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"Anyone think Clarence Thomas may be right?"


  

          

in Obergefell v. Hodges, Clarence Thomas said this in his dissent:

Human dignity has long been understood in this country to be innate. When the Framers proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence that “all men are created equal” and “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,” they referred to a vision of mankind in which all humans are created in the image of God and therefore of inherent worth. That vision is the foundation upon which this Nation was built.

The corollary of that principle is that human dignity cannot be taken away by the government. Slaves did not lose their dignity (any more than they lost their humanity) because the government allowed them to be enslaved. Those held in internment camps did not lose their dignity because the government confined them. And those denied governmental benefits certainly do not lose their dignity because the government denies them those benefits. The government cannot bestow dignity, and it cannot take it away.

Of course, people understandably lost their shit.

Larry Wilmore does a good job of summing up the counter-argument:

“Do you even know what slavery is?” Wilmore asked. “Slavery is the complete stripping of humanity and dignity. That’s the point of slavery. When do you think slaves were whipped? Whenever they tried to dare to show any humanity or dignity.”


http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/larry-wilmore-clarence-thomas-is-exactly-wrong-on-slavery-and-human-dignity/


Now I get Wilmore's point of view but what I think Clarence Thomas means is that the government can TRY to take away a person's dignity but ultimately it's up to the person as to whether they lose their dignity because we are in control our dignity and humanity.

This makes me think about the woman who I call grandma who was a domestic. Though she lived in a beatdown trailer and scrubbed toilets for a living but I have always known her to be a dignified proud lady and a shining example of a good person.

I kind of get that if that is what CT is talking about.

But it is also kind of bullshit. We shouldn't have to quietly and dignified suffer. We shouldn't have to be Denzel Washington standing proud and tall looking white folks in the eye while being whipped like in Glory.

And whether or not the government can take away a person's dignity is irrelevant. The government should not be allow to even TRY and take away peoples dignity and humanity.


I doubt there is anyone who hates CT more than I do (and his wife is a close second on my list of people I hate most), but some times I do recognize a strand of very old school black thought that is someone radical is pre-integration and hinges on the idea of I ain't asking white folks for sh*t.

Clarence Thomas displays an anger that I recognize in a lot of older black men.

Other times I recognized that his self-loathing has reached peak self-loathing which is unimaginable for a person clearly so successful. I mean Herman Cain and Ben Carson are on some bullshit but

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Anyone think Clarence Thomas may be right? [View all] , Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Jul-01-15 08:51 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Clarence Thomas and "right" are antonyms
Jul 01st 2015
1
I got what he was trying to say.
Jul 01st 2015
2
So did I but I didn't feel like trying to defend his remarks
Jul 01st 2015
3
It's a correct statement made towards a bad/wrong vote.
Jul 01st 2015
4
it is all of our jobs to protect our own dignity.
Jul 01st 2015
5
He's absolutely right but he's using it for evil.
Jul 01st 2015
6
Yeah, It's might convenient for a slave owner or Nazi to be able to say....
Jul 01st 2015
9
I see what he's trying to do, but he's wrong as fuck.
Jul 01st 2015
7
i didn't read that, but i'm gonna go ahead and say no.
Jul 01st 2015
8
he's right in that the attempts to dehumanise us
Jul 01st 2015
10
i wish i had longer to break this down. he not 'completely' full of shit
Jul 01st 2015
11
The govt set the environment to strip away dignity
Jul 01st 2015
12
does it matter?
Jul 01st 2015
13
I think he is saying no one can take your dignity away. Think Walking De...
Jul 01st 2015
14
      what does that have to do with his vote against equal rights for us?
Jul 01st 2015
16
           You indirectly bring up a question I've always had.
Jul 01st 2015
19
                RE: You indirectly bring up a question I've always had.
Jul 01st 2015
21
                     uuh it's a little more than that.
Jul 01st 2015
24
                          Like I said...
Jul 01st 2015
27
                          Ah, ok. I figured it was just something that's been happening
Jul 01st 2015
31
Those rights are life, liberty and pursuit of happiness
Jul 01st 2015
15
how?
Jul 01st 2015
17
      Let's revise and say the gov't has VIOLATED our rights.
Jul 01st 2015
26
           I agree.
Jul 01st 2015
28
his narrow point is the consensus opinion among scholars of slavery
Jul 01st 2015
18
RE: his narrow point is the consensus opinion among scholars of slavery
Jul 01st 2015
20
I find this argument strangely convenient for him.
Jul 01st 2015
22
Oh extremely convenient. Kinda like Scalia arguing FOR diversity in
Jul 01st 2015
25
they can take away things that lead to a better sense of dignity
Jul 01st 2015
23
No, inalienable =/= invulnerable.
Jul 01st 2015
29
^ we see it.
Jul 01st 2015
30
*daps*
Jul 01st 2015
33
You think I feel for the okaydoke by considering?
Jul 01st 2015
34
what is the value in repeating the lie?
Jul 01st 2015
39
I am not talking to you. It's Spades opinion I'd like to hear.
Jul 01st 2015
42
      cool.
Jul 01st 2015
44
I do, or did.
Jul 01st 2015
48
*APPLAUSE*
Jul 01st 2015
35
CT seems to be saying that rebellion is okay then
Jul 01st 2015
32
yet we continue to reshape our nation as we see fit
Jul 01st 2015
36
      I respect your optimism, but I don't see any reshaping.
Jul 01st 2015
51
           do we have chattel slavery in the united states, or not?
Jul 01st 2015
57
                But I'm asking about white supremacy which is the problem
Jul 01st 2015
63
                     we can end white supremacy.
Jul 01st 2015
66
Being treated inhumanely can make you lose your mind...
Jul 01st 2015
37
nah, b. uncle clarence appropriates a half-read of black power.
Jul 01st 2015
38
^^
Jul 01st 2015
40
^
Jul 01st 2015
41
I agree with everything you said here.
Jul 01st 2015
43
I think I just caught the holy ghost.
Jul 01st 2015
45
I always think of the rose that grew out of concrete
Jul 01st 2015
46
^^^^^^^^^^
Jul 01st 2015
47
Bravo.
Jul 01st 2015
49
Can I have your autograph?
Jul 01st 2015
64
^^^ end of poast
Jul 01st 2015
67
U.S. of KKK A! - Rev. Wright
Jul 01st 2015
69
Thomas is right! It's a hard pill to swallow, but it's true.
Jul 01st 2015
50
we are united in our struggle against opression.
Jul 01st 2015
52
His dissenting vote was not about equality, it was about definition
Jul 01st 2015
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      we decided to have marriage equality and the matter is settled.
Jul 01st 2015
62
      We didn't decide anything, the court legislated from the bench.
Jul 01st 2015
72
           'the court legislated from the bench' <-- what's that mean?
Jul 01st 2015
74
           Word, what law did they write?
Jul 02nd 2015
76
      Defense of Marriage Act, 1996.
Jul 01st 2015
73
           Yeah, but, yall didn't have a referendum, right?
Jul 02nd 2015
75
Have you read The Bluest Eye?
Jul 01st 2015
65
      No. I will add it to my unending collection...
Jul 01st 2015
71
same idiocy as the black rebel flaggers "choice"
Jul 01st 2015
53
you forgot one choice....
Jul 01st 2015
54
thats not a choice, asshat.
Jul 01st 2015
55
      are we still chattel slaves?
Jul 01st 2015
58
      we are talking about agency.
Jul 01st 2015
60
IDK Ben. That's a bit extreme.
Jul 01st 2015
61
Does it matter?
Jul 01st 2015
56
he's right, philosophically - but what he fails to address
Jul 01st 2015
68
precisely, hard to imagine how a *judge* cannot see that!
Jul 04th 2015
78
Great post
Jul 01st 2015
70
In a word? No. To elaborate, fuck no.
Jul 03rd 2015
77
if only he had thought of this before he sexually harassed anita hill
Jul 04th 2015
79
^This is why he thinks this
Jul 04th 2015
80
Ha!
Jul 04th 2015
81

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