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143. "#2 for 2004. #89 overall. 8.7/10."
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Tue Aug-11-15 02:02 PM by Nodima

  

          

(there is a lot written here)

(Posting date: Feb. 7, 2014)

For me, it wasn't so much the formative years as it was a mainstream rap album I REALLY liked (or at least listened to a LOT), and back then that's not really so easy to come by. For me at that time it was basically one a year (at the time I wouldn't call what Eminem was doing "mainstream" for example) - Blueprint, Lord Willin, Get Rich or Die Tryin', College Dropout - until 2005 when the tides started to shift and the big hit albums were more my style for a little bit. But College Dropout bridged that gap between what still sounded underground and exclusive in a mostly pre-internet, totally pre-Youtube era and what still made for really catchy, enjoyable, digestible pop music.

Kanye also cleared the way for rappers who were more blatantly being sold as comedians as much as wordsmiths. No one put their fists to their mouths and jumped up and down screaming "oooooooooh!" to "got a dark-skinned friend look like Michael Jackson / Got a light skin friend look like Michael Jackson" the way they did to the "god damn she fine but she party all the time!" antics of Jay-Z's "Girls, Girls, Girls", but we probably shouldn't have been so blind to Kanye's ability to deliver songs balancing that line between comical lark and social satire over and over again.

Thinking back on this album in the weekend leading up to its 10th anniversary (really Def Jam, no attempt to cash in with a huge retrospective box including mastered Good Ass Job mixtapes most Kanye fans probably haven't heard and what not? Can someone get me a line to their office?) it's most striking to me just how compelling the idea of it was. It's hard to remember now in a post-irony, post-Graduation world, but there was a time when pop rap was mostly really bad, gangsta rap was struggling to express itself from within the confines of the major studio system and underground rap was fractioning off into both boom bap purism and abstract dismantling of the form's very foundation. And them, you know, The Ummah or whatever.

College Dropout - and I think even at the time it felt capable of doing this - helped put an end to all that. You could put a song like "Jesus Walks" ten minutes ahead of "The New Workout Plan" and it could make sense. You could do drug dealer raps like "We Don't Care" and gather-round-the-dinner table testimonial like "Family Business" as album bookends and be confident the listener would feel like they were walking out the same door they came in. There had been good-to-great balancing acts in hip-hop before, but to my ears no one made that more palpable with a single release than Kanye with this here. To an awkward high school freshman who loved Black on Both Sides and Get Rich or Die Tryin' in near-equal measure, The College Dropout quickly became my everything.

Re-listening to it now (iTunes is registering 0 plays for all tracks, meaning I probably haven't listened to this album since May 22 2009 when I first scored it for the handbook) I can't help but realize how nostalgic this album was for me. Kanye's verse on "Get 'Em High" was one of my very first "I MUST learn this whole thing!" moments, and yes I already knew what 36 Chambers and The Blueprint sounded like. I wanted to know that verse. "Family Business" was the first beat that caught me flabbergasted by how pretty a hip-hop song can be, the way "I Got 5 on It" or "Ambitionz az a Ridah" taught me music can let its nuts hang as low as the gangsta-est rappers. I got to hear Ludacris and Mos Def on the same album, which at the time was all I ever wanted. Talib Kweli created an Okayplayer lurker and eventual addict out of me with a single line.

I could probably go on for another two or three paragraphs, about my memories for each individual song or how weird it seems to be listening to this album while looking at my old scores for it. Instead, I just want to say thanks to Kanye. And read this: Billboard: Kanye West's College Dropout - An Oral History.

(Posting date: May 22, 2009)

It's never been a secret that Kanye West is not a gifted rapper. If anything, he's a guy that has an ear for good music, and perhaps more importantly good hip-hop, and has used that ear to produce for and glean knowledge off of some of the best MCs in the world. After spending the better part of a decade behind the boards with occasional chorus or adlib duty, Kanye was ready to take his shine just as his mentor Jay-Z was ready to relinquish his own. The Roc was poised to deliver us...

Eventually, the Roc was poised to deliver us yet another larger than life, poster board celebrity figure to rap enjoyably and accessibly about the finer things over some of the most banging and innovative beats in the mainstream hip-hop industry. But in the beginning it wasn't about innovation or superstardom, it was about Kanye nearly dying in a car accident, loving his family get togethers, losing faith in long-standing institutions like education and employment, and remembering that no matter how phat the basslines get there's still nobody that's competing with Marvin, Anita or Luther on the vox.

In this context, Kanye's shortcomings lyrically are often entirely ignorable, fading away into the deeper framework of who Kanye West is. Rather than gimmicky Cam'ronisms or heady, half-baked DOOMpostering, Kanye's whacky brand of pop culture humor mostly ends up pointing fun at himself. Not that he was all fun and games, singles like "All Falls Down" and "Jesus Walks" carried for one brief moment the torch of meaningful hip-hop and videos almost single-handedly.

It's almost a shame that Kanye would continue to harness his worst traits to continue making good music. Before the stardom he was an entertaining guy but he was also thoughtful, and he wasn't afraid to let his guard down. Perhaps through all the egotism, there was a period where Kanye was afraid his success might never come, where he might have been lost in his room wondering if his talent was worth what he thought it was worth. Because this sort of album must be the result of an artist who urgently needs to have his voice heard. Considering the pressure he was under to become a success for his label, I'd say he did an admirable job becoming a success for himself.
The College Dropout (Produced by Kanye West unless noted)

1|Intro|0:19 3 - 3.75
2|We Don't Care|3:59 5
3|Graduation Day|1:22 3 - 3.5
4|All Falls Down (feat. Syleena Johnson)|3:43 5
5|I'll Fly Away|1:09 4 - 4.5
6|Spaceship (feat. GLC & Consequence)|5:24 4.5 - 5
7|Jesus Walks|3:13 4.75 - 5
8|Never Let Me Down (feat. Jay-Z & J. Ivy) |5:24 3.25 - 4
9|Get Em High (feat. Talib Kweli & Common)|4:49 4.75 - 5
Common is weird here, but the rest is great in my opinion. I have it memorized in fact.
10|Workout Plan|0:46 3 - 3.25
11|The New Workout Plan|5:22 4
Somehow, I've never noticed he mentioned juke music on a big, weird pop record in 2004 until just now, in 2014.
12|Slow Jamz (with Twista & Jamie Foxx)|5:16 5
13|Breathe in Breathe Out (feat. Ludacris)|4:06 (Produced by Kanye West & All Day) 4 - 4.25
14|School Spirit Skit 1|1:18 3
15|School Spirit|3:02 3.5 - 4
16|School Spirit Skit 2|0:43 3
17|Lil Jimmy Skit|0:53 3 - 3.25
By the end of this skit, a whole lot of momentum has been sacrificed. School Spirit is fun but why not just throw it on a mixtape and ditch the skits?
18|Two Words (feat. Mos Def, Freeway & The Harlem Boys Choir)|4:26 4 - 4.5
That bullshit he pulls at the end there is kind of an underrated moment of the album.
19|Through the Wire|3:41 5
20|Family Business|4:38 5
21|Last Call|12:40 (Produced by Kanye West, Evidence & Porse) 5

Overall: 86 - 88.5 4.15/5 82 - 84%: Great; repeated listens suggested; BUY IT

Original Overall (05/22/2009): 83 - 84.5 3.99/5 79 - 80%: Solid; few major reservations; TRY IT


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

  

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Revisiting instant classics of the early aughts [View all] , John Forte, Mon Aug-10-15 01:17 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Speakerboxx/The Love Below
Aug 10th 2015
1
Never thought it was a classic
Aug 10th 2015
5
She Lives In My Lap is a classic song to me.
Aug 10th 2015
30
      True, that was a good song...
Aug 10th 2015
48
I used to ride for The Love Below. Now, though...
Aug 10th 2015
11
RE: Speakerboxx/The Love Below
Aug 10th 2015
14
...i still havent heard it in its entirety. *holds up black card for tak...
Aug 10th 2015
16
still goes
Aug 11th 2015
64
A Day in the Life of Andre Benjamin.
Aug 11th 2015
68
Not surprisingly, the last great Outkast album
Aug 11th 2015
82
Opinion has not changed, very good but not quite classic.
Aug 11th 2015
89
#8 for 2003. #302 overall. 7.8/10.
Aug 11th 2015
131
GRODT
Aug 10th 2015
2
The first half is great, the second half not so much
Aug 10th 2015
3
The album is trash and "In The Club" is the most overrated club banger
Aug 10th 2015
4
that didn't take long
Aug 10th 2015
8
it's the reason he made the post.
Aug 10th 2015
9
      The Love Below was
Aug 10th 2015
10
      word.
Aug 10th 2015
12
      LOL
Aug 10th 2015
23
100% agreed
Aug 11th 2015
79
never heard the whole album
Aug 10th 2015
6
the radio played this album on his b-day
Aug 10th 2015
7
Never cared for it. I respect it in a cultural sense, but musically...eh...
Aug 10th 2015
29
I think I listened to it once when it came out
Aug 10th 2015
37
i'm just not a 50 fan
Aug 11th 2015
67
*toilet flush sound*
Aug 11th 2015
78
^
Aug 11th 2015
114
Talk about a face value record, slick production, limited substance
Aug 11th 2015
90
still classic
Aug 11th 2015
126
#9 for 2003. #328 overall. 7.5/10.
Aug 11th 2015
132
Fat Joe sold his soul
Aug 10th 2015
13
Allegedly, he found Pun's rhyme book.
Aug 11th 2015
65
      I can't see Joe weilding that much power
Aug 11th 2015
134
Supreme Clientele is the only album from that era that matters.
Aug 10th 2015
15
agreed
Aug 10th 2015
24
it came out early 2000 though
Aug 10th 2015
55
It's held up the best for sure.
Aug 11th 2015
66
^^ Lessonhead reply in a GD post
Aug 11th 2015
69
#3 for 2000. #29 overall. 9.2/10.
Aug 11th 2015
133
The Minstrel Show
Aug 10th 2015
17
good, good, so fucking good...listen to it regularly with NO skips
Aug 10th 2015
21
a very good album that didn't quite meet expectation
Aug 11th 2015
80
Another very good but not great record
Aug 11th 2015
91
Pretty great; prefer ''The Listening''
Aug 11th 2015
116
#12 for 2005. #345 overall. 7.5/10.
Aug 11th 2015
136
Champion Sound
Aug 10th 2015
18
dope album, i didn't cop till about 2011
Aug 10th 2015
53
Took a little adjustment at first, still think it's a CLASSIC
Aug 11th 2015
83
Great
Aug 11th 2015
117
deluxe re-issue. #1 for 2007. #65 overall. 8.8/10.
Aug 11th 2015
139
DangerDoom
Aug 10th 2015
19
Loved it at the time; honestly haven't listened to it in years
Aug 11th 2015
118
#19 for 2005. #625 overall. 6.6/10.
Aug 11th 2015
141
Blueprint
Aug 10th 2015
20
take away 3 songs and it's a top 10-20 all time(hip hop)
Aug 10th 2015
49
Wow. Those are not the songs I expected to see on your list
Aug 10th 2015
51
you're right, i should have had h to the izzo on there
Aug 10th 2015
61
      So you would remove a third of the tracks
Aug 11th 2015
71
Song Cry is the worst.
Aug 11th 2015
63
Huh?!??!????????????????????????????
Aug 11th 2015
110
Jay in full tastemaker mode
Aug 11th 2015
84
#1 for 2001. #34 overall. 9.1/10.
Aug 11th 2015
142
PUTS - OST
Aug 10th 2015
22
That's actually my favorite from them
Aug 11th 2015
113
College Dropout
Aug 10th 2015
25
got better with age
Aug 10th 2015
26
Very good record, had legs for sure.
Aug 11th 2015
92
Dope
Aug 11th 2015
119
still a great album. classic no doubt.
Aug 11th 2015
125
did not age well at all
Aug 11th 2015
128
HNIC
Aug 10th 2015
27
CLASSIC
Aug 10th 2015
42
don't love every track, but still CLASSIC
Aug 11th 2015
81
RE: don't love every track, but still CLASSIC
Aug 11th 2015
87
#28 for 2000. #836 overall. 5.8/10.
Aug 11th 2015
144
A Child of the ghetto
Aug 10th 2015
28
i got put on to this one late but def a personal favorite.
Aug 11th 2015
73
Common - Like Water For Chocolate
Aug 10th 2015
31
classic
Aug 10th 2015
43
A Film Called Pimp though...
Aug 10th 2015
45
Beautiful
Aug 10th 2015
47
Soulquarians at their peak...classic
Aug 11th 2015
70
Boring, preachy and fake deep
Aug 11th 2015
72
^^^^^
Aug 11th 2015
137
classic. front to back.
Aug 11th 2015
74
great album, had me optimistic about the coming decade
Aug 11th 2015
85
Great production, good cuts, good record. 2nd favorite Common album
Aug 11th 2015
93
classic, one of the most complete albums of the period
Aug 11th 2015
100
CLASSIC
Aug 11th 2015
106
GREATNESS
Aug 11th 2015
121
#1 for 2000. #11 overall. 9.6/10.
Aug 11th 2015
145
CunninLynguists - A Piece of Strange
Aug 10th 2015
32
#5 for 2006. #124 overall. 8.3/10.
Aug 11th 2015
148
Little Brother - The Listening
Aug 10th 2015
33
rare is a debut album a classic, but this one is IMO
Aug 11th 2015
86
he talked about it on the Separate But Equal joint
Aug 11th 2015
135
Hard to be objective about this record
Aug 11th 2015
INSTANT CLASSIC
Aug 11th 2015
107
not perfect, but classic in terms of being timeless
Aug 11th 2015
129
#5 for 2003. #234 overall. 8.0/10.
Aug 11th 2015
151
The Roots - Game Theory
Aug 10th 2015
34
07 is not the early aughts though. more like phrenology, no?
Aug 11th 2015
94
      2006 actually. And the OP said 10 years old
Aug 11th 2015
104
Dilla - Donuts
Aug 10th 2015
35
Fantastic Vol 2 was a classic IMO, Donuts was also very good though
Aug 11th 2015
98
Common - Be
Aug 10th 2015
36
great album, haven't listened to it in years though
Aug 10th 2015
50
To me that's yeezy at his best production wise
Aug 11th 2015
102
Nas - Stillmatic
Aug 10th 2015
38
overrated
Aug 11th 2015
138
has a handful of outstanding songs. some of nas' best work
Aug 11th 2015
146
The Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury
Aug 10th 2015
39
To me they're one step below mobb deep as a duo rap group
Aug 11th 2015
95
still disappointing
Aug 11th 2015
99
Cam'ron - Purple Haze
Aug 10th 2015
40
classic
Aug 10th 2015
44
I kinda fuck with Cam/Dipset but I dunno, this one didnt do it for me
Aug 11th 2015
97
I'm in this camp. I love that era of dipset, but that lp never stuck wit...
Aug 11th 2015
101
ABSOLUTE CLASSIC
Aug 11th 2015
127
Nas - God's Son
Aug 10th 2015
41
about 5 or 6 good songs, can't listen to it straight through
Aug 10th 2015
52
gotta revisit it. not one of my favorite Nas albums at all but not bad.
Aug 11th 2015
75
Half good but never thought it was a classic
Aug 11th 2015
96
Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein
Aug 10th 2015
46
still haunting
Aug 11th 2015
76
still the $hit
Aug 11th 2015
88
YES!
Aug 11th 2015
120
2nd best of the decade imo
Aug 11th 2015
140
one of the best of the decade
Aug 11th 2015
147
CLASSIC
Aug 11th 2015
149
Madvillainy
Aug 10th 2015
54
Intensely classic
Aug 11th 2015
115
Kem - Kemistry
Aug 10th 2015
56
Styles P "A Gangster and a Gentleman"
Aug 10th 2015
57
Is still the best thing to ever come from the Lox camp
Aug 11th 2015
103
Master Ace - A Long Hot Summer
Aug 10th 2015
58
yes this was def a sleeper classic.
Aug 11th 2015
105
Angie Stone - Mahogany Soul
Aug 10th 2015
59
Heather Headley - This Is Who I Am
Aug 10th 2015
60
Edan-Beauty and the Beat
Aug 11th 2015
62
great album
Aug 11th 2015
108
Thug Motivation 101
Aug 11th 2015
77
Trap Muzik
Aug 11th 2015
109
still classic. still an easy listen.
Aug 11th 2015
122
My favorite Tip album
Aug 11th 2015
123
Urban Legend (2004)
Aug 11th 2015
111
Personally my favorite T.I. album. Did a great job of being slightly
Aug 11th 2015
112
MOP - Warriorz
Aug 11th 2015
124
definitely classic
Aug 11th 2015
130
yup, no arguments
Aug 11th 2015
150

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