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73. "Atlantic Cities was listening. Whole article on Staten Island"
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It's Far Too Simple to Dismiss Staten Island for 'Being Staten Island'

http://www.citylab.com/politics/2014/12/its-too-simple-to-dismiss-staten-island-for-being-staten-island/383458/

First, you need to know that Staten Island is geographically and, arguably, culturally closer to New Jersey than the rest of New York City. There are three bridges that connect the borough to Chris Christie’s domain; only one, the Verrazano, spans the Narrows between Staten Island and Brooklyn. It’s also important to note that the Brooklyn-Staten Island connector was built in 1964, a good 36 years after the first New Jersey bridge was completed, though the borough had already been part of the larger city for nearly 70 years. And Staten Island is still not connected to New York City’s sprawling subway system (though it does have a ferry).

Staten Island is also an island of homeowners in a city of renters, which undoubtedly affects its politics. Kramer and Flanagan, the historians, note that 71 percent of Staten Island’s housing is occupied by homeowners, leaving 29 percent to renters. In New York City at large, those ratios are almost completely reversed: 34 percent are homeowners, and 66 percent are renters. Staten Island is also dominated by families, with 56 percent of its households headed by married couples, compared to 36 percent in NYC.

The island’s development history explains some of these numbers. Its population, which exploded after the completion of the Verrazano, became increasingly composed of ex-Brooklynites in search of suburbia-lite: larger homes, green lawns, a garage. There was a racial component to the Staten Island exodus, too. The opening of the Verrazano coincided with a wave of violent civil disturbances. In July of 1964, the killing of a 15-year old black teenager by a white off-duty police officer sparked six days of riots in the majority black neighborhoods of Harlem and Bedford-Stuyvesant. These events had a deep and lasting impact on the racial geography of New York City, not least because many Irish and Italian Brooklynites decided to abandon their apartments for a newly accessible borough. As Kramer and Flanagan write, “‘White flight’ … is one of the primary causes of the population boom after the opening of the Verrazano Bridge in 1964.”

Does that story sound familiar? It should. The story of Staten Island mirrors the story of so many major American suburbs. It happened in New York City and Detroit and Minneapolis and Philadelphia and Los Angeles and in nearly every other major city in this country.

“Staten Island numbers, in terms of partisanship and ideology, match up pretty well with the rest of the country,” Flanagan told public radio host Brian Lehrer in 2012. “It looks pretty ordinary.”

“Staten Island being Staten Island” is an attractive thought, particularly to New Yorkers, because it allows them to imagine that what happened to Eric Garner occurred in a somewhat farther away, vaguely distant land. If Staten Island is truly just a little more racist than the rest of the city, then that at least offers an explanation in this case. But the data, of course, show that police brutality is a nationwide problem, one that's compounded by just how poorly the authorities keep track of how often they injure and kill. Staten Island isn't the New York exception; in all probability, it's the rule.

  

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What is it like living in NYC? [View all] , lightworks, Mon Dec-08-14 10:29 AM
 
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There is simply no way to answer this question.
Dec 08th 2014
1
nah she can just not eat for 36 hours and break her fast with
Dec 08th 2014
8
lord
Dec 08th 2014
2
No...just no.
Dec 08th 2014
3
ay i have a can of chef boyardee
Dec 08th 2014
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      haha
Dec 08th 2014
11
      can of mushroom'll get you a free box of uncle sam's
Dec 08th 2014
12
           EATIN GOOD!
Dec 08th 2014
13
god....
Dec 08th 2014
5
there's an art opening tonight. FREE CHEESE
Dec 08th 2014
6
      I'll bring juice boxes of wine and nutcrackers!
Dec 08th 2014
33
We all ride to work on unicorns and eat free at Momofuko every day.
Dec 08th 2014
7
haha
Dec 08th 2014
9
Lol
Dec 08th 2014
10
try and find a rent control apt
Dec 08th 2014
14
rent stabilized, not rent control
Dec 08th 2014
15
      thanks for clearing that up
Dec 08th 2014
16
      yeah shut that shit down T.
Dec 09th 2014
127
We don't promise no killing
Dec 08th 2014
17
Have you tried being white?
Dec 08th 2014
18
iHowled.
Dec 08th 2014
20
Wightworks?
Dec 09th 2014
97
How many roommates you want? 5-10?
Dec 08th 2014
19
that is insane...
Dec 08th 2014
21
my brother lives in brooklyn on far less.
Dec 08th 2014
22
      That's why I hate these "what it costs to live in NYC" posts
Dec 08th 2014
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           STFU THIS IS OKP FACTS ARE TOATALLY IRRELEVANT IDC IDC IDC
Dec 08th 2014
48
I'd make recommendations but people flinch when you say
Dec 08th 2014
23
People are paying more to live in Bed Stuy than UES now
Dec 08th 2014
25
      UES was like that after 9/11
Dec 08th 2014
26
      They're all moving to the Heights, Harlem and my neighborhood.
Dec 08th 2014
27
           stop, just stop
Dec 08th 2014
29
           Ain't nobody moving to The Bronx from okp.
Dec 08th 2014
36
           And here: My annual plug for the South Bronx
Dec 08th 2014
32
           Man, they still do Operation Impact over there.
Dec 08th 2014
39
                white people? On Alexander Avenue? *faints*
Dec 08th 2014
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                Took these photos just yesterday right on Alexander:
Dec 09th 2014
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           RE: They're all moving to the Heights, Harlem and my neighborhood.
Dec 08th 2014
84
                Man, ain't a single OKP moving to The Bronx Riviera. Neeyope.
Dec 08th 2014
87
All you jokers....yes, with a roommate(s), you can
Dec 08th 2014
28
If you know how to budget you can def live in one of the boroughs
Dec 08th 2014
30
I could not live w/ a roommate in my mid 30's...
Dec 08th 2014
31
it's the coolest place ever.
Dec 08th 2014
34
You didn't tell her about the free weed and complimentary mimosas.
Dec 08th 2014
38
I wonder how big the difference is btwn living in NYC and DC on $50K
Dec 08th 2014
35
yea, but they got connections
Dec 08th 2014
37
I don't know many 25-32-year-old DC ppl who live without a roommate.
Dec 08th 2014
43
      eek! @ any adult living w/ a roomate by choice, fuck that
Dec 08th 2014
46
      Where do you live?
Dec 08th 2014
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      without a roomate. *shudders at the thought of living WITH one*
Dec 08th 2014
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           Your avoidance of my simple question speaks volumes. LOL
Dec 08th 2014
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                LMAO, swear to god this post will go plat off the revelation
Dec 08th 2014
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                     Whatever takes the pain away, sweetie
Dec 08th 2014
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      Yeah I couldn't do a roommate past 27, but that's part of the NYC
Dec 08th 2014
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           I'm curious: Do most of your friends in DC live alone?
Dec 09th 2014
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                More than half do. One had a temporary roommate but that was never
Dec 09th 2014
134
                     Damn, I need richer friends
Dec 09th 2014
135
      I had a roommate at 31 in Brooklyn
Dec 09th 2014
117
That's actually an interesting thought...
Dec 08th 2014
40
5-10 years ago i would...today...not really
Dec 08th 2014
41
Three things about DC/staffers
Dec 08th 2014
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      I'm gagging at 6-8 roommates.
Dec 08th 2014
51
NYC without rats/roaches on the sidewalk among the garbage?
Dec 08th 2014
44
About half of NYC is suburban.
Dec 08th 2014
45
      That's the most NY-centric reply ever
Dec 08th 2014
47
      nah i'd have to agree with him
Dec 08th 2014
49
      SeasonedVet is dead wrong
Dec 08th 2014
52
      we are getting into diff definitions of urban now
Dec 08th 2014
57
      They're urban in the sense that North Jersey is urban.
Dec 08th 2014
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      Basically
Dec 08th 2014
66
      that's because LA for the most part is suburban.
Dec 08th 2014
81
      as the head Queens okp in charge, I will +1 this
Dec 08th 2014
56
           I lived in Kew Gardens
Dec 08th 2014
61
           same thing i thought watching those LA movies
Dec 08th 2014
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           WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU, YOU NEED MORE PEOPLE
Dec 08th 2014
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                Flushing pop density >> San Francisco pop density
Dec 08th 2014
72
                He said bayside had a higher pop density than DC, not flushing
Dec 08th 2014
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                     Bayside often gets lumped in with Flushing
Dec 09th 2014
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           my parents live on LI
Dec 08th 2014
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                yeah if you don't know any better per se
Dec 08th 2014
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      I mean...
Dec 08th 2014
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      Maspeth
Dec 08th 2014
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           And Middle Village. But yeah chroo.
Dec 08th 2014
69
      Forte's point still stands - everyone disagreeing is comparing metro NYC
Dec 09th 2014
125
      My sisters live in Canarsie and that shit feels like a suburb to me
Dec 09th 2014
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           That's because a lot of it is
Dec 09th 2014
116
life is fun
Dec 08th 2014
59
it's rough. i had to stab a rat for pizza money after selling off my kid...
Dec 08th 2014
67
It's ok except for all the breakdancin'......
Dec 08th 2014
70
affordable, cool, always safe: choose 2
Dec 08th 2014
75
also: nothing is always safe
Dec 08th 2014
77
      so. effin. true.
Dec 08th 2014
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THE END HAS COME: Inside Ridgewood's First Craft Cocktail Bar
Dec 08th 2014
79
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE
Dec 08th 2014
80
makes sense, I know of a few hipsters who've called that place home for ...
Dec 08th 2014
82
my friend lives in ridgewood
Dec 09th 2014
92
I love Ridgewood. I live very close and I'm always there food shopping.
Dec 09th 2014
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      great observation
Dec 09th 2014
126
I feel like being broke in NYC is a young persons game (girls especially...
Dec 08th 2014
83
Whats wrong with ramen. Everyone in NY eats ramen nightly
Dec 08th 2014
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fresh ramen is payday, instant ramen is the day before payday
Dec 09th 2014
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      yup
Dec 09th 2014
93
Oh yeah and Brooklyn the first outer bro getting an Apple Store
Dec 09th 2014
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I'm surprised it took this long
Dec 09th 2014
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Fuck that, that joint should be in fulton mall.
Dec 09th 2014
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      agreed. i really don't get why fulton mall isnt popping like that
Dec 09th 2014
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           Every white college student who dreams of moving to BK
Dec 09th 2014
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           Fulton Mall will probably look like every other promenade in 10 years
Dec 09th 2014
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                its already happening
Dec 09th 2014
107
friend lives in astoria solo making about that...depends on what you mea...
Dec 09th 2014
95
btw...this chick on my bowling league was going on and on about how she
Dec 09th 2014
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      it builds character.
Dec 09th 2014
102
      I applaud your restraint
Dec 09th 2014
122
when i moved to nyc in 2000, i was making 26K
Dec 09th 2014
100
and I bet you didn't have a car or a cellphone
Dec 09th 2014
123
I can't figure out if I love or hate these NYC posts
Dec 09th 2014
104
Same.
Dec 09th 2014
105
i hate them b/c the questions that spark them are usually dumb
Dec 09th 2014
108
      I feel like I should bring coffee cake.
Dec 09th 2014
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      that's exactly where I am.
Dec 09th 2014
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      SoBroOOOOO!
Dec 09th 2014
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      to be fair NYC does huff itself on hype. So people pause
Dec 09th 2014
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      Crime/Big and bad?
Dec 09th 2014
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           short term and long term transplants
Dec 09th 2014
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                why are you even listening to New Rock transplants?
Dec 10th 2014
136
      my favorite part is how us natives will talk mad shit about boroughs etc...
Dec 09th 2014
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Can't believe I've been here 5yrs already. Time flies
Dec 09th 2014
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My theory is that the only difference between BK and Richmond, Pittsburg...
Dec 09th 2014
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Here's what kills your theory
Dec 09th 2014
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it's the waterfront + manhattan
Dec 09th 2014
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      Interesting that you say that.
Dec 09th 2014
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A high-rise suburb with taxis and rats
Dec 09th 2014
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What a fantastically stupid answer. Tell me more.
Dec 09th 2014
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      lol.
Dec 09th 2014
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      im sorry i wounded you
Dec 09th 2014
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           MOAR. GIVE US MOAR TRUTHS.
Dec 10th 2014
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