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65. "Respect to Pac and Big but....."
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What happens to Big's career when he realizes the ramifications of selling his publishing for $2 million? Life After Death does not sell 15 million copies if Big survives. Nas ethers Big before Jay gets to him if the sublims continue. Ghost and Rae have a conversation with Big as well as the legacy is tarnished even more. IF Puff allows Big to leave Bad Boy then the Lox don't go to Ruff Ryders because Puff keeps them. Everything else goes according to hip-hop history because Big falls off sooner rather than later. He's not remembered as the a great because fans have time to digest his material. If we're being honest part of Big's legacy is his early death. Give fans time to pick apart later material and we find out he's no Hov as far as historical output. Allegedly, Big was lazy so there's no way he's as popular as any of his contemporaries in 2015.

The what if scenario with Pac needs clarification. Does Suge Knight die in the shooting instead of Pac? This scenario assumes both Suge and Pac survive. Suge keeps bullying Pac to the point that Pac seeks an alliance with another label like Rap-A-Lot. Pac is a legend but more of an independent artist.

If Suge dies and Pac survives then the scenario is different. The west is more prominent as a result of Pac working with the youth at the time. Crooked I actually gets the look he deserved at the time. I see Pac as more of cultural figure in hip-hop. Imagine Common speaking like an eloquent black man that understands his history speaks like someone with some knowledge of self.

This idea that DMX, Drake, or Jay don't have careers or aren't as relevant is a joke because both Big and Pac peaked around the time of their death. Pac can't top the 7 Day Theory. Big can't top Life After Death. Both artists are legends but hip-hop fans are fickle and turn on both at some point after 1998.

  

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Who basically would not have/ had a career if Biggie & Pac were still he... [View all] , ThisIs_ATruthThang, Mon Mar-23-15 10:24 AM
 
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Biggie would have fallen off, and Pac would have found another way
Mar 23rd 2015
1
Double
Mar 23rd 2015
Noooooooo!!! Lol @ to die young
Mar 23rd 2015
2
Yea - I don't think Big would've fallen off LYRICALLY...
Mar 23rd 2015
13
I think his death is "fixed" in history
Mar 24th 2015
51
can't you argue that the late 90s would have been worst off if they
Mar 23rd 2015
3
I feel like Biggie still had a big presence though
Mar 23rd 2015
5
this is true but i'm saying it could have been worse if biggie pushed
Mar 23rd 2015
7
      See I totally still see DMX in the game & I see Pac fuckin with him HEAV...
Mar 23rd 2015
8
           "That nigga 2Pac can duck my dick!"
Mar 23rd 2015
11
           lol - well there goes that.
Mar 23rd 2015
17
           Yea, womp womp
Mar 23rd 2015
21
           wait wait wait...that line wasn't about K-solo?
Mar 24th 2015
61
           lmao DMX mediation
Mar 23rd 2015
18
what 3rd album? Surely you're not talking about Born Again
Mar 23rd 2015
43
      Lol...I did a double take too @ 3rd album
Mar 23rd 2015
46
           even worse, some of those verses were used previously too
Mar 24th 2015
48
                Yup...BIG had plans for a third but it wasn't that...
Mar 24th 2015
62
our greats didn't fall-- rap got neutered and or poisoned
Mar 23rd 2015
4
Pac would have gotten in Da Club.
Mar 23rd 2015
6
^ I agree 1000% But you think Pac wouldn't have started his own shit?
Mar 23rd 2015
9
We shook Dre punk ass, now we out of the closet
Mar 23rd 2015
37
Pac wouldn't even be rapping anymore.
Mar 23rd 2015
10
Puff Daddy
Mar 23rd 2015
12
i think of Jay Z when i think of the 'if big/pac were still alive' debat...
Mar 23rd 2015
14
Biggie might've gotten some of the beats Jay used.
Mar 23rd 2015
15
i think they're potential long term impact on Hip Hop is a bit
Mar 23rd 2015
16
Biggie's status is definitely overstated
Mar 23rd 2015
19
no.. just, NO!!!!
Mar 23rd 2015
26
Nas and Wu were just as big at biggie's time of death
Mar 23rd 2015
29
      and you see what they did without him..
Mar 23rd 2015
32
           What songs did Big have for the ladies?
Mar 24th 2015
66
both were
Mar 23rd 2015
44
      agreed
Mar 24th 2015
54
damnit, i can't believe i used the wrong "their".
Mar 23rd 2015
20
what other greats fell in HIP HOP like these 2? Eazy-E?
Mar 23rd 2015
24
      the way it's worded it kinda reads like all the greats have fallen.
Mar 23rd 2015
27
      the point is we have plenty living HH legends.
Mar 23rd 2015
28
           who? besides Jay who else is there?
Mar 23rd 2015
33
                Rakim ain't dead. KRS ain't dead. Busta ain't dead.
Mar 23rd 2015
36
                     Rakim, Kane, KRS.. definitely HH legends but never crossed over like the...
Mar 23rd 2015
45
                          LOL @ 'loyal female fanbase' being the difference-maker 17 years later
Mar 24th 2015
49
                               LL changed with the times...
Mar 24th 2015
52
                                    cool,Pac woulda been star of a sitcom on TBS' 'Very Funny' lineup by now
Mar 24th 2015
57
I think Jay copied a lot of Biggie's style, I think Big would've evolved...
Mar 23rd 2015
22
im a fan & all but there's nothing that suggests Big had business acumen
Mar 23rd 2015
23
Jay didn't have "business acumen" out the gate, Dame Dash taught him...
Mar 23rd 2015
31
sure he did, which is why he ended up coming out the way he came
Mar 24th 2015
50
2 mill.. crazy.
Mar 23rd 2015
34
RE: I think Jay copied a lot of Biggie's style, I think Big would've evo...
Mar 23rd 2015
25
According to Cipha on Juan Ep, Biggie hated being in the studio
Mar 23rd 2015
30
Pac would have been acting. Biggie making angry "fuck puff!" mixtapes
Mar 23rd 2015
35
if BIG was alive, kim would still be recognizable.
Mar 23rd 2015
38
      lol, the double-meaning here has me ctfu.
Mar 23rd 2015
39
what if Biggie left Bad Boy and joined Pac on Death Row?
Mar 23rd 2015
40
Jay Z basically has Chingy's caeer if those cats lived
Mar 23rd 2015
41
Jay z
Mar 23rd 2015
42
I really like Jay Z but Biggie's death freed up a lane
Mar 23rd 2015
47
I hear you but the truth is Jay-Z is Biggie 2.0
Mar 24th 2015
53
      No argument there but Biggie had to die for J to rise
Mar 24th 2015
56
I kinda feel like Beyonce's lane was opened with Aaliyah's death
Mar 24th 2015
55
LOL, Beyonce was already a way bigger star by 2001 than Aaliyah ever was
Mar 24th 2015
58
      You trying to re-write history here.
Mar 24th 2015
59
           please, Beyonce/Destiny's Child had 4 #1's by the time Aaliyah died
Mar 24th 2015
60
                yeah
Mar 24th 2015
63
                     lol
Mar 24th 2015
67
                     they are amazingly amusing little bunch, aren't they?
Mar 24th 2015
lol @ people thinking Jay would not have a career
Mar 24th 2015
64
I could see fans turning on both...
Mar 24th 2015
68
RE: Who basically would not have/ had a career if Biggie & Pac were stil...
Mar 24th 2015
69
does Big rhymin on Notorious Thugs speak to that?
Mar 24th 2015
70

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