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Atillah Moor
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87. "it does if the context of the times is factored in"
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Mon Apr-01-19 02:56 PM by Atillah Moor

  

          

Regarding the persona of the individual like you mentioned earlier it's a faith issue. Personally I wouldn't rely on Europe's or any other non African culture to give an accurate account of the life and times of a Northeast African man. Maybe if Alex Haley had written about them but I digress.

>So if he was anti-religion, that's an awfully contradictory
>position for him to have held.
>
>That said, the actual existence of this person is not settled
>history, and the supernatural claims have no good supporting
>evidence.

If that's what you choose to believe that's cool. Cesars and plenty of 1st century scholars did believe in the existence of this person and have written about as much so how one reconciles that is up to them and not really what we were discussing.

>To that end, what is the relevance of the question of whether
>he is anti-religious?

The relevance is that it's a moot point to discuss if one does not believe in unseen intelligences greater than our own. That and what we call religion is mostly (not entirely) the illusion of action in the first place

>>At least one biblical book and the epic of Gilgamesh as well
>>claim the world when Noah lived was one of creation run amok
>>in the form of chimeras (mixed creatures eg the minotaur,
>>satyr, sphinx, etc.)
>>
>>The person we call Jesus is quoted as saying "in the Days
>Noah
>>so shall it be at the coming of the son of man"
>>
>>We have the scientific ability to do exactly what is
>described
>>as having happened in Noah's time by beings greater than
>>ourselves and have done so
>>
>>Is this just a really good guess based on the scientific
>>progress of 70AD?
>
In 70AD the book of Enoch and specifically the book of Giants (both found in the dead sea scrolls along with the more known books) and which also mentions Gilgamesh by name (who was considered a giant even in the Mesopotamian epic) -- these books would have been a part of what was studied concerning the teachings of who we call Jesus.

Most scholars agree on this if not entirely IINM.

Here is what's written in the dead sea scrolls

third fragment - 1Q23 Frag. 1 + 6

2 donkeys, two hundred asses, two hundred . . . rams of the] 3 flock, two hundred goats, two hundred 4 field from every animal, from every 5 for miscegenation

The fourth fragment - 4Q531 Frag. 2
they defiled 2 giants and monsters 3 they begot, and, behold, all 4 with its blood and by the hand of 5 which did not suffice for them and 6 and they were seeking to devour many 7 8 the monsters attacked it.

This is the time of who we call Noah and these scrolls are attributed to that time as he is mentioned in these writings as well as the writing themselves being attributed to one in his line

So when Jesus says "in the days of Noah" it is a reference to these writings which were found with those that have been incorporated into what we call the bible. Writings anyone called "rabbi" would have been more than familiar with in 33AD

There has been no other time in human history where science can and has created interspecies miscegenated life. It can not be said that there have been other times with the exception of our world of today and the time referenced in these writings regardless of it being fiction or non.

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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I "witnessed" to a witnessing christian yesterday. [View all] , Cold Truth, Thu Mar-28-19 12:48 PM
 
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Good Lord you sound like a shitty Atheist
Mar 28th 2019
1
How about the begging theist who wasn't about that life when he didn't g...
Mar 28th 2019
2
      First off it didn’t sound like he was begging.
Mar 28th 2019
12
           Lmao. Your deliberate mischaracterization is adorable. Truly.
Mar 28th 2019
14
                But that's the thing...he wasn't proselytizing you
Mar 28th 2019
17
                Right? He asked, CT said no, he respected it and bounced
Mar 28th 2019
22
                How can you entertain what I didn't put in the story?
Mar 28th 2019
32
                He came across like someone panhandling under the guise of ministry
Mar 28th 2019
26
                I never said it was malicious or an attack
Mar 28th 2019
20
                     Oh you're certainly implying it
Mar 28th 2019
27
                          Nah. I’m bothered by people who ask for money
Mar 28th 2019
28
You were looking for a fight. He wasn't.
Mar 28th 2019
3
Lmao to the contrary. He was looking for money and nothing else
Mar 28th 2019
5
      Each one of his responses seems like he's trying to get away from you lo...
Mar 28th 2019
7
           Calling it a "fight" is hyperbole. It was nothing remotely close to that...
Mar 28th 2019
18
                Man...we can only interpret what you wrote lol
Mar 28th 2019
19
                     You absolutely fill in blanks
Mar 28th 2019
33
Sounds like money was what the ministry was about
Mar 28th 2019
4
I don't think that's the case. He just wasn't doing it well.
Mar 28th 2019
6
      IDK if you take the money out of the equation he'd likely not engage
Mar 29th 2019
44
           That's a big assumption.
Mar 29th 2019
49
                No assumptions. If boiled down sounds like 2 men wanting to connect
Mar 29th 2019
60
Why not end it here?
Mar 28th 2019
8
Because I'm a humanist, and he's human.
Mar 28th 2019
11
      But to what end?
Mar 28th 2019
23
      Good question.
Mar 28th 2019
29
      How can I entertain what you didn’t put in the story?
Mar 28th 2019
24
           Everyone fills in the blanks to a degree.
Mar 28th 2019
31
                Sure, if you say do it must be true
Mar 28th 2019
34
                     It's not true because I say it. I say it becasue it's true
Mar 28th 2019
35
                          Sure thing Yoda
Mar 28th 2019
38
                               Wrong, you are. Accept, you should.
Mar 28th 2019
39
He told you what it was when he approached you.
Mar 28th 2019
9
Except he didn't follow through on what he said.
Mar 28th 2019
13
BABAL? I love you man... lol
Mar 28th 2019
16
That’s how his words sound to me. Babble is too Gud for him
Mar 28th 2019
21
      What's wrong with railing against religion?
Mar 28th 2019
30
           You made it about religion. He was talking funds for addiction support.
Mar 28th 2019
36
                No, you just choose to ignore the ministry aspect.
Mar 28th 2019
37
                     No, you thought you had a quick game and toy to play with
Mar 28th 2019
40
                          First, there's no such thing as a "formidable" Christian apologist.
Mar 28th 2019
41
                               There are many"formidable" Christian apologist.
Mar 29th 2019
46
                               There are exactly zero. None. Nada.
Mar 29th 2019
48
                                    He are 10 Great and Formidable Christian Apologist
Mar 29th 2019
51
                                         Awe...you genuinely don't get it 🙁
Mar 29th 2019
55
                                              You're truly a wounded hero in your own mind.
Mar 29th 2019
57
                                                   Showing your true colors as always : )
Mar 29th 2019
59
                                                        NO, I'm calling you out strait up for you cowardly actions
Mar 29th 2019
65
                                                             ....except that's not what you actually said.
Mar 29th 2019
67
                                                                  Keep playing slow.
Mar 30th 2019
72
                               Two questions. Wasn't the person we call Jesus anti religion?
Mar 29th 2019
62
                                    Can you clarify question 2?
Mar 29th 2019
64
                                         I define religion as the man made set of guidelines to worship a deity
Apr 01st 2019
80
                                              That passage doesn't reference any of that.
Apr 01st 2019
83
                                                  
Honestly, this made me lol
Mar 28th 2019
25
That was nice. I bet he thought about what you said
Mar 28th 2019
10
Ten bucks says you're correct
Mar 28th 2019
15
You Seemed Eager To Preach To Him Instead Of Keep It Movin'
Mar 28th 2019
42
Lmao you basically wrote a fan fiction
Mar 28th 2019
43
^^ Kind of reads this way
Mar 29th 2019
45
ALL FACTS
Mar 29th 2019
52
      Your sig proves you don't know what a fact is.
Mar 29th 2019
53
           You lack the courage to have faith
Mar 29th 2019
54
                Faith requires gullibility, ignorance, fear, subordination , pride, arro...
Mar 29th 2019
56
                     No, this is how I know that you're a coward
Mar 29th 2019
58
                          Right on cue with an equivocation fallacy
Mar 29th 2019
61
                               Coward
Mar 29th 2019
66
                                    Great witnessing there, rev!
Mar 29th 2019
68
                                         Save that for your ego., You tried to beat up on someone
Mar 30th 2019
73
sounds like he's collecting money for his drug habit
Mar 29th 2019
47
I don't think that's the case the card was a photo/flyer of the ministry
Mar 29th 2019
50
Basehead was tryna hustle, you got all in his mind lol
Mar 29th 2019
63
Lol. So he did right.
Mar 29th 2019
69
It is funny seeing Case call someone a coward,
Mar 29th 2019
70
I've pointed this out at least twice, recently
Mar 29th 2019
71
Seemed like you wanted something to stick yo chest out for
Mar 30th 2019
74
Right, I wasn't there to get gas, and he didn't initiate the entire inte...
Mar 30th 2019
75
      But he did initiate though...
Apr 01st 2019
76
           Sure thing. Go tell someone at a gas station.
Apr 01st 2019
79
I'm with you sis
Apr 01st 2019
77
Thanks Johnny. Good to know I’m not doing this alone
Apr 02nd 2019
92
      This is dope.
Apr 02nd 2019
93
Guy just trying to get his life together
Apr 01st 2019
78
This thread is so weird.
Apr 01st 2019
81
      My Guy! Ain't that the truth!
Apr 01st 2019
82
           I'm sure your church elders would be proud of your showing here.
Apr 01st 2019
84
                Absolutely.
Apr 01st 2019
85
                     If said god existed, and knew my heart's intention, you'd be wrong
Apr 01st 2019
86
                          Be a better human to other's or something worst may happen to you.
Apr 01st 2019
88
                               I was a perfectly good human toward him.
Apr 01st 2019
89
                                    No one in here thinks that you were being a good human
Apr 01st 2019
90
                                         speak for yourself, Rev.
Apr 01st 2019
91

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