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John Forte
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"Explain to me why this new protest movement doesn't need a leader?"


          

The Arab Spring is the most common answer to the question, but the Arab Spring didn't serve to build anything. It did a good job of tearing down oppressive regimes, but it failed to build anything because there was no guiding force.

Without leaders, who are the powers that be going to negotiate with? Who gets invited to sit-downs at the White House or governor's mansion?

  

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Explain to me why this new protest movement doesn't need a leader? [View all] , John Forte, Fri Jan-16-15 09:08 AM
 
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It's a network instead of command and control.
Jan 16th 2015
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^^^^ that and clear leaders today
Jan 16th 2015
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imagine all the women coming forward to descredit MLK
Jan 16th 2015
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it's just way easier to do nowadays
Jan 16th 2015
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they do the same thing with politicians anyway, do we have any leaders.....
Jan 16th 2015
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      not all pols but the more extreme pols definitely are more likely
Jan 16th 2015
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           hello
Jan 16th 2015
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           true
Jan 16th 2015
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           sometimes ppl ask me to run for office
Jan 16th 2015
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                right?
Jan 16th 2015
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                     yeah. i like to call that "pulling an 8-mile"
Jan 16th 2015
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                          ha!
Jan 16th 2015
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           exactly.
Jan 16th 2015
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Network implies organization
Jan 16th 2015
10
      it can also mean a relatively loose connection
Jan 16th 2015
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      So there will be "executive level" leadership, but on the regional level
Jan 16th 2015
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           there are leaders, yes.
Jan 16th 2015
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      When I saw network I was thinking more like the internet
Jan 16th 2015
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Not ready for one.
Jan 16th 2015
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but even when MLK was THE GUY, he wasn't the only guy
Jan 16th 2015
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      Sure, I do think it's necessary eventually too...
Jan 16th 2015
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cointelpro.
Jan 16th 2015
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Yup.
Jan 16th 2015
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how to we know the leaders aren't cointelpro?
Jan 16th 2015
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See Bro, you are trying to make sense. Stop it.
Jan 16th 2015
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And I think these issues are national
Jan 16th 2015
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even if that's so
Jan 16th 2015
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there wasn't one singular leader of the CRM either
Jan 16th 2015
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I don't think he said there needed to be a "singular leader"
Jan 16th 2015
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      if you don't think there's any organization to what's going on now,
Jan 16th 2015
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           I never said that. Y'all love making up crap to make a point
Jan 16th 2015
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                not makint things up at all
Jan 16th 2015
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                     Name one great lasting movement that didn't have designated Leadership?
Jan 16th 2015
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                          #25
Jan 16th 2015
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                          Not even. That Gay Marriage movement is highly organized
Jan 16th 2015
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                               Okay...name the leaders
Jan 16th 2015
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                                    Here goes my answer.
Jan 16th 2015
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                                         What makes them as leaders different from
Jan 16th 2015
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                                              Who said Sharpton and Crumb were the leaders?
Jan 16th 2015
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                                                   so what keeps them from being leaders?
Jan 16th 2015
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                                                        Answer my question first.
Jan 16th 2015
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                                                             In this post nobody
Jan 16th 2015
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                                                                  No. You asked for names. I just gave two.
Jan 16th 2015
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                          there is organized leadership that's what you are failing to understand
Jan 16th 2015
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                          OMG I never said that there's no organized leadership WTF!
Jan 16th 2015
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                          women's rights/women's suffrage.
Jan 16th 2015
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                               I never mentioned a Figure Head, but they did have organized leadership
Jan 16th 2015
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                                    this discussion is about a figure head though.
Jan 16th 2015
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                                         it's about both
Jan 16th 2015
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                                              Right and I asked the same in Post #39
Jan 16th 2015
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                                              it's not clear yet.
Jan 16th 2015
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                                                   RE: it's not clear yet.
Jan 16th 2015
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                                                        none of my replies are directed at you personally
Jan 16th 2015
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                                                             they haven't tried.
Jan 16th 2015
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                                                             Dude, I never said that there isn't any organization
Jan 16th 2015
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when that person shows up, power structure will kill or imprison him/her...
Jan 16th 2015
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so, you scurred?
Jan 16th 2015
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hell yeah and so are you.
Jan 16th 2015
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But Bin, that won't happen because they don't need a leader.
Jan 16th 2015
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look @ the gay marriage issue.
Jan 16th 2015
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RE: look @ the gay marriage issue.
Jan 16th 2015
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can you name a single person who is the leader?
Jan 16th 2015
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      RE: can you name a single person who is the leader?
Jan 16th 2015
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           all of that hasn't come together yet.
Jan 16th 2015
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                RE: all of that hasn't come together yet.
Jan 16th 2015
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                     yeah
Jan 16th 2015
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                     and that movement fizzled out
Jan 16th 2015
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                          RE: and that movement fizzled out
Jan 16th 2015
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I knew someone would bring this up
Jan 16th 2015
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it's a state's rights issue that needs to be decided
Jan 16th 2015
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It doesn't need leadership because it's following the path of
Jan 16th 2015
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      k.
Jan 16th 2015
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      it also had a very clear-cut agenda with clear solutions
Jan 16th 2015
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           and it definitely has leadership.
Jan 16th 2015
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           Right. The goal was gay marriage.
Jan 16th 2015
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they negotiate by committee. bottom up. better than cuomo+jiggaman
Jan 16th 2015
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Little focus, little accomplished and
Jan 16th 2015
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i'm reading some replies and its almost like people just don't want to
Jan 16th 2015
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you see it.
Jan 16th 2015
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I've been to protests and felt like I was shouting into the void
Jan 16th 2015
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step into the void, fam.
Jan 16th 2015
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from what i've witnessed on twitter and such
Jan 16th 2015
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      What are the goals?
Jan 16th 2015
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           the main goal is for reform in law enforcement.
Jan 16th 2015
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                That is a general idea, not really a goal.
Jan 16th 2015
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                     help out then.
Jan 16th 2015
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                     I'm building something locally that has the ability to go national.
Jan 16th 2015
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                          that's great.
Jan 16th 2015
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                     lol
Jan 16th 2015
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                          Like I said, general ideas.
Jan 16th 2015
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                               lol
Jan 16th 2015
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                                    RE: lol
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any movements
Jan 16th 2015
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Occupy Wall Street is the poster child for these new movements
Jan 16th 2015
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      Exactly, long-term visibility.
Jan 16th 2015
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      i personally think occupy wall street was hijacked by cointelpro early
Jan 16th 2015
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      no results?
Jan 16th 2015
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      except OWS was not the origin of the occupy movement
Jan 16th 2015
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           I'm not obstinate. I readily admit that others know more than I
Jan 16th 2015
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                ?
Jan 16th 2015
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                     that wasn't directed at you
Jan 16th 2015
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RE: i'm reading some replies and its almost like people just don't want ...
Jan 16th 2015
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You think these movements started on their own?
Jan 16th 2015
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word.
Jan 16th 2015
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Rahiel Tesfamariam has been highly visible recently
Jan 16th 2015
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people really do think that
Jan 16th 2015
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      blacklivesmatter was an organization that started in response to the
Jan 16th 2015
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There ARE leaders. Is the problem that yall don't know who they are?
Jan 16th 2015
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Nigga if you don't gtfoh with that smug shit
Jan 16th 2015
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^^^ Old and lazy
Jan 16th 2015
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or maybe you should just sit this out.
Jan 16th 2015
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again, smug and dismissive. This is not how you build
Jan 16th 2015
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      lol did you read what you wrote? and you talk about dismissive lol
Jan 16th 2015
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           agreed.
Jan 16th 2015
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           this ain't dismisive to you?
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                it isnt
Jan 16th 2015
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                This isn't how movements work
Jan 16th 2015
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                     underground railroad had critical mass and knew how to find each other
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                     A) no the fuck it didn't
Jan 16th 2015
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                          A) Yes it did B) Calm the fuck down I'm Bryan in IT who is on your side.
Jan 16th 2015
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                          Keisha and Daquan are on social media though, player.
Jan 16th 2015
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                               i don't trust half of what I see on Twitter.
Jan 16th 2015
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                                    Treat it like wikipedia.
Jan 16th 2015
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                                    it's full of those damned kids who won't get off your lawn.
Jan 16th 2015
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                                         and false flag operations, but I'll let you cook
Jan 16th 2015
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                                              ...which offers a convenient excuse for inaction.
Jan 17th 2015
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                     wat?
Jan 16th 2015
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                          and this is why nothing gets acomplished
Jan 16th 2015
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                Get in where you fit in and help where you can.
Jan 16th 2015
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I understand, man. That's my focus - opening up that data
Jan 16th 2015
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      The day before Thanksgiving I was moved to drive down to Ferguson
Jan 16th 2015
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           here's a short-list thus far
Jan 16th 2015
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           Thanks. You're doing good work, peep hame:
Jan 16th 2015
                Not just me doing the work. There's other contributors, too.
Jan 16th 2015
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           Sorry, but this response just struck me as so strange
Jan 16th 2015
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           I'm a married father of two
Jan 16th 2015
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                Are you marching this weekend?
Jan 16th 2015
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           BlackLivesMatter has a website, with a Contact Us page.
Jan 16th 2015
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                I did not,and you want to know why?
Jan 16th 2015
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                     Why didn't you email them to find out?? Here's a name: Darnell L. Moore
Jan 16th 2015
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                          Old & Lazy
Jan 16th 2015
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                          Contribute, dammit!
Jan 16th 2015
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                          Tried to add under Leaders
Jan 16th 2015
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                               I can help!
Jan 16th 2015
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                                    Thanks, will inbox you after work
Jan 16th 2015
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                                         Thanks for helping! Need all the help we can get.
Jan 16th 2015
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                          thank you
Jan 16th 2015
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RE: There ARE leaders. Is the problem that yall don't know who they are?
Jan 16th 2015
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Michael Brown was murdered six months ago
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...
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Trayvon Martin- 2012, Oscar Grant - 2009, Amadou Diallo - 2000
Jan 16th 2015
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nope. those people are lazy and out of touch
Jan 16th 2015
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Rodney King riots happened when??? 1992.
Jan 16th 2015
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RE: Michael Brown was murdered six months ago
Jan 16th 2015
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^^^^^^^
Jan 16th 2015
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You all can always fill in gaps where it's needed.
Jan 16th 2015
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i may be back later to explain why "you" don't see one
Jan 16th 2015
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Thank you. I believe you have valuable information to share
Jan 16th 2015
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man...
Jan 16th 2015
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Start @ http://thedemands.org and http://wetheprotesters.org
Jan 16th 2015
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The myth is that there no leaders the fact is the media has wised up
Jan 16th 2015
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By the way, I'd like to thank all of you for participating in this discu...
Jan 16th 2015
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i don't seek to understand it in the light of past movements.
Jan 16th 2015
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My takeaway from this post
Jan 17th 2015
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ridicule wasn't for you not knowing
Jan 17th 2015
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      That wasn't it at all. I'll admit I didn't properly articulate my frustr...
Jan 17th 2015
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      There shouldn't have been ridicule at all
Jan 17th 2015
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Why the need to go in on John Forte?
Jan 17th 2015
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I actually went back and re-read
Jan 17th 2015
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      It sounds like what you are seeking is the ACLU
Jan 17th 2015
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Leaders from Ferguson were already at the White House
Jan 18th 2015
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Watching Eyes on the Prize made me think on this post (list of leaders)
Jan 24th 2015
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Thaks for this
Jan 24th 2015
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The list has expanded recently
Jan 24th 2015
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So we started a group of B/black devs dedicated to #BlackLivesMatter
Jan 24th 2015
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I was like word!? Then saw the GitHub link
Jan 28th 2015
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THE NEW LEADERS OF SOCIAL JUSTICE (links)
Jan 28th 2015
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