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Buddy_Gilapagos
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"Poll question: Banning Burkas, how we feel about that? "
Tue Dec-06-16 05:12 PM by Buddy_Gilapagos

  

          

While forcing women to wear bathing suits bothers me, I am having a hard time getting worked up about not allowing people to don full-face coverings in schools, court rooms, and administrative buildings.

https://anotherbeautifulday.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/burka.jpg

It's funny I went to law school with a french girl who was shocked to see crucifix, yamakules, turbans and muslim garb in classrooms.


I get it religious freedom ya ya ya but is that unconditional? What if your religious tradition is rooted in sexism and misogyny? No one has an issue with banning female mutilation as part of religious ceremonies right?


There is a line, and it is somewhat arbitrary but where do you draw it?


I am just thinking out loud and can be convinced otherwise with a good argument, but right about now I can safely say you won't hear any outrage from me regarding this for now.

Edit: I should have mentioned that this post was inspired by the ban proposed in Germany so I get the constitutional issues here in the states.

http://www.vox.com/world/2016/12/6/13854214/germany-angela-merkel-burqa-ban

Poll result (23 votes)
It's wrong to impinge on those people's religious freedom. (18 votes)Vote
Govt. has a limited right to ban certain religious practices antithetical to our values. (4 votes)Vote
I don't care either way. (1 votes)Vote

  

  

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Banning Burkas, how we feel about that? [View all] , Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Dec-06-16 04:49 PM
 
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plenty women wear those by their own choice.
Dec 06th 2016
1
Not here. Other places. Like Germany.
Dec 06th 2016
4
      i think it's an awful practice anywhere.
Dec 06th 2016
16
           You allowed to wear SandM gear in court?
Dec 06th 2016
18
                *pats head*
Dec 06th 2016
20
                     Also if these white ppl care about women being mistreated via burkas
Dec 06th 2016
21
                          Impossible to enforce.
Dec 06th 2016
23
                               Ive seen public school teachers wear religious garb.
Dec 06th 2016
24
                               Muslim people DESPISE burkas more than liberals.
Dec 06th 2016
27
                                    Yes Muslim ppl can be Islamophobic.
Dec 06th 2016
28
                                         Muslim countries have banned burkas too.
Dec 06th 2016
30
                                              Not cool if the women are the ones penalized.
Dec 06th 2016
31
                                                   What needs to be flushed out is your understanding of the burka
Dec 06th 2016
35
                                                   You want to let the bad acting men off the hook and punish the innocent ...
Dec 06th 2016
38
                                                        Teachers might want to give the paper bag test in school.
Dec 06th 2016
43
                                                             It would be cool if white people would stop trying to make comparisons
Dec 06th 2016
49
                                                                  bruh... they can't help it.
Dec 07th 2016
78
                                                                       bruh...Hitikuro is not black
Dec 09th 2016
97
                                                                            how the fuck you figure I'm not black?
Dec 09th 2016
100
                                                                                 Perhaps I confused you for someone else.
Dec 09th 2016
105
                                                                                 Muhfucka said "perhaps"
Dec 09th 2016
108
                                                                                 perhaps... lmao, they can't help it
Dec 09th 2016
111
                                                   I think you are making the best argument against banning burkas
Dec 07th 2016
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                               They can wear whatever they want
Dec 07th 2016
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trying to control what women can/can't wear is wrong
Dec 06th 2016
2
lol
Dec 06th 2016
3
It's wrong, at least in the US.
Dec 06th 2016
5
It's pretty fucked up.
Dec 06th 2016
6
Is the issue really that burkas & hijabs are rooted in sexism/misogyny??
Dec 06th 2016
7
Sure but when Islamphobia dukes it out with sexism/misogyny...
Dec 06th 2016
8
but then we're back to SoWhat's point.
Dec 06th 2016
9
      plus the thing is that hijab is NOT the problem
Dec 06th 2016
10
      Burkas though.
Dec 06th 2016
12
           Yeah we aren't talking Hijabs, we talking Burkas
Dec 06th 2016
15
           I don't think it's a slippery slope.
Dec 06th 2016
17
                Why? it's only one step past what nuns wear
Dec 06th 2016
55
           We talking Burkas, Hijabs, or Niqabs?
Dec 06th 2016
46
                I think you may be confused.
Dec 06th 2016
58
      To play devil's advocate....
Dec 06th 2016
11
      Sure there are women who will tell you that they choose it
Dec 06th 2016
14
           And there are women who will say they choose to change their surname
Dec 06th 2016
36
                So a woman can decide to ban the Burka and it's cool?
Dec 06th 2016
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                     No, I'm not saying Merkle should do a damn thing.
Dec 06th 2016
48
                          If you are offending you probably didn't understand my point.
Dec 06th 2016
52
                               You thinking I'm arguing 'for the burka' shows how little you understand
Dec 06th 2016
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                                    No. You are missing my point that the notion that women are
Dec 06th 2016
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                                         Oh Germany ain't the west?
Dec 06th 2016
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                                         You are very ignorant about this.
Dec 07th 2016
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                                         Here we go. A white man decrying the R word.
Dec 07th 2016
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                                              You are an intellectual disgrace.
Dec 09th 2016
98
                                                   what shit have i posted?
Dec 09th 2016
101
                                         Again i don't know what you are talking about but it's clear you don't
Dec 07th 2016
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                                              You don't know what I'm talking about because you keep waffling
Dec 07th 2016
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                                         I've concluded that people simply don't understand what a burka is
Dec 07th 2016
63
                                              The Burka ban in Germany is completely about Islam
Dec 07th 2016
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                                                   THis concept of 'the people involved should self-police'
Dec 09th 2016
99
                                                        self-police?
Dec 09th 2016
103
                                                             You certainly have made that argument:
Dec 09th 2016
106
                                                                  I'm the intellectual disgrace here?
Dec 09th 2016
107
                                                                       I wonder how much Syrian refugees are hip to that.
Dec 09th 2016
109
                                                                            "I tried to reeeeeach it away... just don't call me the R word"
Dec 09th 2016
110
no...
Dec 06th 2016
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It's right up there with pee next to me
Dec 06th 2016
13
I wonder how common burkas are in other people's cities.
Dec 06th 2016
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I see them regularly in my neighborhood.
Dec 06th 2016
22
Have you seen them publically demeaned by their husbands?
Dec 06th 2016
25
So that means all of the millions of women wearing burkas are doing so b...
Dec 06th 2016
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if that's your theory, you could project that beyond Islam
Dec 06th 2016
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      True....
Dec 06th 2016
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           You lost me, I thought we were talking about the USA
Dec 06th 2016
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                I don't want to outright ban the burka
Dec 06th 2016
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                     And you want to punish the women you say are victimized
Dec 06th 2016
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                          Teachers aren't allowed to wear KKK outfits either.
Dec 06th 2016
42
Yooo, please tell me you have other images of her in a Burka
Dec 06th 2016
41
      I found one of the whole Jackson 5:
Dec 06th 2016
44
      Blanket prolly looking at Janet like "aunt always stealing daddy's style...
Dec 07th 2016
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I see women wearing burqas everyday
Dec 07th 2016
67
Every time I see think I think of Ninjas. I honestly dont care, I wont-
Dec 06th 2016
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RE: Banning Burkas, how we feel about that?
Dec 06th 2016
45
^ That
Dec 06th 2016
47
Was this people you know?
Dec 06th 2016
50
      I've met some late converts in passing.
Dec 06th 2016
51
           Ok but to be clear, we are talking Burkas, not Hijabs.
Dec 06th 2016
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                Naqibs... add a little lace to the slit and it's a burka...
Dec 06th 2016
57
                     ahh no.
Dec 09th 2016
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Re: civil servants, it's simple
Dec 06th 2016
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RE: Re: civil servants, it's simple
Dec 06th 2016
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You can't fight women being forced to dress a certain way.
Dec 07th 2016
65
just hustling all the way backwards
Dec 07th 2016
66
That's a misguided of over-simplification as when Chief Justice
Dec 07th 2016
68
      I live in a predominantly Muslim area of London.
Dec 07th 2016
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           mini skirts, thigh high boots and certainly bikinis would be deemed
Dec 07th 2016
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           It's the "while driving or participating in a demonstration" that raises...
Dec 07th 2016
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                agreed
Dec 07th 2016
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           I hear you but a couple of things.
Dec 07th 2016
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                Certainly I've spoken to my next door neighbour about it.
Dec 07th 2016
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                     RE: Certainly I've spoken to my next door neighbour about it.
Dec 07th 2016
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That's how it starts
Dec 07th 2016
69
How it ends
Dec 07th 2016
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It's pandering to Islamophobia at best.
Dec 07th 2016
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I agree and it's designed to do exactly what progressive people are doin...
Dec 07th 2016
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      and this is why no one should even reply to this post
Dec 07th 2016
89
      Not sure what you mean here:
Dec 08th 2016
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           Exactly
Dec 08th 2016
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                that this is not in any way true hasn't stopped you from saying it
Dec 09th 2016
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                haven't read the whole tread, but what about this :
Dec 09th 2016
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                Nope.
Dec 12th 2016
114
                     Not one for complexity eh?
Dec 12th 2016
115
                          I see patronizing is just in your character. Good luck with that.
Dec 12th 2016
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If they ban them they got to ban everything
Dec 07th 2016
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You don't though. Governments make value judgements all the time.
Dec 07th 2016
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      FGM is not Islamic
Dec 07th 2016
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           Didn't say it was islamic.
Dec 07th 2016
           Didn't say it was islamic.
Dec 07th 2016
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blue
Dec 07th 2016
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what SoWhat said.
Dec 08th 2016
95
religion just seems so nonsensical to me even at the best of times
Dec 09th 2016
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