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27. "RE: You bought that desperate narrative ?"
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>>Like many rural places in this country.
>>
>>The DNC and Hillary were goobers for not being able to make
>a
>>more compelling argument than Trump.
>
>How would Hillary and the DNC make an argument to someone like
>this
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/who-to-trust-when-it-comes-to-health-care-reform-trump-supporters-put-their-faith-in-him/2017/03/16/1c702d58-0a64-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html?utm_term=.b5043fb0c259
>
>"Ware is a landscaper and often works near Section 8 housing
>in the Nashville area, and she becomes furious when she sees
>residents who “drive better cars than I do, they have weaves
>and hair color better than I can, they have manicures.” As
>Ware, who is white, waited in line for the rally to start, a
>group of young African American protesters walked by, and she
>yelled at them, “Go cash your welfare checks!”
>
>“He gets penalized on his income taxes, while these people
>that don’t know how to pull their pants up can go get it for
>free,” said Ware, whose employer covers the full cost of her
>health care. “Make it even. Make it balanced.”
>

Clearly Hillary and the DNC couldn't because they didn't. 1. Because they didn't really care. And 2. Because they spent a primary delegitimizing the exact policy that would have made a difference in their lives. I think Bernie reaches that voter where Hillary and the establishment DNC can't because he's willing to redirect the anger from other poor people to the other people who are responsible for the plight.

>>I know Bernie (not a Democrat) lost the primary. I stated as
>>such above. The point is that those West Virginians (some
>not
>>Democrats) were willing to vote for him and the party. But
>the
>>only reason I brought him up is because the thing you are
>now
>>telling them they should have done is exactly what they
>tried
>>to choose.
>>
>
> How does someone who was willing to vote for Bernie ignore
>all the lies and everything else Trump did before and during
>the campaign ?

Because the popular narrative pushed by most people (including the corporate media and DNC) people needed to make a choice. Not voting was also smeared as a choice. Trump was able to succeed because the success of Sanders' populism and all the enthusiasm it entailed was left to diffuse, unless someone else harnessed it. He was able to grab it and put it into his outsider image, but more importantly - he showed up. He went to these rural areas sometimes 4 and 5 times, making empty promises, but at least showing up. Again, if one person promised you everything, and someone else promises you nothing, and you are told you MUST choose, how can you blame them for voting Trump? They were given 2(?) unpopular choices and picked the one that best represented their interests from what they were being told. Had Hillary spent more than 30% of her ads on policy and not negative messaging maybe what she to offer them would have struck a nerve.


>>On POLICY, one candidate made the exact argument you are
>>making, and they chose him until they couldn't. Once they
>>couldn't have that choice anymore, then it again came down
>to
>>2 choices: one person saying he would do anything for them
>>(though it was clearly a lie) and one saying their industry
>>was dead, then tried to walk back the comments. The Clinton
>>campaign are goobers for not being able to reach those
>>desperate voters who could have been won with just rhetoric.
>>
>
>It's one thing to go from Bernie to not voting at all but to
>pick Trump given his history and actions. Why would anyone
>believe them or take them serious when they used that excuse
>?


See above. They were only given 2 choices, and the shame campaign of "you MUST choose one of these two" backfired on the DNC. They chose the other way.

>>Besides, if you were able to hear lies and vote with your
>gut
>>for a candidate against your core interests, why can't they?
>>No lesser of 2 evils, but a vote for Hillary was always a
>vote
>>for Trump. She was always the candidate he could possibly
>>beat. So thanks for helping to get us in this position. You
>>are just as complicit as they are.
>>
>>
>
>That argument works for the base of the Republican party but
>it falls apart with people who say they were going to vote for
>Bernie.
>

That argument was made for Clinton supporters who saw her campaign unravel near the end, and the lies be exposed, yet still marched into the booth and punched their ticket for her. If Clinton supporters can reconcile it, I'm sure Trump supporters can as well. I couldn't, which is why I didn't vote for either of them.

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"Oh crap Trump really did lie to us" - Coal Country (partial swipe) [View all] , BrooklynWHAT, Fri Mar-17-17 02:29 PM
 
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eventually, these white people will learn what most "liberal elites"...
Mar 17th 2017
1
Fcuk the coal goobers
Mar 17th 2017
2
      lmfaooo
Mar 17th 2017
4
      they did. That was Sanders' plan.
Mar 17th 2017
10
           If they voted for Trump over Clinton = GOOBERS
Mar 17th 2017
11
                they are NOT GOOBERS. They were desperate.
Mar 17th 2017
13
                     GOOBER LOGIC
Mar 17th 2017
15
                     Dems been losing seats across the country since 2010
Mar 18th 2017
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                     you need to dial back the idiocy
Mar 21st 2017
43
                          He's NOT saying what REALLY happened
Mar 21st 2017
46
                     desperation doesnt excuse them being fucking DUMB
Mar 18th 2017
22
                     I can concede that, as long as we can
Mar 18th 2017
26
                     You bought that desperate narrative ?
Mar 18th 2017
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                               RE: You bought that desperate narrative ?
Mar 18th 2017
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                                    RE: You bought that desperate narrative ?
Mar 18th 2017
33
                                         Incremental progressivism >>> ANY Republican idea
Mar 19th 2017
34
                                         RE: You bought that desperate narrative ?
Mar 19th 2017
36
Shocked ?
Mar 17th 2017
3
He terk er jerbs!!!
Mar 17th 2017
5
.... GOOD, you America hating fucks.
Mar 17th 2017
6
Communist? Trump is a lot of things but he's nothing near a communist
Mar 17th 2017
7
they were nazi's dude?
Mar 17th 2017
8
No one fought the Nazis harder than Communists
Mar 17th 2017
9
Video proof of Commie Nazis
Mar 17th 2017
12
i guess that went way over your head
Mar 18th 2017
28
No, Donny, they said they were nihilists.
Mar 18th 2017
21
      Fuck me. Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism...
Mar 18th 2017
24
      are we gonna split hairs here?
Mar 21st 2017
47
      thank you
Mar 18th 2017
29
He idolizes dictators so he might as well be. *Trumpcare EDIT*
Mar 17th 2017
14
      It's not hyberbolic, it's just wrong.
Mar 18th 2017
20
      It's not even hyperbole. Nothing about Trump says communist.
Mar 21st 2017
42
these dinosaurs are going to be whining about coal jobs for years
Mar 18th 2017
17
      there is no writing, there's not even a wall.
Mar 21st 2017
45
Trump voters are the dumbest motherfuckers on Earth
Mar 18th 2017
16
not entirely their fault. The system is designed to promote ignorance
Mar 20th 2017
38
Omg, I can't believe that cobra bit me!
Mar 18th 2017
18
The articles I read stated folks had low expectations going in
Mar 18th 2017
25
Oh crap Trump is cutting meals on wheels- trump voters that use MoW
Mar 18th 2017
31
if institutes a rascal or hoverround tax its all over for him
Mar 18th 2017
32
      The coming cuts to Medicare and Medicaid help ...
Mar 19th 2017
35
Oh crap Trump is cutting trump country support agencies
Mar 19th 2017
37
I Give ZERO Sorry Tear for anyone that Voted for this Bigot
Mar 20th 2017
39
FBI really is investigating Trump campaign's ties to Russia (link)
Mar 20th 2017
40
"Trump regret" still seems pretty anecdotal
Mar 20th 2017
41
Yep. This is how I'm seeing things
Mar 21st 2017
44
daily reminder to take a peak at /r/the_donald
Mar 25th 2017
48
Did they find a way to blame Lena Dunham for Trumpcare fail?
Mar 26th 2017
52
      the cuck thing still gets me, i wish we could go back to simpler
Mar 26th 2017
55
^^^^
Mar 26th 2017
51
yep. He put it best when he said he could literally shoot someone in
Mar 26th 2017
56
CNN: Mike Flynn possibly turned on Trump and now witness for the FBI
Mar 25th 2017
49
I've also notice the donald has no mention of alex jones being
Mar 25th 2017
50
RE: I've also notice the donald has no mention of alex jones being
Mar 26th 2017
53
      gotten to as in compromised
Mar 26th 2017
54
           i do wonder what his reasoning is here
Mar 26th 2017
57
                hah well most likely he was served with some serious legal shit
Mar 26th 2017
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                     RE: hah well most likely he was served with some serious legal shit
Mar 26th 2017
59
                          haha the ol im not threatening legal action but im implying
Mar 26th 2017
60
                          aah that makes more sense
Mar 26th 2017
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