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RaFromQueens
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36. "True. All we need is 51% to wish it away."
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Mon Mar-21-16 07:13 PM by RaFromQueens

  

          

>She is a woman running for the most powerful office on Earth
>and yet you think that she can stand in a room and project
>anything less than hawkish strength?


Let's start here. These shrewd, calculated moves to put on the face people want to see are a problem. That's not the way it has to be, it's just the way it is. For now. Ideally, candidates would be themselves and if their acting doesn't fit their older scripts the people would be smart enough to call them on that and vote accordingly. And hopefully more illuminated souls like you and sowhat would allow us to call hypocrisy and inconsistency by their names. If HRC is acting like a hawk to get into office where she will behave differently that's just lying. You can tell me that's how it is like I was born on Mars until you're blue in the face. Don't tell it's okay or that it's got to be that way.

If Hillary went in front
>of a crowd and offered up what Bernie Sanders is offering up
>we'd call her naive and say she's not ready to lead.

And people say that about Bernie. And he has his supporters in addition to his detractors. He is who he is and you have a chance to vote knowing the truth about him.

Honestly, I thought we turned a corner with that "you know what I mean even though I have to say this" bullshit game. Everybody should be ashamed.

>But back to the game you want to end.
>
>It won't.
>
>It can't.
>
>It's been played since humans organized into tribes and
>decided one person was more fit to lead them than others.
>It's going on at work, at school, in the streets. It's how
>this whole system operates. You don't like it? Move to an
>island and make your own. But as long as there is power to be
>had, there will be people jockeying for its use.

This is a load of bullshit. Yes people will be jockeying for power no matter what, but the skills qualifying you to be in power (read: the preferences of the followers) have not remained consistent for even the last century. Never mind human history. The leadership tests faced by Barack Obama and Genghis Khan could not be more different. In Iceland having a woman leader is not only normal most prefer it so your line about HRC up there having to play a game are only accurate in this country. Only for today.

The United States isn't the only democracy in the world. But it is the only one where money is legally speech. It is the only democracy where huge corporate interests craft our national media to fit their narratives. And this is the only democracy that I know of where you can chastise people for wanting the system to work and mask your preference for corruption as sophistication.

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"People that need positivity around them all the time are weak individuals in my book" - @lilduval

  

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AIPAC Conference [View all] , Vex_id, Mon Mar-21-16 09:11 AM
 
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no, they're different.
Mar 21st 2016
1
oooh, that good Bern
Mar 21st 2016
2
Hooray for compromising principles!!
Mar 21st 2016
9
      *shrugs*
Mar 21st 2016
14
      Contradiction and compromise are not the same.
Mar 21st 2016
40
           awesome.
Mar 21st 2016
43
      Compromising principles is how politics works, man...
Mar 21st 2016
19
I thought Bern's reasoning
Mar 21st 2016
3
RE: I thought Bern's reasoning
Mar 21st 2016
4
But...
Mar 21st 2016
28
      RE: But...
Mar 21st 2016
30
He's the Dick Cheney gangster of Israel.
Mar 21st 2016
31
      yep. a total irredemable asswipe.
Mar 21st 2016
64
      He's also more successful at inciting violence than Trump.
Mar 21st 2016
66
"Has even one HRC supporter denounced her disgusting speech today?"
Mar 21st 2016
5
i soundly denounce the speech.
Mar 21st 2016
6
RE: i soundly denounce the speech.
Mar 21st 2016
7
yup
Mar 21st 2016
11
Yeah.
Mar 21st 2016
29
DAMN
Mar 21st 2016
10
Compare it to the one Bernie just gave
Mar 21st 2016
35
      I've never seen a presidential candidate with such unshakeable integrity
Mar 21st 2016
44
           I feel the same way.
Mar 21st 2016
49
           His previous views on Israel were challenged hard
Mar 21st 2016
51
           Ralph Nader was like that. Third party Green folks
Mar 21st 2016
50
           Nader didn't have the consistent record that Sanders boasts
Mar 21st 2016
54
           Exactly. I'm never not proud to support him nm
Mar 21st 2016
59
           see Ron Paul in 2012
Mar 22nd 2016
72
                His views include denying service based on race and
Mar 22nd 2016
73
                     lol, this reads like a post from addictinginfo.org
Mar 30th 2016
79
So we're clear. This is politics, right?
Mar 21st 2016
8
We see it. That game is the whole point.
Mar 21st 2016
12
      It won't end. The fact that you wish it away won't make it so...
Mar 21st 2016
13
           While your cynicism is certainly understandable
Mar 21st 2016
15
           that's great.
Mar 21st 2016
16
           local/mid-term elections are what's most important moving forward
Mar 21st 2016
18
           word.
Mar 21st 2016
21
           Someone made a reference google doc to support this
Mar 21st 2016
32
                That's fantastic work - thanks for sharing.
Mar 21st 2016
33
                cool list
Mar 22nd 2016
78
           Why would we ever do this?
Mar 21st 2016
38
                there's always suicide, i guess.
Mar 21st 2016
42
                     Keep joking you gotta live here too nm
Mar 21st 2016
52
                          no, i don't.
Mar 21st 2016
53
           It's not cynicism and your "growing electorate" isn't new...
Mar 21st 2016
17
                k.
Mar 21st 2016
20
                Uprooted status quo operatives on Foreign Policy?
Mar 21st 2016
23
                     RE: Uprooted status quo operatives on Foreign Policy?
Mar 21st 2016
24
                          I have to disagree with you on Kerry
Mar 21st 2016
61
                               RE: I have to disagree here. Although HRC is well to Obama's right...
Mar 21st 2016
63
                Unless the many millions of supporters are all naive
Mar 21st 2016
48
          
                ^^^
Mar 21st 2016
56
                Nail on the head.
Mar 21st 2016
68
                     Point is, he said all that for a reason.
Mar 21st 2016
70
Kasich now bowing to AIPAC
Mar 21st 2016
22
Obama's AIPAC Speech---2008 (Swipe)
Mar 21st 2016
25
I'm sure glad that 2016 Obama has grown considerably from that moment
Mar 21st 2016
26
      Conceivably she can be turned then.
Mar 21st 2016
27
      RE: Conceivably she can be turned then.
Mar 21st 2016
34
      oh well then.
Mar 21st 2016
37
      Whats the incentive if you're with her either way? Nm
Mar 21st 2016
39
           for sure.
Mar 21st 2016
41
      I can only hope Hillary does the same.
Mar 21st 2016
65
im in DC all week, got bum rushed by the crowd
Mar 21st 2016
45
Sanders on Netanyahu tonight (via Chris Hayes):
Mar 21st 2016
46
probably Malia.
Mar 21st 2016
47
I'd guess it's the candidate Obama is actually supporting.
Mar 21st 2016
57
      Interesting - there's been no formal endorsement of Clinton.
Mar 21st 2016
58
           LOL. Do you follow the news?
Mar 21st 2016
60
                Apparently you don't.
Mar 21st 2016
62
                     I'd be surprised by this level of wishful thinking...
Mar 21st 2016
67
                          Well - If I were Obama I would remain neutral as well
Mar 21st 2016
69
                               Wow, that's the best you've got?
Mar 21st 2016
71
great avi...
Mar 21st 2016
55
it's bizarre tomme that the sole Jewish candidate
Mar 22nd 2016
74
Hillary isn't compromising her principles in this speech
Mar 22nd 2016
75
i'm really excited about all the war that's coming.
Mar 22nd 2016
76
      It will be great for cable news ratings n/m
Mar 22nd 2016
77

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