Printer-friendly copy Email this topic to a friend
Lobby General Discussion topic #13401475

Subject: "I think reacting this way towards people that feel that is a mistake." Previous topic | Next topic
kfine
Member since Jan 11th 2009
1671 posts
Thu Sep-03-20 11:00 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
168. "I think reacting this way towards people that feel that is a mistake."
In response to In response to 165


          


Most voters I know (men and women, black, under 50, progressive) have expressed feelings similar to what afrogirl_lost has said here.

It's very real and should be engaged not dismissed, imho.

I mean, the ticket's comprised of 2 Dem primary candidates who had quite possibly the most problematic records of the entire field with respect to criminal justice (i.e. problematic legislation, problematic policies, wrongful convictions, carceral attitudes and statements etc). Way worse than Hilary. And legacy Dems seem entirely uninterested, or possibly even unaware, of how much of a demotivating factor that is. Especially in the midst of mass demonstrations about racist policing and criminal justice reform. It just ends up painting the little effort they're making as fake/unserious. Look/listen to this interview NPR did with unenthusiastic Dems, for example:


https://www.npr.org/2020/09/02/908874041/voters-of-color-on-settling-for-biden


Voters Of Color On Settling For Biden
September 2, 20203:58 PM ET
Heard on All Things Considered


NPR's Mary Louise Kelly speaks with voters of color of different ages who are not at all enthusiastic about voting for Biden, though they might do so.

MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:

There's a difference between having some idea how you might vote come November and being remotely excited about it. We're going to hear now from three voters who are considering or are committed to backing Joe Biden. They are different ages in different parts of the country, all voters of color. Let me let you meet them and hear them answer this question. On a scale of one to 10, how enthusiastic are you about Biden? First, Pastor Carl Day.

CARL DAY: OK. I'm 35, Philadelphia, African American male. And honestly speaking, I'm leaning a bit more undecided at this point. So I'm probably at about two or three as far as...

KELLY: Two or three.

DAY: ...Enthusiastic - yeah, as far as being enthusiastic about voting for Biden.

KELLY: You'll hear a similar level of excitement - or lack thereof - from Parul Kumar.

PARUL KUMAR: I'm 20 years old. I'm a student at the University of Chicago. I am Indian. I'm a woman. And I would agree with being a little bit more undecided as opposed to fully backing Biden. And so I'm on the lower end of the spectrum, so about, you know, one, two, a three on a good day.

KELLY: Wow. OK. And Adrienne Smith Walker, how about you?

ADRIENNE SMITH WALKER: Hi. So I'm a Gen X Black woman in her 40s. We're talking about enthusiasm. I'm probably at a zero. But, you know, I'm a realist, so I will definitely be voting for Biden.

KELLY: Definitely be voting for Biden but a zero on the enthusiasm scale - which prompted me to ask Adrienne Smith Walker, has it crossed your mind just to sit this election out?

SMITH WALKER: No, it never has. I mean, I've been voting for the Democratic Party since the '90s. And I also - can I just add that I think that whoever is advising Biden, they're leading him astray. I mean, just look at how he's handling what's going on right now in the streets of - you know, all this racial injustice that's going on. And he's handling it in a way, I feel, to appease the nervous moderates. And he's not really listening to his base or the activists on the ground.

KELLY: You would like to see him take a more assertive stance in support of protesters and Black Lives Matter?

SMITH WALKER: Yes.

KELLY: I'm curious whether another event of recent weeks is influencing any of your thinking. And I'll throw this out there, and whoever wants to jump on it just say your name and jump. Does Biden's decision to pick a woman of color and make Kamala Harris his running mate - does that play into your thinking? Does that influence your enthusiasm or your commitment to this ticket in any way?

KUMAR: This is Parul. I think that with everything that's going on, I don't think that representational politics is enough, meaning when you look at Kamala Harris' specific history as a prosecutor, it feels very surface level.

KELLY: Pastor Day, do you want to jump in there?

DAY: Yes. I will say this. As a Black man in America who is very, very entrenched with the Black community obviously, especially here in Philadelphia, I'll say that, you know, it definitely looks like pandering as usual. You know, let's do the polar opposite of Donald Trump but still let's pander to the Black community. I mean, we saw that a lot with Hillary Clinton when she was campaigning, you know, popping up in barbershops and local church - Black churches talking about hot sauce. And Kamala Harris was doing a lot of the same pandering herself as she was trying to win the presidency candidate position. And, you know, taking her on after she pretty much implied that Biden was a racist - you know, he attacked her for over-criminalizing Black people. To me, this entire campaign literally just reeks, you know, how can we best, you know, rock the Black vote to sleep?

KELLY: We moved on to talk about other issues on their minds - the environment, health care, the economy. As it became clear how deeply unenthusiastic both Parul Kumar and Carl Day are about the Biden-Harris ticket, Adrienne Smith Walker jumped in with questions of her own.

SMITH WALKER: Can I just ask? Are we saying we're not going to vote, though, for Biden? Is that what you two are saying?

KUMAR: Ultimately, I'm still on the fence about whether or not I will be voting for Biden. I'm actually quite concerned about the rhetoric of settling and, like, the question of whether people are going to vote for Biden yes or no as opposed to demanding more from him.

KELLY: You're hitting on something interesting, which is there's so much complexity to this. I would love to hear an answer to the question that Adrienne put to you, Carl. Are you planning to vote? Will you vote Biden?

DAY: I will certainly be in prayer. I will say I do plan to vote. I'm not sure where - who I'm voting for. I'm being honest.

SMITH WALKER: Can I follow up with that, too? So when you're saying you don't know who you're going to vote for, is the choice between Trump and Biden?

DAY: Well, I mean, there's a third candidate there too, you know? Honestly, you know, me - I would feel better not voting if I really felt in my deepest conviction that I just can't say yes to Biden and Harris. You know, Trump, honestly speaking, you know, again, shows me too much of, you know, him not really caring for anybody. But again, my option would pretty much come down to, do I choose them or do I not choose at all this time around and just continuously keep being that beacon of light in my community and holding my local politicians accountable and working with them and going to work with them in my city and others?

KELLY: It's fascinating. And I would love just a short closing thought from each of you because one common thread that I hear emerging - please correct me if I'm wrong, but - is this feeling that no matter what happens, no matter what you do, no matter what the outcome on November 3, you don't feel like it's going to change enough? Adrienne Smith Walker.

SMITH WALKER: I think it's crucial for us to vote, especially if we're in a battleground state - Pennsylvania - that we vote for Biden. And I honestly believe that if Trump wins, our democracy will fail. Fascism will be the way of life. And you can just take what's happening right now with COVID-19. I am not enthusiastic about Biden. I get it. I understand all his flaws. But I think right now it's crucial that we remove the man in the White House right now.

KELLY: Pastor Day.

DAY: I would say I've heard that same thing. I heard that through Bush. You know, after Sept. 11, we had to get him out of here. You know, this guy's no good. And, you know, Kerry lost. We survived. I was told change was going to come through the Obama administration first four years. You know, and I voted Obama, too. I've been voting Democrat too the majority my life. So here I am, and I've been hearing how important this day is for the last four years - after four years, after four years. So where I'm at, you know, I hear that. And again, I totally don't respect the guy who's currently in office. But at the same time, I can't feel 100% or even 30% saying that these people are going to actually invoke any kind of change to the people who are around me and the people I serve the most right now.

KELLY: And Parul Kumar, you get the last word.

KUMAR: Well, I think that the problems that we're dealing with now aren't just a result of Trump, meaning these are problems that have been here for a while no matter who is president. So I don't have any hope for Joe Biden to make lives better for people. Kind of the biggest takeaway from this election is that maybe we shouldn't put this much hope into politicians who've failed people over and over again. And maybe we should go to the streets. Maybe we should open our wallets. And maybe we should do the work to help people directly because that's kind of been the thing that's been getting people through. And it's never been politicians. It's been the people who've been doing the work - primarily, you know, Black, queer activists - Black, young, queer activists.

KELLY: So much food for thought there - thank you very much to all three of you.

SMITH WALKER: Thank you.

KUMAR: Thank you.

DAY: Thank you, ladies.

KELLY: That is Parul Kumar in Chicago, Adrienne Smith Walker in Atlanta and Pastor Carl Day talking with us from Philadelphia.



  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote


Are these “riots” going to cost us the election? [View all] , legsdiamond, Fri Aug-28-20 08:16 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
that's the plan I'm sure.......
Aug 28th 2020
1
agreed
Aug 28th 2020
11
Trump has a pretty-good excuse for why this isn't his fault...
Aug 28th 2020
2
Especially the cities.
Aug 29th 2020
98
1. The police are the rioters
Aug 28th 2020
3
I've been saying this a lot the last few weeks.
Aug 28th 2020
15
sometimes there are business owners who... own that property
Aug 28th 2020
28
      that's what insurance is for.
Aug 28th 2020
41
      This sentiment builds coalitions
Aug 28th 2020
58
      i said what i said.
Aug 28th 2020
69
      I agree with you. My only fear, from experience in the insurance industr...
Aug 28th 2020
71
      i don't fear that because its capitalism
Aug 29th 2020
94
           Yea I'm with that - we essentially need to destroy capitalism, and rebui...
Aug 29th 2020
103
                absolutely. everyone will lose something..there's no escaping that
Aug 30th 2020
104
                     No question. Agree with every word.
Aug 30th 2020
109
      insurance doesn't cover businesses that are uninsured
Sep 03rd 2020
169
      Race check. How many black grandparents you got.
Aug 28th 2020
63
           What ?
Aug 28th 2020
83
                You ain’t know
Sep 08th 2020
205
It's the only thing keeping Trump alive at the moment
Aug 28th 2020
4
it gives media an issue to push the horserace they been starving for.
Aug 28th 2020
5
The lack of a second stimulus should be the real story right now
Aug 28th 2020
7
      as well as the destruction of the post office during a pandemic.
Aug 28th 2020
9
           People don't get off the couch to vote for the post office
Aug 28th 2020
10
                people have never had the post office intentionally sabotaged
Aug 28th 2020
17
Who knows - swing states are filled with mindless gooberts
Aug 28th 2020
6
Yeah... the more destruction and chaos they see
Aug 28th 2020
8
      Yup. Trump "rescued" the Republican party with this
Aug 28th 2020
12
           White men.. and their wives.. and kids
Aug 28th 2020
13
           youre forgetting the intentional massive voter suppression
Aug 28th 2020
19
                YEP YEP YEP YEP YEP YEP
Aug 28th 2020
20
                I'm talking about the RNC autopsy
Aug 28th 2020
27
                     the rnc hired a black chairman (steele) and fired him
Aug 28th 2020
30
                          Autopsy was 2013
Aug 28th 2020
33
                               my bad i meant post 2012.
Aug 28th 2020
37
It’s definitely not helping
Aug 28th 2020
14
btw it says a lot about our country that virtually nobody is predicting
Aug 28th 2020
16
berating people to stand with you
Aug 28th 2020
18
im not completely convinced all of these folks are authentic.
Aug 28th 2020
21
I'm not ruling out that some of them are agitators
Aug 28th 2020
25
does the media ever interview these 'protestors'?
Aug 28th 2020
32
      Good point
Aug 28th 2020
57
i've seen them live and in person
Aug 28th 2020
35
      trash as in fake?
Aug 28th 2020
38
           yeah like weird
Aug 28th 2020
39
                how/where are these things even organized?
Aug 28th 2020
42
                     idk
Aug 28th 2020
43
                          ah thanks for the details.
Aug 28th 2020
45
That’s why riots is in parentheses
Aug 28th 2020
31
      exactly
Aug 28th 2020
36
      Without a doubt
Aug 28th 2020
56
I worry it could
Aug 28th 2020
22
also its kinda weird that biden is being made to answer
Aug 28th 2020
23
Fucking Bizarro world
Aug 28th 2020
24
thats not wrong and oversimplifying. thats the republican coalition.
Aug 28th 2020
34
Yep :(
Aug 28th 2020
26
It's quite possible.
Aug 28th 2020
29
fam i dont even feel comfortable with 6 with the amount of cheating
Aug 28th 2020
40
a bit of good news i guess: night 4 ratings worse than night 3
Aug 28th 2020
44
I sure hope not...
Aug 28th 2020
46
Us
Aug 28th 2020
47
Yes.. as in the people voting for the Dem candidate in the election.
Aug 28th 2020
48
      as in the majority of america really.
Aug 28th 2020
49
      Lol this country is finished
Aug 29th 2020
93
           Yup.
Sep 07th 2020
190
i think it's going to have minimal to zero effect on the election itself...
Aug 28th 2020
50
RE: i think it's going to have minimal to zero effect on the election it...
Aug 28th 2020
51
and you just brought up why i think it may help...
Aug 28th 2020
52
damn Im just now seeing your post. Great minds.
Aug 28th 2020
64
Rand Paul getting run up on is not good
Aug 28th 2020
53
Yeah and the mob confirms their worst fears
Aug 28th 2020
54
I watched that video thinking homie got yammed up. Anti climatic
Aug 28th 2020
65
and he saying he would have been killed had the police not been there
Aug 28th 2020
68
I get what you're saying, but fuck Rand Paul.
Aug 28th 2020
72
RE: Rand Paul getting run up on is not good
Aug 29th 2020
97
it's a lifeline to Trump for sure
Aug 28th 2020
55
is it though
Aug 28th 2020
76
https://twitter.com/kunklefredrick/status/1298344285079838720?s=21
Aug 28th 2020
59
yeah that's the one i was thinking of
Aug 28th 2020
61
you know the rnc was a flop when trump has to bring back the hits.
Aug 28th 2020
60
definitely playing it up...
Aug 28th 2020
62
Lines were drawn long before the protest
Aug 28th 2020
66
we had an election on these issues.
Aug 28th 2020
67
this isn't fucking true and people should stop saying it
Aug 28th 2020
77
imagine your *entire* political sense of reality is still based on polls
Aug 28th 2020
81
*shrug* meanwhile we're in the panic room every few days
Aug 28th 2020
85
      I guess this is what you're telling yourself
Aug 29th 2020
88
They’ve said it enough times in their heads
Aug 28th 2020
82
No no no baby you cant talk anymore till you tell us the truth.
Aug 28th 2020
86
      I need to be black to speak on healthcare? lmao
Aug 29th 2020
90
           *updates database*
Aug 29th 2020
91
I know attacking people instead of their arguments is your mo
Aug 28th 2020
84
      I didn't attack you at all.
Aug 29th 2020
87
           bet
Aug 29th 2020
92
                sweet. so let's start with UBI
Aug 29th 2020
100
                Whats your argument, that UBI is far fetched or that people wont support...
Aug 30th 2020
107
                     where did I say either of those things.
Aug 30th 2020
119
                     weird how Brotha Sun can't answer this question
Sep 07th 2020
200
                     I hate that people like you claim to be progressives
Aug 30th 2020
123
                          You couldn't last 30 seconds without going straight ad hominem. lol
Aug 31st 2020
127
                               ...you committed an ad hominem in the quote
Sep 07th 2020
198
                M4A look at the actual poll
Aug 29th 2020
101
                i posted a poll on here where details of m4a are gradually revealed
Aug 30th 2020
105
                You are comparing SURVEY TAKERS to VOTERS
Aug 30th 2020
106
                     Oh come on. People aren't voting on policies, theyre voting on names
Aug 30th 2020
108
                          Man you are fucking condescending
Aug 30th 2020
110
                               The contempt is very much warranted.
Aug 30th 2020
112
                                    You make me feel like I'm Mr.T
Aug 30th 2020
116
                                         am i now your enemy because i tell you the truth?
Aug 31st 2020
128
                                              You are simply a loud fool
Sep 01st 2020
131
                                                   :( dont quit on me. i didnt even get on my dr yakub soapbox yet.
Sep 01st 2020
135
bruh talking with liberals about actual political goals/policy
Sep 07th 2020
191
      you see it
Sep 07th 2020
194
           so what makes you not a liberal btw
Sep 07th 2020
199
biden is up over 9 pts on 538 again.
Aug 28th 2020
70
Like mista 5k said to you in another post, stop ...
Aug 28th 2020
73
i think people are doing a lot of cherrypicking right now.
Aug 28th 2020
74
      Yea I don't doubt any of that at all.
Aug 28th 2020
80
commentators say "it's a lifeline" because they have to say something
Aug 28th 2020
78
      so much political news coverage now is pundits guessing
Aug 28th 2020
79
           the way pundits talk about politics is so removed from anyone's reality
Aug 29th 2020
89
I wish it were a little harder for right wing talking points
Aug 28th 2020
75
bruh
Aug 29th 2020
95
      they just accept whatever they hear on the news, it's actually insane
Aug 29th 2020
102
No. Not if people just show the fuck up and vote.
Aug 29th 2020
96
Yes. VOTE. They better leave USPS alone
Aug 29th 2020
99
No
Aug 30th 2020
111
abc/ipsos polled the impact of the conventions:
Aug 30th 2020
113
btw all this talk about tightening...bidens lead on 538 is still 8.8.
Aug 30th 2020
114
      I'm a believer in the existence of the Shy Trump voter.
Aug 30th 2020
115
           the hidden trump vote is a dispelled myth.
Aug 30th 2020
117
           I hope you're right.
Aug 31st 2020
126
           who is this person who votes for trump
Aug 30th 2020
120
           a lot of these polls are online responses too.
Aug 30th 2020
122
                RE: a lot of these polls are online responses too.
Aug 31st 2020
124
           The “I haven’t decided yet” voter
Aug 31st 2020
125
                I'm not saying they all have flags, but they don't need flags
Sep 01st 2020
130
btw maybe the worst addition to mainstream political discussion
Aug 30th 2020
118
"the vegas line isxyz" is the dumbest shit even in sports broadcasting
Aug 30th 2020
121
biden raises over $350 mil in august (prez monthly record).
Sep 01st 2020
129
btw the previous record is $193 mil by obama in sep 2008.
Sep 01st 2020
134
Damn...
Sep 01st 2020
139
biden campaign officially reports $364.5 mil fundraising haul.
Sep 02nd 2020
143
Not a single post about Reichstag Fire (Decree)?
Sep 01st 2020
132
weimar/nazi germany rally provocations is prolly more accurate.
Sep 01st 2020
133
Did you miss the “Antifa” News today?
Sep 01st 2020
136
      no.
Sep 01st 2020
137
      I guess I did ?
Sep 01st 2020
138
           RE: I guess I did ?
Sep 01st 2020
140
omg i've seen that building
Sep 01st 2020
141
      I have been inside it too!
Sep 02nd 2020
160
I just requested my mail in ballot...
Sep 02nd 2020
142
i will be doing early voting
Sep 02nd 2020
144
Hell no, I’m voting in person. Can’t trust it in NC
Sep 02nd 2020
145
what about the board of elections office?
Sep 02nd 2020
148
      Ahh, I thought you changed residency already.
Sep 02nd 2020
161
I voted absentee for the primary but I'm going to go in in Nov.
Sep 02nd 2020
146
I ordered one too, as did my wife, but ...
Sep 02nd 2020
147
nope
Sep 02nd 2020
149
nancy pelosi just handed trump a campaign gift (c) chris cillizza (cnn)
Sep 02nd 2020
150
It’s Chris Clizza man.
Sep 02nd 2020
151
The New Tan Suit
Sep 02nd 2020
152
case in point for how sexist the good ole boy dc press is.
Sep 02nd 2020
153
      Sickening.
Sep 02nd 2020
155
RE: nancy pelosi just handed trump a campaign gift (c) chris cillizza (c...
Sep 02nd 2020
158
Wow...so it's the protests and not the Dems
Sep 02nd 2020
154
Umm.. okay
Sep 03rd 2020
165
     
           Biden's in a catch-22 no?
Sep 03rd 2020
170
           Thanks for saying that
Sep 03rd 2020
175
so a ton a reputable polls dropped today.
Sep 02nd 2020
156
Question: What is the advantage in painting this election as anything
Sep 03rd 2020
167
I agree- seems very echo chamber ish
Sep 03rd 2020
172
question: what's this weirdo shit you're doing?
Sep 03rd 2020
176
huh? What are you talking about?
Sep 03rd 2020
178
      except your post isn't about his post with the polls
Sep 03rd 2020
179
im not sure you understand what an echo chamber actually is.
Sep 03rd 2020
182
the question in the op was about the riots influencing the election.
Sep 03rd 2020
181
btw emerson was absolute dogshit in the primaries
Sep 03rd 2020
183
      umm
Sep 04th 2020
184
? The PA and NC polls do not make me feel good at all
Sep 03rd 2020
171
cdc sends states notice to prepare for vaccine rollout by early nov.
Sep 02nd 2020
157
I work at a hospital - we expected this in October
Sep 03rd 2020
166
as with all things in trumpland
Sep 03rd 2020
177
      I do think a vaccine will be released to hospital workers before the ele...
Sep 03rd 2020
180
           yup.
Sep 05th 2020
186
mmmmmmyeah
Sep 03rd 2020
173
trump encourages his voters to illegally vote twice.
Sep 02nd 2020
159
oh so the group
Sep 03rd 2020
162
Not sure what you mean by this.. his base is trash
Sep 03rd 2020
163
      didn't want to make another post
Sep 03rd 2020
164
Arnold Offers to Pay to Reopen Closed Polling Places Across the South
Sep 03rd 2020
174
Changing my vote to yes.
Sep 04th 2020
185
the thing that worries me
Sep 05th 2020
187
Can't Really Push the Lawlessness Angle When
Sep 06th 2020
188
y'all some weirdos.
Sep 07th 2020
189
Lmao.. is this a yes or no?
Sep 07th 2020
192
      It's a "this is a dumb ass question"
Sep 07th 2020
193
           Remember all the BLM protest and rallies after the election in 2016?
Sep 07th 2020
195
                Uh, i remember all of them, and they kinda led to these riots, partially
Sep 07th 2020
196
                     I know what led to these protest
Sep 07th 2020
197
                          No. Matter of fact, as the evictions & poverty rise
Sep 08th 2020
201
                               Which leads to another fear of mine
Sep 08th 2020
202
                                    so you just gonna ben shapiro from topic to topic? Cool
Sep 08th 2020
203
                                    If they gotta, after 2000 Gore, and 2016 Hillary, they just gotta
Sep 08th 2020
204

Lobby General Discussion topic #13401475 Previous topic | Next topic
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.25
Copyright © DCScripts.com