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37. "Yes and no."
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It's an interesting dilemma: Facts vs. emotions.

In my very white experience, most (white) people's ideas of the US are based on what the Declaration and the Preamble say, and not on the practical specifics of what they meant at the time to the people writing and reading them.

I mean, everyone whose education was worth a damn knows that the Constitution considered a slave 3/5 of a person for a census, but not a person otherwise.
Everyone whose education was worth a damn knows what has gone on in the name of Christ for millennia.
Everyone knows Washington and Jefferson owned slaves.
Everyone knows we killed millions of natives, and continued to do so because they had the gall to fight against our people who tried to take their land.
Everyone knows about the WWII internment camps.

Everyone whose education was worth a damn knows these things, but for many non-critical thinkers, there's a difference between stating facts and outright acknowledging them as misdeeds, or drawing parallels between our past misdeeds and someone else's present misdeeds. Most people aren't balanced enough to handle it, especially not at a Prayer Breakfast, not the most tactful place to issue this reminder.

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Do Most Americans (i.e white folk) NOT think the US's history is F'd up? [View all] , Buddy_Gilapagos, Fri Feb-06-15 11:17 AM
 
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Yes n.m
Feb 06th 2015
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Moral relativism
Feb 06th 2015
2
Yup. Never forget an argument i had in the Bush era
Feb 06th 2015
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      ha!
Feb 06th 2015
12
the average white person has a "do what you gotta do" attitude
Feb 06th 2015
3
I lightweight hope this one blows up...
Feb 06th 2015
4
it'd be awesome if we had a week long national debate on this
Feb 06th 2015
9
how can you even be offended at what Obama said? facts are facts
Feb 06th 2015
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because it is not "their" facts lol
Feb 06th 2015
7
i could deal w/that stuff you read in the Economist
Feb 06th 2015
8
yep
Feb 06th 2015
10
I kept reading it waiting for the caveat or the asterisk.
Feb 06th 2015
11
RE: i could deal w/that stuff you read in the Economist
Feb 06th 2015
13
Perfect! The way it should have always been printed
Feb 06th 2015
22
yes
Feb 06th 2015
14
West Virginia Legislation Would Criminalize Teaching Social Problems Fir...
Feb 06th 2015
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. . .
Feb 06th 2015
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^^shit that's actually happening while people chase conspiracies
Feb 06th 2015
31
"I take for granted that everyone knows what BHO is saying is a fact."
Feb 06th 2015
17
They feel Manifest Destiny justifies everything. n/m
Feb 06th 2015
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yup.
Feb 06th 2015
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i remember saying that the manifest destiny was racist* in class
Feb 06th 2015
27
Certain parts of the country (the south) are still trying to justify shi...
Feb 06th 2015
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The term "War of Northern Aggression" is still heavily used today
Feb 06th 2015
21
Damn. This is the first time I've ever noticed this term
Feb 06th 2015
24
Most Americans don't know shit about shit unless it's sports
Feb 06th 2015
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ill never forget i was kickin it down in SC and i saw a white dude...
Feb 06th 2015
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Get over it. Stop making everything about race.
Feb 06th 2015
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I think I'd like to tape a bunch of children saying each of these lines....
Feb 06th 2015
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Archive!
Feb 06th 2015
29
about sums it up
Feb 09th 2015
32
nah...
Feb 09th 2015
35
      n/m
Feb 09th 2015
36
Lol speaking of this, i just watched Dinesh's new movie "America"
Feb 06th 2015
30
uh maybe you just found out abt Saul alinsky but...
Feb 09th 2015
33
I've been posting dark and angry lately. I think SAD is messing with me...
Feb 09th 2015
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^
Feb 10th 2015
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