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Sun Dec-06-15 08:15 PM by denny

          

One thing I've come to learn....alot of Gandhi's reluctance to unite with other oppressed groups is because they were Christians. So some of the quotes (like the last one you provided) about race-mixing were based on his new-found Hindu pride and anti-christian stance. Also...the protests and quotes he made about not wanting to be imprisoned with native SA's had a legitimate/non-racist motivation. Native SAs didn't exactly greet Indians into society as brothers-in-arms either. There was lots of inter-sectional racism going around on all sides. So the British would punish Indian protesters by putting them in cells with native SAs...knowing full well that they would get beaten up.

But the most indicting quotes provided....specifically the one about 'the europeans should rule SA' and the 'kaffirs are lazy' were made when he first got to SA. At which time there is no doubt that he held racist/prejudiced views. But there's ample evidence that he changed his mind and eventually sympathized with native SAs....as well as supporting their cause. Now....he's been overly-credited by some western historians in CONTRIBUTING to the plight of native SAs....credit that rightfully belonged to Native SA leaders. But he certainly wasn't AGAINST them during the majority of his time there. And he did have correspondence with and provide moral support in his writings for leaders of Native SAs. For example...the zulu anti-apartheid newspaper 'Light of Natal' was printed by Gandhi's organization.

I went down the rabbit-hole last night reading about this. This article from 1990 is the best one I found. It provides more evidence of Gandhi's racism than is even in this thread (for example, he actually tried to THWART a native SA protest at one time for strategic reasons benefiting the indian movement) but also contextualizes it within the complexities of what was going on in SA at that time:

http://www.mkgandhi.org/articles/jamesdhunt.htm

It's not an apologist paper and it's not necessarily pro-Gandhi neither. In fact, it states clearly that Gandhi is wrongly attributed with credit for fighting for civil rights in SA. But it also paints a more nuanced picture than simply 'Gandhi hated black people'.

  

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was Ghandi a racist? [View all] , legsdiamond, Fri Dec-04-15 10:28 AM
 
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Yes. It's well documented.
Dec 04th 2015
1
Yes, a huge one. Makes it somewhat odd that MLK was inspired by him.
Dec 04th 2015
2
i kinda see why MLK adopted his style but tweaked it for the masses
Dec 04th 2015
4
      Wasn't it other folks that introduced Ghandi to MLK?
Dec 04th 2015
9
      Wonder if folks knew he was garbage back then, but had that Africa hate
Dec 04th 2015
12
      The masses?
Dec 06th 2015
44
Yes, he was. My mind was blown when I first read about it n/m
Dec 04th 2015
3
well, i cant be too shocked since indians are serious abou that caste sy...
Dec 04th 2015
5
What did Mahatma Gandhi think of black people? - WashPo
Dec 04th 2015
6
damn a nigga legit learned some shit in this post.
Dec 05th 2015
34
      Haha same.
Dec 06th 2015
39
Yup and overrated too
Dec 04th 2015
7
RE: was Ghandi a racist?
Dec 04th 2015
8
indians brown nose (literally) white folk so hard
Dec 04th 2015
10
an indian teacher in college asked me if i had a phone
Dec 04th 2015
14
Not just racist but specifically anti-Black.
Dec 04th 2015
11
^^^ yup nm
Dec 04th 2015
16
he called Jackie Robinson a n***a
Dec 04th 2015
13
Yep. Another one I just found out about was Coco Chanel...
Dec 04th 2015
15
just watch the gawdess Arundhati Roy ether his legacy
Dec 05th 2015
17
lol @ gawdess
Dec 05th 2015
21
      she da best
Dec 05th 2015
23
           i'm hurt.
Dec 05th 2015
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                LOL. nah you will always be cool with me guru
Dec 05th 2015
25
RE: was Ghandi a racist?
Dec 05th 2015
18
watch the linked video above you
Dec 05th 2015
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lol
Dec 05th 2015
26
      RE: lol
Dec 05th 2015
29
Bingo.
Dec 05th 2015
22
He'd have written it down if he had changed his views.
Dec 05th 2015
28
THat's my understanding too.
Dec 05th 2015
33
Read that last chapter of Malcolm X again...
Dec 05th 2015
32
      I hear you.....
Dec 06th 2015
38
he was* racist, and then he changed his views & ( he was also a weirdo)
Dec 05th 2015
20
Doesn't count for anything.
Dec 05th 2015
27
Lol
Dec 05th 2015
30
nah, the brits were on their way out, worldwide
Dec 05th 2015
35
      India got their independence waaaay before the other british colonies
Dec 06th 2015
37
           it was pretty much a wrap for them post wwI
Dec 06th 2015
45
Haha, yeah.
Dec 05th 2015
31
Oh? Like what?
Dec 06th 2015
36
Here's a good read:
Dec 06th 2015
40
that whitewash movie made that turkey
Dec 06th 2015
41
He was the Apartheid regime's biggest co-signer.
Dec 06th 2015
42
Let's look at some other quotes.
Dec 06th 2015
43
      That does not exactly counter these quotes about Black Africans directl...
Dec 06th 2015
46
          

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