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67. "I'd be surprised by this level of wishful thinking..."
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if I forgot who I was talking to.

>I pay attention to what Obama thoughtfully instructs his
>Press Secretary (Josh Earnest) to say. As of yesterday (via
>Bloomberg) - Earnest reiterated that Obama has in fact not
>backed Hillary Clinton.

Yes, so as we agreed, no formal endorsement. And again, that's normally how it works when the sitting VP isn't running. However:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/268994-jay-carney-obama-would-prefer-clinton-over-sanders

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/18/us/politics/obama-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders.html

>You know who Obama did come out to publicly support? Joe
>Biden. It's no secret that he wanted to endorse Biden should
>he have run - and he made it clear that he thought Biden would
>be an exceptional President.

He's also made it clear that he thinks Clinton would be an exceptional president. He's said he doesn't know Bernie as well, but that he'd probably be fine.

>Since Obama's personal choice -
>Joe Biden - declined to enter the race, Obama has remained
>neutral.
>
>You would know that if you stopped reading FiveThirtyEight
>bedtime stories every night.

I don't know why you're quite so obsessed with FiveThirtyEight. Yes, they are among the smartest sources of political discussion these days, because they base their arguments on data instead of feelings. That said, I only remember linking to a single one of their posts, and that was on a basic point that nobody who knows anything about polls would dispute. I guess it must have stung, though, just how wrong you were.

  

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AIPAC Conference [View all] , Vex_id, Mon Mar-21-16 09:11 AM
 
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no, they're different.
Mar 21st 2016
1
oooh, that good Bern
Mar 21st 2016
2
Hooray for compromising principles!!
Mar 21st 2016
9
      *shrugs*
Mar 21st 2016
14
      Contradiction and compromise are not the same.
Mar 21st 2016
40
           awesome.
Mar 21st 2016
43
      Compromising principles is how politics works, man...
Mar 21st 2016
19
I thought Bern's reasoning
Mar 21st 2016
3
RE: I thought Bern's reasoning
Mar 21st 2016
4
But...
Mar 21st 2016
28
      RE: But...
Mar 21st 2016
30
He's the Dick Cheney gangster of Israel.
Mar 21st 2016
31
      yep. a total irredemable asswipe.
Mar 21st 2016
64
      He's also more successful at inciting violence than Trump.
Mar 21st 2016
66
"Has even one HRC supporter denounced her disgusting speech today?"
Mar 21st 2016
5
i soundly denounce the speech.
Mar 21st 2016
6
RE: i soundly denounce the speech.
Mar 21st 2016
7
yup
Mar 21st 2016
11
Yeah.
Mar 21st 2016
29
DAMN
Mar 21st 2016
10
Compare it to the one Bernie just gave
Mar 21st 2016
35
      I've never seen a presidential candidate with such unshakeable integrity
Mar 21st 2016
44
           I feel the same way.
Mar 21st 2016
49
           His previous views on Israel were challenged hard
Mar 21st 2016
51
           Ralph Nader was like that. Third party Green folks
Mar 21st 2016
50
           Nader didn't have the consistent record that Sanders boasts
Mar 21st 2016
54
           Exactly. I'm never not proud to support him nm
Mar 21st 2016
59
           see Ron Paul in 2012
Mar 22nd 2016
72
                His views include denying service based on race and
Mar 22nd 2016
73
                     lol, this reads like a post from addictinginfo.org
Mar 30th 2016
79
So we're clear. This is politics, right?
Mar 21st 2016
8
We see it. That game is the whole point.
Mar 21st 2016
12
      It won't end. The fact that you wish it away won't make it so...
Mar 21st 2016
13
           While your cynicism is certainly understandable
Mar 21st 2016
15
           that's great.
Mar 21st 2016
16
           local/mid-term elections are what's most important moving forward
Mar 21st 2016
18
           word.
Mar 21st 2016
21
           Someone made a reference google doc to support this
Mar 21st 2016
32
                That's fantastic work - thanks for sharing.
Mar 21st 2016
33
                cool list
Mar 22nd 2016
78
           Why would we ever do this?
Mar 21st 2016
38
                there's always suicide, i guess.
Mar 21st 2016
42
                     Keep joking you gotta live here too nm
Mar 21st 2016
52
                          no, i don't.
Mar 21st 2016
53
           It's not cynicism and your "growing electorate" isn't new...
Mar 21st 2016
17
                k.
Mar 21st 2016
20
                Uprooted status quo operatives on Foreign Policy?
Mar 21st 2016
23
                     RE: Uprooted status quo operatives on Foreign Policy?
Mar 21st 2016
24
                          I have to disagree with you on Kerry
Mar 21st 2016
61
                               RE: I have to disagree here. Although HRC is well to Obama's right...
Mar 21st 2016
63
                Unless the many millions of supporters are all naive
Mar 21st 2016
48
           True. All we need is 51% to wish it away.
Mar 21st 2016
36
                ^^^
Mar 21st 2016
56
                Nail on the head.
Mar 21st 2016
68
                     Point is, he said all that for a reason.
Mar 21st 2016
70
Kasich now bowing to AIPAC
Mar 21st 2016
22
Obama's AIPAC Speech---2008 (Swipe)
Mar 21st 2016
25
I'm sure glad that 2016 Obama has grown considerably from that moment
Mar 21st 2016
26
      Conceivably she can be turned then.
Mar 21st 2016
27
      RE: Conceivably she can be turned then.
Mar 21st 2016
34
      oh well then.
Mar 21st 2016
37
      Whats the incentive if you're with her either way? Nm
Mar 21st 2016
39
           for sure.
Mar 21st 2016
41
      I can only hope Hillary does the same.
Mar 21st 2016
65
im in DC all week, got bum rushed by the crowd
Mar 21st 2016
45
Sanders on Netanyahu tonight (via Chris Hayes):
Mar 21st 2016
46
probably Malia.
Mar 21st 2016
47
I'd guess it's the candidate Obama is actually supporting.
Mar 21st 2016
57
      Interesting - there's been no formal endorsement of Clinton.
Mar 21st 2016
58
           LOL. Do you follow the news?
Mar 21st 2016
60
                Apparently you don't.
Mar 21st 2016
62
                    
                          Well - If I were Obama I would remain neutral as well
Mar 21st 2016
69
                               Wow, that's the best you've got?
Mar 21st 2016
71
great avi...
Mar 21st 2016
55
it's bizarre tomme that the sole Jewish candidate
Mar 22nd 2016
74
Hillary isn't compromising her principles in this speech
Mar 22nd 2016
75
i'm really excited about all the war that's coming.
Mar 22nd 2016
76
      It will be great for cable news ratings n/m
Mar 22nd 2016
77

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