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JellyBean
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Mon Apr-27-15 09:56 AM

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"Can we have an open discussion about Transgendered people?"


  

          

This is brought to you by the little snippet of the Bruce Jenner interview I saw this morning


While I am all for the LGQBT equality, I must say that I take issue with transgendered life. Before you jump down my throat and call me a hypocrite, I have friends who live the transgendered life...they know my views and they also know I'll break knee caps if someone comes at them the wrong way. (that sounds very much like "I'm not racist, my best friends are black" argument)


The men who say things like I've always known I was a woman or I am woman born into a mans body...I'm sorry, but there is so much more to being a woman than having boobs, wearing make-up and dressing up. While I have no issue with being effeminate, I must say that it sometimes offends me. And vice versa for the women who have always known they were men. I imagine there is much more to being a man than having facial hair.

I admit I don't know the psychological aspects of transgendered life. I only know what my friends have shared with me. I still don't get it...I know it's not for me to "get" I'm just voicing my opinion, and like assholes, we all have opinions.


Can we talk about it? Can we be rational?

"Holier than thou never sits well with me."(c)janey

"OKP spends way too much time looking for ways to be offended." ~legsdiamond


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Can we have an open discussion about Transgendered people? [View all] , JellyBean, Mon Apr-27-15 09:56 AM
 
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do you want to talk or count how many ppl agree with you?
Apr 27th 2015
1
I actually want to talk about it
Apr 27th 2015
3
      your friends are probably better equipped to talk about it with you.
Apr 27th 2015
7
I think you run into trouble when you try to essentialize gender.
Apr 27th 2015
2
also their statement about being trapped in the wrong body
Apr 27th 2015
5
explain...
Apr 27th 2015
6
      you're essentializing what it means to be a woman.
Apr 27th 2015
11
           Yo, Jellybean, I think this would be a good place in the post for you to
Apr 27th 2015
22
                Being a woman to me is
Apr 27th 2015
39
                     so...
Apr 27th 2015
42
                          No
Apr 27th 2015
46
                               I really think I can dig that...
Apr 27th 2015
49
                               so it only counts if it happens when you are young?
Apr 27th 2015
50
                               she seems to believe women are BORN and not made.
Apr 27th 2015
53
                                    oh dear
Apr 27th 2015
55
                               plenty ppl aren't comfortable referring to trans folks as
Apr 27th 2015
54
i dont think its really about physical attributes
Apr 27th 2015
4
I understand what you mean when you say "feel"
Apr 27th 2015
9
They feel 'wrong' when they perform the gender that matches their sex.
Apr 27th 2015
there are plenty of things ppl feel without experiencing them
Apr 27th 2015
15
      RE: there are plenty of things ppl feel without experiencing them
Apr 27th 2015
25
           it's not genetically coded in me
Apr 27th 2015
28
           huh?
Apr 27th 2015
74
^^^
Apr 27th 2015
10
re: I admit I don't know the psychological aspects of transgendered life...
Apr 27th 2015
8
pretty much.
Apr 27th 2015
12
Yall stop..She trying to get educated
Apr 27th 2015
14
      i dont 'understand' what's going on in bruce jenner's mind & im not sure
Apr 27th 2015
19
           This is exactly where I am with it...
Apr 27th 2015
24
                maybe Bruce feels like he's
Apr 28th 2015
116
I think the issue is the
Apr 27th 2015
13
thats why I'm kinda glad about the jenner thing
Apr 27th 2015
16
yep
Apr 27th 2015
43
I think it's sad. Which is pretty much how I feel for those folks.
Apr 27th 2015
17
I used to believe transgender was a mental illness. I don't anymore
Apr 27th 2015
18
similar
Apr 28th 2015
90
i support 'em. i also respect their commitment to be true to themselves....
Apr 27th 2015
20
Right? That has to be the hardest shit ever
Apr 27th 2015
37
This is awful short-sighted of you.
Apr 27th 2015
21
your opinion is that you dont get their lifestyle?
Apr 27th 2015
23
There's Only One Thing That Throws Me Off
Apr 27th 2015
26
that's not common, I think.
Apr 27th 2015
27
      I wonder if there's a hesitation to identify as lez because
Apr 27th 2015
31
           That makes sense to me.
Apr 27th 2015
34
           this is where i am
Apr 27th 2015
44
being a woman is more than just wearing a dress and make up
Apr 27th 2015
29
This^^^^ some of us don't wear makeup and dresses.
Apr 27th 2015
32
I think she was saying other people try to make it that simple n/m
Apr 27th 2015
33
      and i'm saying that it's a slap in the face to transgender folks
Apr 27th 2015
35
           Hmm...
Apr 27th 2015
36
                yes we are
Apr 27th 2015
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                     Dat gaze
Apr 28th 2015
94
                     I think that somewhat validates her concern...
Apr 28th 2015
99
i don't get it either...but it's not for me to get. who am i to judge?
Apr 27th 2015
30
sure, we can talk about it, but we can't deny equal rights.
Apr 27th 2015
40
^^^ Yep...this too n/m
Apr 27th 2015
41
i agree 100%.
Apr 27th 2015
52
Did she say anything about denying rights?
Apr 27th 2015
58
      she didn't. it's a follow-up question based on the OP.
Apr 27th 2015
62
           That'd be a 180 based on the quote "I'm all for equal rights of trans
Apr 27th 2015
79
                it's hard to understand b/c of the other stuff in the OP.
Apr 27th 2015
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                     The other stuff in the OP suggests (and even outright says)
Apr 28th 2015
100
                          cool.
Apr 28th 2015
106
might be too hostile in here for this but
Apr 27th 2015
45
I'd also like to add
Apr 27th 2015
47
      do you support equal rights for Trans people?
Apr 27th 2015
48
           pretty much
Apr 27th 2015
51
           She said "I'm all for equal rights of trans people" IN the post.
Apr 27th 2015
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                This is what she said:
Apr 27th 2015
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                     Still, how did that come the suspicion that she'd deny them equal
Apr 28th 2015
101
                          the latter cancels out the former
Apr 28th 2015
105
How does someone born male know what womanhood feels like?
Apr 27th 2015
56
they 'know' that they feel wrong in their body
Apr 27th 2015
57
I feel like a white person in a black person's body.
Apr 27th 2015
60
      sure.
Apr 27th 2015
61
Seperate biological sex from gender. Remember that gender is performed.
Apr 27th 2015
59
Woman doesn't mean
Apr 27th 2015
68
      Many people critique the conflation of sex and gender as being
Apr 27th 2015
72
i used to think dat too but then i imagined havin to wear bra, panties n
Apr 27th 2015
63
      me too.
Apr 27th 2015
64
      that's all social conditioning. Its not intrinsically womanly
Apr 27th 2015
65
           gender = social conditioning.
Apr 27th 2015
66
           come on man, how many men you know dat could just throw on some lipstic...
Apr 27th 2015
67
                None because I don't know any men from cultures where
Apr 27th 2015
69
idc as long as they don't want to do professional athletics...
Apr 27th 2015
70
too bad (c) Renee Richards, trans woman/pro tennis athlete.
Apr 27th 2015
71
      lol #a!
Apr 27th 2015
73
      yeah SHE said after the fact she shouldn't have competed...
Apr 27th 2015
75
           too bad. b/c it's happening. (c) Fallon Fox, transwoman/pro MMA fighter...
Apr 27th 2015
76
           The playing field is never level.
Apr 28th 2015
86
                majorly relativist argument lmao
Apr 28th 2015
88
                     You're right, and I'm not saying that there should be no categories.
Apr 28th 2015
89
                          i dunno man, a 150 lb man vs a 150 lb woman is a huge difference
May 02nd 2015
120
all humans get human rights
Apr 27th 2015
77
I wonder how the discussion would change if we embraced the 3rd gender.
Apr 27th 2015
80
i liked that you used the term embraced
Apr 27th 2015
83
great point
Apr 27th 2015
84
I know at least two people that identify as neither or both male and fem...
May 02nd 2015
119
this is a tough conversation
Apr 27th 2015
85
*eyes roll*
Apr 28th 2015
91
*wheelbarrows them eyes back in place*
Apr 28th 2015
104
      oh please.
Apr 28th 2015
107
           RE: oh please.
Apr 28th 2015
109
                oh please.
Apr 28th 2015
110
                     last word
Apr 28th 2015
112
It's a pretty useless analogy.
Apr 28th 2015
92
      This conversation is only difficult if we reject trans ppl's understandi...
Apr 28th 2015
93
      Basically
Apr 28th 2015
97
      this is bullshit
Apr 28th 2015
103
There *is* more to being a woman than boobs/man than nuts, yes
Apr 28th 2015
87
^^ Most Underrated Reply in this Post ^^
Apr 28th 2015
113
I didn't get to participate in the
Apr 28th 2015
95
RE: I didn't get to participate in the
Apr 28th 2015
96
I dont feel its for me to fully understand. All I need to do is support.
Apr 28th 2015
98
is where I'm at with it.
Apr 28th 2015
102
BINGO.
Apr 28th 2015
108
it's not that difficult of a concept
Apr 28th 2015
115
I don't think you're supposed to say "Transgendered"
Apr 28th 2015
111
i was so bothered by that kind of talk on Wilborn's show.
Apr 28th 2015
114
      hmm. i legit read that somewhere last week.
May 01st 2015
117
           the 'ed'.
May 01st 2015
118
                that's absolutely what I meant.
May 03rd 2015
121

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