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74. "No, I just refuse to enable your dishonest tactics."
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My integrity nor my character or faith is in question.

Your integrity and character are absolutely questionable, and I explained why. I've pointed to specific examples of your dishonesty.

I'm not questioning your faith.

>what you want I'm intellectually honest about my faith,
>beliefs, and responses.

No, you're intellectually dishonest in the way that you engage. You seem to confuse the fact that you believe the things you say with whether or not your responding honestly to the question or statement being posed.

The bulk of your responses have been non sequiturs that dodge, deflect or divert from the points that were raised, and fun fact: your four questions have been, in great part, what you've used to dodge, divert, and deflect.

These have been pointed out in real time, time and again.

>Your ability to answer the 4 questions below is in question.

And here you are, grandstanding.

You've created a situation where I either enable your dishonest tact by giving your dishonest diversions an honest response, or I hold your feet to the fire you created with your dishonesty.

>And your ability to understand what the meanings of the
>following two words Atheist and Omnipotence is also in
>question.

lol. seriously. lol. atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods.

Simple.

Which means that if there is a god that you do not believe in, you are an atheist in regard to the notion of that particular god. Your belief in a different god does not change this.

Omnipotence is to have unlimited power or authority.

If there is a logical limit, then that is a limit, which is not unlimited. Creating an internally consistent tautology to define your god doesn't make that god omnipotent.

I clearly have a firm grasp on both terms.

>I've answered you and have given you straight answers many
>times.

No, I'm specifically referring to the non-sequitur answers you've given countless times, and specifically in the use of these four questions as a response. You don't get to pretend that providing such responses are intellectually honest.

>You don't like my responses because I wont dance to
>your beat.

First, it has nothing to do with whether or not I “like” your responses. It’s about whether your responses make sense as response to what I’ve actually said, and ignoring my statements in entirety and replying with a question irrelevant to my responses is an intellectually dishonest response. Period.

But here you are, actively changing the terms to fit a fictional narrative you’re creating in real time.

And here I am, pointing out exactly what you’re doing with specificity.

>Also, youcan't handle being on the Hot Seat or being put in a
>corner to justify your views when it comes to my questions.

LMAO is the random, unnecessary capitalization a byproduct of a condition you have, or just plain trolling?

>But you hate God.

No, I don't believe in a god. Any god. I think you may be genuinely incapable of grasping that difference though.

That's why you
>constantly run up into my post trying to debate, bash,
>disrespect and challenge my beliefs.

Way to blame your god for your actions. That’s a fantastic bonus.

Debate? Challenge? Sure. But then, you posted things about reconciling faith with science and another making the grandiose statement that there must be a moral lawgiver. Both were question begging train wrecks, and I pointed out those problems, directly.

My issue was with the premises presented in the articles, not with a deity for which no good supporting evidence exists.

Bash? Disrespect? I call out your dishonesty where and when it happens, directly and specifically. If you don’t like being called out for things like, oh, I don’t know….. posting a debate, asking people to watch, and poisoning the well by setting up a very biased perception of what will take place before they hit change your approach.

Because me calling that out has zero to do with a fictional deity created by bronze age sheep herders, and everything to do with the tactics you employed in the process.

And that’s the best part of all this:

You watched your Charlemagne post fall like a delusional person at Benny Hinn show, and decided to get your numbers by going pop with a post deliberately designed to garner the response it got.

>You never ask questions without issues a passive aggressive or
>an aggressively disrespectful comment.

No, I’m usually pretty direct. My disrespect is… where, exactly? If you’re referring to the times where I call a snake tactic for what it is, I’ll Bee Dat © Redman

Gladly.

And it’s not passive aggressive to point out the obvious issues in a post based around a question-begging article that did nothing but present logical fallacies and false dichotomies left and right.

>You never ask for the
>sake of getting to know why I believe anything.

I ask for the sake of getting down to the rationale behind it. That you can’t provide anything more substantial than an argument from ignorance is your problem. If you don’t like those beliefs to be challenged, keep them to yourself or save it for the usual safe spaces.

Your beliefs are all good. But when you present an article about faith reconciling with science, it’s going to get challenged. When you post about a moral “law” that requires a “law giver”, that’s going to get challenged.

You don’t get to deflect direct, detailed responses to your kindergarten apologetics by asking a question of your own, and then grandstand when I don't further enable your dishonest tact.

Sorry.

As I said in my initial reply to your farce of a post:

If you wanted genuine discussion, you would have presented this without prejudice. But you showed your hand from jump and got what you were fishing for.

  

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Does God Exist? Debate between Frank Turek and Christopher Hitchens [View all] , Case_One, Wed Dec-05-18 08:41 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Way to not influence people with preconceptions going in.
Dec 05th 2018
1
Oh, give it a rest. People are intelligent. They can make conclusion.
Dec 05th 2018
2
your observations made me not watch it.
Dec 05th 2018
3
How?
Dec 05th 2018
5
      the spin that you put on that
Dec 05th 2018
7
           OK. It's your choice.
Dec 05th 2018
8
Show me a "complaint". I pointed out the insidious, biased tact
Dec 05th 2018
4
      What biased tact? See my responses
Dec 05th 2018
6
           ^^---- I'm Not going beyond this point ----^^
Dec 05th 2018
9
           You predisposed the audience to your observations
Dec 05th 2018
11
all of the this
Dec 07th 2018
35
Answer the 4 questions or stay out of my post.
Dec 11th 2018
70
      You need to correct question 3, for starters.
Dec 11th 2018
72
You're in some sort of loop
Dec 05th 2018
10
Nah, there's no loop. But I will check out a few of the books you ref'd
Dec 05th 2018
13
      I'll jsut shit in a hat
Dec 05th 2018
15
           That's might progressive of you.
Dec 05th 2018
16
           Posting about taking a shit in a hat is more productive
Dec 06th 2018
28
a transcript would help speed thru the schlock
Dec 05th 2018
12
I find Turek to be more consistent and honest about his position.
Dec 05th 2018
14
      Hm interesting
Dec 05th 2018
17
           Cool
Dec 06th 2018
26
Hitch was my hero when i used to consider myself atheist
Dec 05th 2018
18
You're a glutten for punishment lol
Dec 05th 2018
19
What punishment?
Dec 05th 2018
20
imagine listening to Christopher Hitchens
Dec 06th 2018
21
even if I weren't already a Christian, I'd become one....
Dec 06th 2018
22
like 100 times out of a hundred
Dec 06th 2018
30
i would give you 24 dollars
Dec 06th 2018
23
      what
Dec 06th 2018
29
Why are people still having this debate?
Dec 06th 2018
24
Why shouldn't people still have this debate?
Dec 06th 2018
25
      Because he thinks god exists and is a settled subject
Dec 06th 2018
27
      So where is your 20 pg commentary about the debate?
Dec 06th 2018
33
           I wrote it on your heart.
Dec 06th 2018
34
                lmfao
Dec 07th 2018
36
                Classic Hitchens technique
Dec 07th 2018
37
                     Apple didn't fall far if we're both made in the image of your god
Dec 07th 2018
38
                     Also, this is a great example of your snake tendencies
Dec 07th 2018
39
                          Can you know evil without knowing good?
Dec 10th 2018
48
                               Can you stop being snake and engage honestly for once?
Dec 10th 2018
53
                                    Save the ad hominem and answer the question
Dec 10th 2018
55
                                         No ad hominem. I'm accurately describing your approach.
Dec 10th 2018
57
                                              Where did Space, Matter, and Time come from?
Dec 10th 2018
58
                                                   Where does your complete lack of honesty and integrity come from?
Dec 10th 2018
59
                                                        You're Done.
Dec 10th 2018
60
                                                             You'd rather bow out than engage honestly and sincerely
Dec 10th 2018
61
                                                                  You're and Atheist and I'm a Christian
Dec 10th 2018
63
                                                                       You sarcastically asked where my 20 page commentary is.
Dec 10th 2018
66
                                                                            Man, you’re the master of saying a whole lot of nothing -
Dec 10th 2018
67
                                                                                 Stop with the generalizations. Be specific for once.
Dec 10th 2018
68
                                                                                      Since you like directness, answer these 4 Questions
Dec 11th 2018
69
                                                                                      Substantiate the the bullshit you said in the previous post.
Dec 11th 2018
71
                                                                                      Facts, you can't answer the 4 question
Dec 11th 2018
73
                                                                                     
                                                                                      ^ Again, saying a lot to not say anything.
Dec 11th 2018
75
                                                                                      Don't just make assertions. Show your work, liar.
Dec 11th 2018
76
                                                                                      Ok, Since you're my accuser. Tell the truth and answer this question.
Dec 11th 2018
77
                                                                                      I said show your work, not shift the burden of proof yet again.
Dec 11th 2018
78
                                                                                      Show me where I lied.. And answer the 4 questions.
Dec 11th 2018
79
                                                                                      Wow, you really are a Trumpian-American. Entirely divorced from reality.
Dec 11th 2018
80
                                                                                      I see right through you now and it's sad.
Dec 12th 2018
84
                                                                                      RE:
Dec 20th 2018
96
      Becuase you don’t have to prove that God exists...
Dec 08th 2018
44
The concept of a creator from a Christian concept
Dec 06th 2018
31
What do you mean by that?
Dec 06th 2018
32
      Its diluted, stepped on a rehash of a rehash of a rehash
Dec 08th 2018
40
Why come there's no dinosaurs in the bible?
Dec 08th 2018
41
If God is all powerful...
Dec 08th 2018
42
They resolve this through the ontological argument
Dec 08th 2018
45
Thanks for that answer, really.
Dec 08th 2018
46
Ok, He's the answer to your question
Dec 10th 2018
47
      I already answered his question, but thanks
Dec 10th 2018
49
      You answer was misleading and pedestrian.
Dec 10th 2018
50
           False, on every possible point.
Dec 10th 2018
52
                Gist
Dec 10th 2018
54
                     Your problem is that I understand perfectly well
Dec 10th 2018
62
                     Nope. You're STUCK and can't admit it. So just answer #63
Dec 10th 2018
64
                          Riiight so stuck that I consistently point out specific problems
Dec 10th 2018
65
                     God lied when he said he would destroy the gods of Egypt
Dec 11th 2018
81
                          Answers
Dec 12th 2018
88
      so walking on water is logical?
Dec 13th 2018
89
           RE: so walking on water is logical?
Dec 13th 2018
91
If Adam and Eve were the first people...
Dec 08th 2018
43
the alternate interpretation of Adam & Eve & the serpent...
Dec 12th 2018
82
has this ever been a poll in GD ???
Dec 10th 2018
51
IDK know, but if you make one I'm sure the response would be good
Dec 10th 2018
56
Faith vs Logic = Everybody loses
Dec 12th 2018
83
I respect your response and truly appreciate you commentary.
Dec 12th 2018
85
The problem is that faith does not exist in a vacuum.
Dec 12th 2018
86
      Damn it CT...this is long lol
Dec 12th 2018
87
           yikes
Dec 13th 2018
90
           What up Ric?!?!
Dec 13th 2018
93
           Sorry/not sorry! It just got longer though
Dec 17th 2018
94
                RE: Sorry/not sorry! It just got longer though
Dec 18th 2018
95
yes, god exists but he's Odin, the Allfather.
Dec 13th 2018
92
Delete this bullshit
Dec 20th 2018
97
Eh. There's a worthwhile discussion starting at 83
Dec 20th 2018
98
      Voldomort. That's rich Buffington
Dec 20th 2018
99
           There's a reason for that, and you know what it is
Dec 20th 2018
100
Archive this one too. While ya at it.
Dec 17th 2019
101

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