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48. "RE: I think of a swimming pool at a hotel. "
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Tue Sep-19-17 10:30 AM by lonesome_d

          


>well, my gut says if the hotel had a freezer that this girl
>could enter and that freezer had an escape mechanism that was
>broken the hotel is fucked.

I'm pretty confident the hotel's liability insurer will roll right over on this one.

They could argue mitigating circumstances:
a) Young lady was not a guest
b) Young lady was inebriated
c) The young lady's venturing into no-fly zone could potentially rescind her invitee status.
d) apparently there are specific rules regarding a hotel's obligations to a guest or invitee regarding whether the guest is on hotel premises for 'illicit purposes' and underage drinking could certainly be considered illicit. Anything I can find on this is vague though so I don't know one way or another.

BUT

a) hotel did not ask her to leave, so not being a guest doesn't affect her status as invitee;
b) we're uncertain of how hotel has handled/marked no-fly zone;
c) her inebriated status could also be argued to mean the hotel needed to exercise extra caution
d) the hotel allowed an underage party on its premises
e) the fact remains that an invitee died on the hotel's premises, and if they had searched for her or even just allowed the family to search for her when the matter was first brought to their attention, the young lady may still be alive.

So while some circumstances may provide mitigation for just how fucked the hotel actually is, the hotel is still fucked.

And it's possible several other parties will also be fucked.

>if that mechanism was
>functioning properly then the hotel is in less trouble - the
>issue might still be why was she able to get down into that
>kitchen at all?

Regardless of whether the mechanism was working correctly there is a good chance a liability claim will be brought against the manufacturer of the freezer as well (either directly, or they will be enjoined by the hotel's insurer). If the closing mechanism wasn't working properly, the freezer manufacturer's insurer will likely cough up some dough, and then subrogate against the manufacturer of the opening/closing/locking mechanism.
If hotel security is an independent service, the security provider will likely be brought in at some point.
And unless they don't have insurance, there may also be claims against the host(s) of the party, and other party attendees who provided drinks to the young lady.

Basically, as the claims pile up and the insurers start to pony up, each party will look for other parties to help share the blame. It's very possible that the other parties will not be found liable, but that won't prevent the young lady's family from going after them, or the hotel's insurer from trying to pass the buck.

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Have y'all been keeping up with this Kenneka Jenkins case? [View all] , ThaTruth, Wed Sep-13-17 04:36 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Yea, something aint right
Sep 14th 2017
1
how the hell do you leave with her car.. but without her?
Sep 14th 2017
2
did one of the articles specifically say they left in her car?
Sep 14th 2017
3
      ionno.. but it reads like they left.
Sep 14th 2017
7
is it just speculation that the friends had something to do with it?
Sep 14th 2017
4
at this point i think that's a given. it's just to what extent
Sep 14th 2017
5
      yeah i know it looked like they did
Sep 14th 2017
6
Mods, can I post the 29 minute speculation video?
Sep 14th 2017
8
i saw a video on twitter
Sep 14th 2017
9
Ehh, id err on the not side
Sep 14th 2017
12
goodness, that is heart-breaking....
Sep 14th 2017
10
Liam Nelson wouldn't have shit on me bruh
Sep 14th 2017
11
I know Black folk mind is to go to the most nefarious outcome
Sep 14th 2017
13
RE: I know Black folk mind is to go to the most nefarious outcome
Sep 14th 2017
16
In the end it won't be malicious, but it's gonna be dumb and selfish
Sep 14th 2017
14
This is my feeling too.
Sep 14th 2017
15
      Booze, drugs, 19?? Real easy to lose track of someone
Sep 14th 2017
20
They say there's video of her wandering in alone
Sep 14th 2017
17
damn. n/m
Sep 14th 2017
18
the whole thing is bizarre on many levels.
Sep 14th 2017
19
according to the moms videos
Sep 14th 2017
21
Everybody was seizing on this. It's like they wanted her to be killed.
Sep 15th 2017
22
      The hotel dug its own grave as far as litigation
Sep 15th 2017
23
           Wait, unless she booked a room there
Sep 15th 2017
24
           I 'm no attorney, but I sell liability insurance for a living.
Sep 18th 2017
32
           the hotel allowed the girl and allows others to enter the hotel
Sep 18th 2017
36
           I think the hotel would only be liable if the freezer locks from the
Sep 15th 2017
25
                I thought they got rid of those freezers that lock from the inside
Sep 15th 2017
26
                It's hard to believe she passed out in a freezer and didn't leave
Sep 15th 2017
27
                     if she was stumbling and it was dark?
Sep 15th 2017
28
                          Yeah, any of that could have happened.
Sep 15th 2017
29
                               I wouldn't want to believe my daughter died like that
Sep 15th 2017
30
                i think the hotel could've/should've looked for the girl.
Sep 18th 2017
37
                     I agree with you. I also wonder if the hotel rented rooms to
Sep 18th 2017
38
                          i don't think a person needs to be over age 18 to rent a room?
Sep 18th 2017
40
                               I think of a swimming pool at a hotel.
Sep 18th 2017
42
                                    RE: I think of a swimming pool at a hotel.
Sep 18th 2017
43
                                        
                                              agreed.
Sep 19th 2017
50
                                                   You can never tell; anecdotally, I've had clients with similar experienc...
Sep 19th 2017
52
how long can you survive in a freezer?
Sep 15th 2017
31
Should be at least 12 to 24 hours
Sep 18th 2017
33
Hmmmm....I mean maaaaaaaybe. Not if you pass out though
Sep 19th 2017
60
Inappropriate place for a Ted Williams joke? Yes or No?
Sep 18th 2017
34
the hotel needs to STFU.
Sep 18th 2017
35
I hear you but at this point I don't know if its clear that the
Sep 18th 2017
39
no, guy.
Sep 18th 2017
41
      i thought the police recording said her body was frozen
Sep 18th 2017
47
           Maybe, doesn't mean she froze to death though.
Sep 19th 2017
54
Everything is just sketchy
Sep 18th 2017
44
      i dunno if that kitchen was in use or what.
Sep 18th 2017
45
      That's where I have confusion
Sep 18th 2017
46
           RE: That's where I have confusion
Sep 19th 2017
56
      Not hard to walk into a kitchen of a hotel
Sep 19th 2017
49
           i've heard someone else say that.
Sep 19th 2017
51
           Yeah its not even hard to get into hotel pools when closed
Sep 19th 2017
55
                Common sense and personal responsibility go out the window
Sep 19th 2017
57
                i'm a 41 yr old dude and i'm surprised that hotel freezer
Sep 19th 2017
58
                     Agreed i think someone will pay
Sep 19th 2017
59
           It's funny because I remember my brother and I would wander
Sep 19th 2017
53
Death ruled an accident. She died of hypothermia.
Oct 07th 2017
61
was there any evidence of Kenneka walking into the freezer?
Oct 08th 2017
62
      They didn't specify. May not have been cameras there.
Oct 09th 2017
63

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