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108. "Gotcha, still cherry picking. I tried to engage you."
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Wildly out of context copy and pastes and nindlessness (healthy or Unhealthy = binary? REALLY? You want to stand by that?!) don't convey personal understanding... you've got so much out of context in that post I can't even decide where to star... if only you'd keep yourself to two idiotic ideas per post my dualist brain might be able to decide.

Out of interest, why are you discussing this on a hiphop forum and not a philosophy one? Having discussed life and existence at length with a father and brother with phds in the subject, a best friend with a PhD in physics and an ex-girlfriend with one in Neuroscience, I'd just love to see how THAT goes. Normally I'm the idiot in these situations, it's nice to be on the other side of the net occasionally, I suppose.

>There many pairs on the human body, I did not say it was
>the only thing on the human body, however, you will still find
>sets of 2 within those organs. I'll list a few instances where
>this is the case.
>
>>1 brain
>
>-The brains of all species are composed primarily of two broad
>classes of cells: neurons and glial cells

>
>-The two neurotransmitters that are used most widely in the
>vertebrate brain are glutamate, which almost always exerts
>excitatory effects on target neurons, and gamma-aminobutyric
>acid (GABA), which is almost always inhibitory.
>
>-There are two types of sleep: REM sleep (with dreaming) and
>NREM (non-REM, usually without dreaming) sleep, which repeat
>in slightly varying patterns throughout a sleep episode.
>
>-2 Hemispheres. Brains without 2 hemispheres have been found
>but they are extremely rare. The consensus is that we have 2.
>
>>1 heart
>
>-1 heart which contracts and expands. The way it works is
>completely governed by duality.
>
>-The heart has four chambers, two upper atria, the receiving
>chambers, and two lower ventricle
>
>-Between the left atrium and left ventricle is the mitral
>valve, also known as the bicuspid valve due to its having two
>cusps, an anterior and a posterior medial cusp. These cusps
>are also attached via chordae tendinae to two papillary
>muscles projecting from the ventricular wall.
>
>
>
>>1 liver
>
>-Gross anatomy traditionally divided the liver into two – a
>right and a left lobe, as viewed from the front
>(diaphragmatic) surface; but the underside (the visceral
>surface) shows it to be divided into four lobes and includes
>the caudate and quadrate lobes.
>
>-Other anatomical landmarks exist, such as the ligamentum
>venosum and the round ligament of the liver (ligamentum teres)
>that further divide the left side of the liver in two
>sections.
>
>
>>1 pancreas
>
>-The pancreas is a secretory structure with a internal
>hormonal role (endocrine) and an external digestive role
>(exocrine). It has two main ducts, the main pancreatic duct,
>and the accessory pancreatic duct.
>
>>1 penis
>
>-2 testicles. Source of life.
>
>
>I'll stop here. As you can see, there are many pairs embedded
>into the anatomy. You can go on and research them yourself. It
>all depends on how you choose to look at it. You can take it
>at surface level and all it just a "liver", but on deeper
>inspection, there are actually 2 lobes, etc.
>
>>
>>Shall I continue or are we just ignoring all the
>ridiculously
>>important stuff that comes in 1s or other numbers? Just
>>blinkering ourselves to the twos?
>
>I think you should look at those organs in more detail and
>also look into fractals.
>
>>
>>>- Also, our organs function in a relationship of On and
>Off.
>>>Which is another duality. 2 lungs Inhale, and then Exhale.
>>All
>>>muscles contract, and expand.
>>
>>How else could either of those systems work then? Apply
>>Occam's Razor. How else can you get the oxygen from air and
>>lose the carbon dioxide without putting it somewhere,
>>processing it and then spitting out the waste?
>>
>>We breathe in and out because that's the only way breathing
>>makes sense. If we didn't breathe in we couldn't strip the
>air
>>of its oxygen. If we didn't breathe out, we'd explode after
>a
>>few minutes. It's obvious, isn't it?
>
>There are other ways to breathe. Certain organisms do not need
>a mouth or lungs to breathe. There are also 2 lungs in the
>human body which do the breathing.
>
>The point I am trying to illustrate is, that pairs come up a
>lot in the human anatomy, and this is reflected in our
>thinking as well.
>
>
>
>
>>Ancient mystics believed the world was flat and the stars
>were
>>gods too. Ancient mystics aren't often the best people to
>>consult in 2015, especially when you're going to try and
>>invoke quantum mechanics.
>
>Ugh. Not at all. This is Strawman. You would need to study
>theology and history in great depth in order to grasp the
>level of detail and knowledge the ancients had. None of them
>believed the stars were gods. Gods were allegorical symbols
>for the super physical forces of nature. That is why you had a
>god of summer, spring, winter, water, death, etc. You are
>completely misrepresenting the argument to make it easier to
>attack, based on completely personal and anecdotal assumptions
>which have no ground in the actual data.
>
>>
>>>
>>>- I find it compelling and interesting that our thinking is
>>>also governed by dualism: Good & Evil, Light & Dark,
>>Friendly
>>>& Unfriendly, Right & Wrong.
>>
>>Binary choices are easy to deal with. Our brain likes to be
>>reductive in order to increase efficiency and Yes/No 0/1
>>Good/Bad choices are the easiest to make. Most things have a
>>conceivable opposite and the diametrically opposed nature of
>>them makes deciding much easier than picking our favourite
>>shade of grey.
>>
>
>So you are an expert on how our brain works? Also, my point is
>that our thinking is based on dualism. Why it happens
>neurologically is not what I am investing, I am trying to
>figure out why we limit ourselves to two choices.
>
>>There's plenty of non binary choices in human life though.
>>Cherry picking the binary ones isn't really terribly fair.
>Are
>>the most important jobs we do every day binary? Choosing
>>something to eat from a planet full of choice? Picking a
>mate
>>from 3.5Bn candidates? Choosing an occupation? A favourite
>>subject? A forum to post your musings to? Favourite colour?
>>Your name?
>
>The most profound theories/ideas/realities which govern our
>lives are built only on pairs.
>
>Life/Death
>Freedom/Not Freedom
>War/Peace
>Expansion/Contraction (Big Bang model: Universe Expands,
>Gravity Contracts)
>etc etc.
>
>
>>
>>We're not; it's just a particularly common form of thinking.
>
>>
>
>We are. You are breathing in, and breathing out. You are
>considering right and wrong choices, you are considering
>existence and non existence, you are awake, or asleep. All
>sets of two!
>
>
>>
>>>If the human body inhales, and exhales, and if our muscles,
>>>contract, and expand, is that why we arrived at certain
>>>cosmological theories which imply the same relationships in
>>>the body of the universe? ie. The universe is expanding,
>and
>>>gravity is contracting. = Dualism.
>>
>>No. We found those rules by devising experiments and looking
>>at the results. We know the Universe is expanding because of
>>Red Shift... it's not something we dreamed up, it's
>something
>>we found out. The same cannot be said of your "ancient
>>mystics".
>>
>
>Once again, the big bang theory was predicted, not found. We
>have been seeking to prove it ever since, without much
>conclusive result.
>
>
>>>- Think about other profound examples: Life & Death, Love &
>>>Hate, Heaven & Hell. In almost any relevant instant you
>will
>>>find a relationship governed with a pair.
>>
>>Especially if you are only looking for things that fit this
>>mould. Life and Death is easy. How about "Health"? There's
>not
>>just "Healthy" and "Unhealthy" is there? It's an almost
>>infinitely complex scale for anyone, isn't it? Lots of our
>>qualities are like that.
>
>Healthy vs. Unhealthy exists.
>
>Either you are healthy or you are not. Simple.
>

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Philosophical Mind F*ck about the universe. [View all] , initiationofplato, Mon Feb-02-15 12:53 PM
 
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because your brain understands things in clusters.
Feb 02nd 2015
1
My brain of *two* hemisphere's is from this universe.
Feb 02nd 2015
2
bullshit.
Feb 02nd 2015
6
No.
Feb 02nd 2015
11
I can't believe I missed this dumb shit...
Feb 02nd 2015
49
that's some good shit ain't it...
Feb 02nd 2015
7
      bless his heart.
Feb 02nd 2015
12
           For some reason, I make you insecure, and
Feb 02nd 2015
14
                maybe you're projecting.
Feb 02nd 2015
15
                ^^^ this
Feb 02nd 2015
20
                     So it isnt just me then
Feb 02nd 2015
29
                          Definitely not just you
Feb 02nd 2015
35
                Dawg, shit was a joke. If you can't figure that out, log off of life.
Feb 02nd 2015
18
                I wasn't speaking to you.
Feb 02nd 2015
21
                nah Joe shut your simple minded shit down
Feb 02nd 2015
36
Someone was thinking about this before
Feb 02nd 2015
3
Exactly. I was hoping this symbol would come up.
Feb 02nd 2015
4
      it's a cool symbol.
Feb 02nd 2015
8
      there is a field of study that somewhat disagrees here
Feb 02nd 2015
24
that's the dialectic method
Feb 02nd 2015
5
these are all earth things you're listing. the 'universe' doesn't
Feb 02nd 2015
9
Of course it does, is the Earth not part of the universe??
Feb 02nd 2015
13
      A couple of your points here are invalid...
Feb 02nd 2015
28
So, I had a bit of an existential mind riot this weekend i.e.
Feb 02nd 2015
10
pairs is one thing. duality, antithesis, reciprocal/binary states is ano...
Feb 02nd 2015
16
One cannot exist without the other.
Feb 02nd 2015
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      as a concept to understand, yes. but as a state of being
Feb 02nd 2015
22
           In a state of being or concept, they cannot be separated.
Feb 02nd 2015
25
Postjack: The idea of death is becoming more real
Feb 02nd 2015
19
lol gotta love shrooms
Feb 02nd 2015
23
What does the obvious dualism that exists in our universe have to do
Feb 02nd 2015
26
Hey Jaden, take this shit back to twitter
Feb 02nd 2015
27
HIGHLY UNDERRATED
Feb 03rd 2015
65
lmfao
Feb 03rd 2015
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I can see now that this is the wrong forum for me.
Feb 02nd 2015
30
i did think about the question. and the observation still sucks.
Feb 02nd 2015
31
You posted about a revelatory ‘mind fuck’…
Feb 02nd 2015
32
Well there's more internet over there -->
Feb 02nd 2015
37
Yes it is the wrong forum for you
Feb 02nd 2015
55
#70
Feb 03rd 2015
75
That Katey Perry halftime had me tripping too, glad it wasn't just me
Feb 02nd 2015
33
best reply
Feb 02nd 2015
40
lol
Feb 02nd 2015
34
he's 33 years old
Feb 02nd 2015
41
      thats the same age jesus died at.
Feb 02nd 2015
45
           Jesus trained in the far east under Hindus and Buddhists
Feb 02nd 2015
50
           this is why our ppl fail-- please be joking
Feb 02nd 2015
52
                I am being an asshole.
Feb 02nd 2015
56
                it was great snark and U and PopGeorge came in here
Feb 02nd 2015
58
                     aye... I was sleepy as shit and in an extra pissy mood
Feb 02nd 2015
60
Atoms disappear and reappear?
Feb 02nd 2015
38
he's got ZERO grip on quantum theory/mechanics/computing
Feb 02nd 2015
39
no nm
Feb 02nd 2015
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      Yes they do.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           You're thinking of subatomic particles, not atoms.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           Thanks.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           Whole atoms? HIGHLY unlikely.
Feb 03rd 2015
93
Bah I think you guys are being a bit too hard on the original poster
Feb 02nd 2015
42
it would be different if this was the first time...
Feb 02nd 2015
46
“Don't read this post if you do not want to be challenged”
Feb 02nd 2015
51
      especially when the content is remedial at best
Feb 02nd 2015
53
bilateral symmetry in biology was an adaptation to directional movement
Feb 02nd 2015
43
I got this in my facebook feed this week:
Feb 02nd 2015
47
which drugs?
Feb 02nd 2015
48
LMAO this is like a jimmy Kimmel bit where
Feb 02nd 2015
54
Science education is important n/m
Feb 02nd 2015
57
lol
Feb 02nd 2015
59
LOL
Feb 02nd 2015
61
If the weedman had Yelp, this would be an amazing review.
Feb 02nd 2015
62
PING
Feb 03rd 2015
64
Okay, that's funny.
Feb 03rd 2015
73
You seem to have discovered the concept of opposite.
Feb 03rd 2015
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I do not believe "opposites" are possible.
Feb 03rd 2015
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      RE: I do not believe "opposites" are possible.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           That's not what I mean.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                RE: That's not what I mean.
Feb 03rd 2015
80
                     I simply do not see it that way.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                          Hmm. I'll try for a little longer.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                               I was using your word to illustrate an idea.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                    Life and Death exist on the same scale, yes.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                         It's just 1 coin. That's my point.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                              Correct.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                   Are you serious or being facetious?
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                        I'm serious.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                             Okay cool.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                                  RE: Okay cool.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                                       RE: Okay cool.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                                                 How is it out of context? lol
Feb 03rd 2015
109
Your choice of "two's" is mad arbitrary and cherry picked at the same ti...
Feb 03rd 2015
67
But.. He EATS, and also SHITS!! He DRINKS and PISSES!! GET IT??!!
Feb 03rd 2015
82
You're right some of those were incorrect.
Feb 03rd 2015
87
not to add to the dogpile here but I really wish you'd refrain from--
Feb 03rd 2015
68
Explain.
Feb 03rd 2015
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spare me. please nm
Feb 03rd 2015
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Let's try this again.
Feb 03rd 2015
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Let's not. There's absolutely nothing to what you're saying
Feb 03rd 2015
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      I will say this to you only once.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           he's telling the truth
Feb 03rd 2015
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           Truth is relative.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                You began the entire post with rudeness
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     I apologize if that offended you.
Feb 03rd 2015
100
                          Coloring outside the lines doesn't make one creative
Feb 03rd 2015
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           lol, who the fuck is Mark?
Feb 03rd 2015
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                he does that when someone calls him Bartek
Feb 03rd 2015
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Two mind-blowing words: one heart
Feb 03rd 2015
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You tell that to Doctor Who.
Feb 03rd 2015
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but, but - there are FOUR quadrants!
Feb 03rd 2015
105
I have a genuine question. What were you expecting to happen here?
Feb 03rd 2015
101
To be honest, I didn't think anyone would read it.
Feb 03rd 2015
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