED precipitously. Having even a fraction of the 2012 votes in Wisconsin would have blocked Trump. In Pennsylvania and Michigan as well.

This is going to be the song and dance until Black people are free from the prison of what "white voters in swing states will do". All of us are in a similar prison during the pandemic. Unable to do shit because of what (a larger number) of white people are doing, never mind the elected officials and the ruling class ghouls who enrich them.

2008 was an exception on paper. Especially compared to hawkish Hillary, Obama looked very much the progressive. He was rewarded for his campaigning with votes. But the people mostly got symbolism, rather than tough, partisan governing we'd expect from a Democrat in charge.

I don't think we will know what would have happened in a non-COVID situation.

I know for certain that the chances of Trump being reelected would have been higher in a non-COVID scenario. And the "Third Way" so-called "liberal" Democrats, with their continual privileging of a thimble full of white Republican-to-Democrat voters instead of rallying their base to action and adding to those numbers.... are committed to losing.

TL/DR:

Bernie was fine with black voters, just not enough to get over the firewall centrist Democrats use to justify their taking Black voters for granted.

Y'all can blah blah blah about the primary turnout. COVID. Trump. White panic. I'm right. Y'all are wrong. Y'all know it, too.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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Did y’all see the wealth transfer numbers from 1975 to 2020? (*swipe*) [View all] , MEAT, Wed Sep-16-20 01:27 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Bernie's been telling you this... but you scoffed at him..
Sep 16th 2020
1
Yes, everyone's a crook except Bernie
Sep 16th 2020
2
any thoughts on the actual article?
Sep 16th 2020
3
      Nope, only thing I know is that BOTH are equally crooked
Sep 16th 2020
10
           you're more invested in the mythology of bernie than actual supporters
Sep 16th 2020
11
                well said.
Sep 18th 2020
38
I went to his webpage, he didn't
Sep 16th 2020
4
Doesn’t matter. Americans don’t want to admit
Sep 16th 2020
5
they seem to love it.. they even want it to happen to their kids...
Sep 16th 2020
7
      Who is "they" white man? Be specific
Sep 16th 2020
9
How would transfering money from the wealthy to the state address the
Sep 16th 2020
6
^^^This is the problem
Sep 16th 2020
14
      And I LIKE Bernie, there’s a few pauses for me, but I like the dude
Sep 16th 2020
15
Bernie: What black voters?!
Sep 16th 2020
13
      You touched on some of these points
Sep 17th 2020
23
           great piece.
Sep 17th 2020
24
                RE: great piece.
Sep 17th 2020
25
                You are a white Canadian man that doesn't stop shitting on the first Bla...
Sep 17th 2020
26
                     Justice is justice everywhere and facts are facts everywhere
Sep 17th 2020
29
                          You're a fucking racist piece of shit.
Sep 17th 2020
30
                               you're doing a lil too much here.
Sep 17th 2020
32
                                    Were you around during the primaries?
Sep 17th 2020
33
                                    Ahh so theres history here.
Sep 18th 2020
41
                                         Obama is a former president and has a professional life
Sep 18th 2020
43
                                    Another Canadian ^^
Sep 18th 2020
34
                                         The white vote hasn't gone for the Democratic Party since the Civil Righ...
Sep 18th 2020
35
                                         RE: The white vote hasn't gone for the Democratic Party since the Civil ...
Sep 18th 2020
36
                                              I'm not reading another word you type that's not about white supremacy
Sep 18th 2020
37
                                                   Good talk
Sep 18th 2020
39
                                         you only appear to make half baked posts.
Sep 18th 2020
40
                y'all will notice that they always have a black guy to blame
Sep 17th 2020
28
who scoffed at him?
Sep 17th 2020
22
      those fucking people, like who?
Sep 18th 2020
42
I read something similar about the same stats
Sep 16th 2020
8
Thanks Ronald!!!
Sep 16th 2020
12
I keep a reminder hanging my living room.
Sep 16th 2020
16
Oh damn. That's dope. I may get one myself.
Sep 16th 2020
18
      Same nm RE: Oh damn. That's dope. I may get one myself.
Sep 17th 2020
21
Caping for capitalism
Sep 16th 2020
17
A loud 'God Damn Reagan'....
Sep 16th 2020
20
guillotine.
Sep 17th 2020
27
there are too many stupid hateful suckers not even trying to see this
Sep 17th 2020
31

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