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Cold Truth
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"In other news, I've finally accepted the inevitable: I'm an athiest"


  

          

Strange days, these days.

Up is down, left is right, and uncertainty abounds.

This has been an extremely long, gradual shift. Christianity was, for a very long time, a refuge. About ten years ago I left the church, but still held onto, and even defended much of that ideology. I argued with people online, and yes, here on OKP. I even did my lil stretch of digging into "creation science". Still, through all those years, I had tons of questions that simply did not have sufficient answers. I leaned on a few of the usual fallacies, up to and including good ol' Pasquel's wager: what if I'm wrong, but never really had anything satisfactory to justify my belief. So it's been a long, slow and gradual turn.

I went back a few times, mainly because of my wife, and I made a few attempts to renew that commitment.

We went back last year, but at that point it was 100% arbitrary; I went for her, and for my daughter, who, in another story entirely, had been indoctrinated at her day care for about two and a half to three years before I knew what was going on, and has fully embraced the idea of god and jesus dying for her. But I knew I was in a fully arbitrary mode where neither my heart nor my mind was invested in the slightest.

So fast forward through this marital situation. I thought, hey, let me get back to the foundations of this Christianity thing, and perhaps I can rediscover that faith, perhaps gain some new revelation, and started looking up youtube videos to listen to at work to give me some foundation upon which to justify my faith, because I figured now would be a good time to get that back.

Then I stumbled upon clips that did the opposite, completely dismantling every argument I'd ever used, ever dogma I ever held, while simultaneously providing historical context, science, and basic principles of reason to complete this turn. Over the last, say, two months, any religious belief I once held is completely gone. No 'I'm spiritual, not religious" nonsense either. I now hold the position that there is simply insufficient evidence to justify belief in any deity, to any degree. That isn't to discount evidence that could arise in the future or anything... but I am actually well settled in this.

I'm obviously abridging a ton of details on this journey. It's a new skin though, and I genuinely feel as though I'm viewing the world through a different lense. I do feel some sort of loss of that security blanket, but I also, strangely, feel somewhat more empowered to take control of my life.

Though I am settled in my conclusion, I am now in a period of deprogramming an awful lot of remnants. That should be an interesting process.

  

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In other news, I've finally accepted the inevitable: I'm an athiest [View all] , Cold Truth, Wed May-30-18 12:19 PM
 
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a person is only a christian if he or she has been born again
May 30th 2018
1
Been there, done that, but check this: there's no evidence.
May 30th 2018
7
You're ready for that response because you were never born again
May 30th 2018
9
False. Spare the No True Scottsman. There is no "born again".
May 30th 2018
15
      You seem quite ready to fight Christianity. Because you were calling
May 30th 2018
19
           Zzzz. You seem offended that I finally broke free of your delusion
May 30th 2018
22
                I'm showing you the light with my telling you what happened
May 30th 2018
25
                     You're showing a lot of things, but "light" is not among them
May 30th 2018
30
Oh boy
May 30th 2018
45
      It's very, very much open for debate and the "evidence" is min...
May 30th 2018
46
      Okay
May 30th 2018
50
           So are you saying the evidence is conclusive?
May 30th 2018
52
      .
May 30th 2018
47
pretty sure there are some born agains who ain't shit
May 30th 2018
8
Jesus has His ways of dealing with His saints
May 30th 2018
11
what about the Aints?
May 30th 2018
14
      You're an adult, how have you seen Jesus deal with the ain'ts?
May 30th 2018
17
           I haven't seen Jesus yet
May 30th 2018
27
                And you have never heard of a person becoming christian?
May 30th 2018
29
                     I'm talking about after they become christian
May 30th 2018
31
                          If you have seen people become christian in your lifetime, then
May 30th 2018
32
plenty of born agains who ain't shit who i've known personally
May 31st 2018
86
Protestant ass niggas claiming Christianity for themselves
May 30th 2018
62
      ^^^^^^
May 30th 2018
63
      such a turn off
May 31st 2018
66
           Yup. Much of the flack Christians gets are cause of born agains
May 31st 2018
68
                never forget this preacher telling me he was going to heaven
May 31st 2018
70
                If a christian has to take flack about what Jesus said about
May 31st 2018
72
                     If a believer can't justify his belief with evidence,
May 31st 2018
73
                          I stand with what Jesus said about being born again
May 31st 2018
74
                               You stand with canned, preprogrammed. Generic replies
May 31st 2018
76
                                    Obviously, you can focus on me if you want, but.....
May 31st 2018
77
                                         Do you have evidence to support your beliefs?
May 31st 2018
79
                                              why are you avoiding replying to reply #60?
May 31st 2018
80
                                                   Typical christian, telling others what to do and when to do it
May 31st 2018
81
                                                        Does Case One have shenanigans? What can explain that reply #60
May 31st 2018
82
                                                             If you used your brain for once, you'd be able to figure that out
May 31st 2018
83
                                                             anyone reading this post by now knows that you stopped replying to
May 31st 2018
84
                                                                  Patently false, but keep telling us about the sort of Christian you are
May 31st 2018
88
                                                             Oh, and the answer to why I'm spending time on you is obvious too,
May 31st 2018
85
I trust that you'll maintain your morals though, correct?
May 30th 2018
2
Can you clarify that question?
May 30th 2018
10
      You a good dude, you understand that the act of being good is not
May 30th 2018
21
      I'd actually argue that far more people use religion to wild out, morall...
May 30th 2018
36
           Haha...true true indeed.
May 30th 2018
37
      oops, just realized I didn't answer your question. I don't believe moral...
May 30th 2018
26
You're free now.
May 30th 2018
3
Damn right!
May 30th 2018
43
lemme as't you this...
May 30th 2018
4
I don't really see spirituality as anything more than a vague concept
May 30th 2018
59
Congrats! It was a liberating acceptance for me
May 30th 2018
5
This actually makes a lot of sense
May 30th 2018
6
Just curious, csn you expound on what specifically makes sense, and why?
May 30th 2018
58
      This was what I was referring to
May 31st 2018
75
It really is a great feel to just say it out loud and be done with it.
May 30th 2018
12
has your marriage played a part in this revelation?
May 30th 2018
13
Not in the least
May 30th 2018
16
      word, thanks for clarifying
May 30th 2018
18
Are you going to be a proselytizing atheist?
May 30th 2018
20
a proselytizing atheist isn't an atheist at all IMO.
May 30th 2018
23
https://i.imgur.com/9I526yd.jpg
May 30th 2018
24
I've shared this change with some in my close circle, absolutely
May 30th 2018
38
we can still be cool, right?
May 30th 2018
28
I'm quite literally surrounded by Christians. Everyone in my life is a b...
May 30th 2018
34
Man, I feel you. I'm somewhere in the realm of
May 30th 2018
33
not sure where I am in my journey
May 30th 2018
35
Fortunately our church is onna dem big non-dom churches..
May 30th 2018
39
Elevation? That sounds like a similar church
May 30th 2018
40
      HA!!!!!!!!!! Furtick do be rockin; the "Strangler" jeans, huh?
May 30th 2018
41
I feel that
May 31st 2018
93
RE: Man, I feel you. I'm somewhere in the realm of
May 30th 2018
56
Sorry to hear about your dilemma.
Jun 03rd 2018
155
As far as the "what if you're wrong" proposition...that's not binary
May 30th 2018
61
I'm agnostic in the purest sense
May 30th 2018
42
For the record, this isn't true at all.
May 31st 2018
65
RE: For the record, this isn't true at all.
May 31st 2018
67
Well, you sure are agnostic as to how science works. I'll give you that....
May 31st 2018
69
I've basically come to that conclusion too.
May 30th 2018
44
100%
May 30th 2018
48
Did you ever feel like you had a relationship with God?
May 30th 2018
49
I once believed that, yes.
May 30th 2018
51
      I have a few A few questions. What was that relationship like?
May 30th 2018
53
           Answers.
May 30th 2018
55
                I read every word and I thank you for sharing.
May 30th 2018
60
                     To clarify some things....
May 31st 2018
90
                          In Response. Real talk, I'm not trying to debate you or argue
May 31st 2018
95
                               Nah. No. And yes, you are debating, but I'm good with that.
May 31st 2018
96
                                    Communicating different perspectives is not a debate
Jun 01st 2018
100
                                         Lmao bruh... stop the semantic games
Jun 01st 2018
101
                                              In the end you've got Free Will. So the Choice is yours.
Jun 01st 2018
104
                                                   Oh. So if you can't be patronizing, you don't want a discussion. Noted.
Jun 01st 2018
109
                                                        Bro. I was not patronizing you. And I'm not going to argue.
Jun 01st 2018
113
                                                             Evidence shows otherwise, but we can agree to disagree and k.i.m
Jun 01st 2018
115
yea...this hits home a bit
May 30th 2018
54
I still enjoy going to church when we go to Pittsburgh
May 31st 2018
64
      Mt Ararat?
May 31st 2018
89
I'm not an atheist but I'm not satisfied with how man has defined "God".
May 30th 2018
57
Waits for the never mind God is real follow up post 5 years from now
May 31st 2018
71
Idk. Logic or reason has never been the basis for my faith.
May 31st 2018
78
I feel you on Community.. but communion?
May 31st 2018
87
By communion I didn't mean THAT particular cerimony.
Jun 01st 2018
106
Yeah it's convenient, lol. But each his own.
Jun 01st 2018
114
Congrats and welcome
May 31st 2018
91
Thanks.. except I'm not black. Black wife and kids, but I'm white and Me...
May 31st 2018
92
      actually yeah
May 31st 2018
94
           pardon my ignorance, but what is the point of an atheist group?
Jun 06th 2018
191
                Like minded people sharing thoughts
Jun 06th 2018
195
                     Ah, I get it. An online community group.
Jun 06th 2018
196
I emphatically 100% reject religion but can't get with atheism
Jun 01st 2018
97
How did you arrive at this conclusion?
Jun 01st 2018
98
It's my fact, an answer I'm satisfied with to explain the unexplainable
Jun 01st 2018
99
      With due respect, i don't think you understand what theory is
Jun 01st 2018
103
           Yes common fallacy, I stand corrected
Jun 01st 2018
110
Sounds like you stuck on Pascal's wager
Jun 01st 2018
102
      This from the Wiki is where I'm at
Jun 01st 2018
107
congrats, especially if it empowers you for more
Jun 01st 2018
105
How do you reconcile with the fact that Spirituality is a religious term...
Jun 01st 2018
108
I'd start with the fact that religion and spirituality are two different...
Jun 01st 2018
111
I think I'm a step or ten adjacent to this
Jun 01st 2018
112
I hope that brings some clarity and peace for you
Jun 01st 2018
116
Now that you are an atheist...
Jun 02nd 2018
117
What's sad is that you think those two sentences made perfect sense
Jun 02nd 2018
118
LOL
Jun 02nd 2018
119
lol
Jun 02nd 2018
120
Please accept my apologies...
Jun 02nd 2018
123
      Rephrase, I guess, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt
Jun 02nd 2018
125
           Towards the end of your original post...
Jun 02nd 2018
127
                Your question is a non sequitur.
Jun 02nd 2018
128
                     You wrote in the thread title that you are now an atheist...
Jun 02nd 2018
133
                          Your question is a non sequitur, and you've been dishonest at every turn...
Jun 02nd 2018
                          Your question is a non sequitur, and you've been dishonest at every turn...
Jun 02nd 2018
135
                               You know you had this pegged in 118, right?
Jun 02nd 2018
136
                               Agreed. But we both know I have a hard time letting ANYTHING go
Jun 02nd 2018
137
                                    haha. do you, man.
Jun 02nd 2018
138
                               In one sentence...
Jun 02nd 2018
139
                                    Death and god are two different things. Entirely.
Jun 02nd 2018
140
                                         You want it (God) to be one way...
Jun 02nd 2018
141
                                              What is or isn't is immaterial to what anyone "wants".
Jun 02nd 2018
142
                                                   What's wrong with this equation?
Jun 03rd 2018
143
                                                        Eveththing. Literally, everything. All of it. 100% of what you wrote is ...
Jun 03rd 2018
145
                                                             Everything I said is incorrect...
Jun 03rd 2018
151
                                                             Yes, everything you've said is incorrect.
Jun 03rd 2018
152
                                                                  I see no need to address you post by post...
Jun 03rd 2018
154
                                                                       Bye.
Jun 03rd 2018
156
                                                             you're a patient man.
Jun 03rd 2018
158
                                                                  Agreed, lmao
Jun 03rd 2018
159
                                                                  that's not who it is
Jun 04th 2018
160
                                                                       I thought about him too. But this also reads like a certain Canadian exi...
Jun 04th 2018
161
                                                                       nah, not enough use of quotation marks to be the other one.
Jun 06th 2018
193
Stewie Griffin can explain it for you:
Jun 07th 2018
211
religious/political views and sexual fetishes go in the same bag
Jun 02nd 2018
121
Why did you feel the need to add sexual fetishes to this?
Jun 02nd 2018
122
my point was pretty clearly made
Jun 02nd 2018
124
      Nobody said the point was unclear, first of all.
Jun 02nd 2018
126
           the subject line of Reply 122 seemed to be asking for an explanation
Jun 02nd 2018
129
                And the body of my post quite clearly shows it was a rhetorical question
Jun 02nd 2018
131
                     best of luck
Jun 02nd 2018
132
what the fuck lol
Jun 02nd 2018
130
Nigga whut?
Jun 02nd 2018
134
Thank you for typing this kind of stuff out.
Jun 03rd 2018
144
this place is bizarro world
Jun 03rd 2018
146
      Sure, pretend ur commentary is only considered nonsensical on here
Jun 03rd 2018
147
      You posted about a woman being choked during sex in an Athiest post
Jun 03rd 2018
148
           you arent even a little bit smart, it shows every day
Jun 03rd 2018
149
                Says the genius. Lmao
Jun 03rd 2018
150
What the TMZ Kanye are you talking about... ROTFL
Jun 04th 2018
165
you're another stupid person, dont reply to me
Jun 04th 2018
167
      Yoooo. There's no need to get ugly and Extra Emo
Jun 04th 2018
169
           nah you're a stupid person
Jun 05th 2018
170
           Watch out bro... he’s a choker
Jun 06th 2018
175
                lmfao
Jun 06th 2018
176
                Okay, Strangler?
Jun 06th 2018
177
                     He said he wont try and make sense anymore... ANYMORE???
Jun 06th 2018
178
                          Try?.... ROTFL
Jun 06th 2018
188
                          ah so you're stupid and into shaming women's kinks
Jun 06th 2018
197
                               Nah. I’m shaming you for bringing it up in an Athiest post
Jun 07th 2018
201
Did you by chance live in Scranton from 2005-2013?
Jun 06th 2018
180
      RE: Did you by chance live in Scranton from 2005-2013?-LMAO!!!
Jun 06th 2018
189
      Philadelphia 2006-2012
Jun 06th 2018
198
           If you had a sitcom, it would be called Perfect Stranglers.
Jun 06th 2018
199
*sigh*. okay. i'm gonna pray first before i read through this post.
Jun 03rd 2018
153
I'm not an atheist and my experiences don't point me towards atheism...
Jun 03rd 2018
157
Here's a summary of my interaction with Cold Truth:
Jun 04th 2018
162
Exactly. DigiSoul has no capacity for even the most basic logic.
Jun 04th 2018
163
https://youtu.be/OHhb7w9DlEQ
Jun 04th 2018
164
Good summary
Jun 04th 2018
166
Im still chuckling at someone believing in a death diety in 2018
Jun 04th 2018
168
I bet he plays his worship music on 45's played in reverse
Jun 05th 2018
172
      .
Jun 05th 2018
173
This would have been better as a Thanos alias than the one you're using
Jun 06th 2018
179
True, but he'd have to be joking for that to work
Jun 06th 2018
181
holy shit, all of the so called discussion with you in this post has me
Jun 06th 2018
194
RE: In other news, I've finally accepted the inevitable: I'm an athiest
Jun 05th 2018
171
It certainly feels that way, for the most part
Jun 05th 2018
174
RE: In other news, I've finally accepted the inevitable: I'm an athiest
Jun 07th 2018
205
      That freedom exists whether or not you're an athiest
Jun 07th 2018
206
how do yall feel about people on islands who believe in Gods?
Jun 06th 2018
182
Who am I mocking? And you know believers impose themselves all the time
Jun 06th 2018
183
      lol.. I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about those mocking...
Jun 06th 2018
184
           I gave some general examples in my post, answering that broader question
Jun 06th 2018
185
           I edited but I feel you when it comes to debating someone who comes
Jun 06th 2018
186
                Gotcha. To start, I disagree with your friend completely
Jun 06th 2018
187
                     well IMO no church is perfect
Jun 06th 2018
190
           nnn
Jun 06th 2018
192
The fool has said in his heart there is a god.
Jun 07th 2018
200
The dumb motherfucker believes in fairy tales for which there is no evid...
Jun 07th 2018
202
The level of stupidity in this thread is staggering
Jun 07th 2018
203
Especially since you've added a comment... ROTFL..
Jun 07th 2018
204
OP: I'm an atheist
Jun 07th 2018
213
So, do you still say stuff like, Oh God when stuff happens?
Jun 07th 2018
207
Yes, I use common colloquialisms
Jun 07th 2018
208
      When did they become common colloquialisms for you?
Jun 07th 2018
209
           Sorry, not participating in your asinine line of questioning
Jun 07th 2018
210
                I'm going to start calling you Angry Man
Jun 07th 2018
212
                     As long as I can call you a lying, thieving manipulative piece of shit, ...
Jun 07th 2018
214
SPOILER tag this next time CT
Jun 07th 2018
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