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https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/tips/car-underwater-escape-bridge-collapse/

How to escape if your car goes underwater
Exiting the car in the first minute it begins to sink improves your chance of survival

By Andrea Sachs and Gabe Hiatt
March 26, 2024 at 1:48 p.m. EDT

A remaining section of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore after it collapsed when a cargo ship hit a support structure. (Ricky Carioti/The Washington Post)

It’s a nightmare scenario for drivers: Your car leaves the road and plunges into water, transforming your vehicle into a sinking trap.
The collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge into the Patapsco River early Tuesday may have stoked fears that you could encounter a similar catastrophe in your own car. Officials with the Baltimore fire department said sonar has detected vehicles submerged in the water, but it was unclear whether anyone was inside.
A distress call from the freighter that crashed into the bridge and caused the collapse gave officials time to halt more vehicle traffic over the bridge, said Maryland Gov. Wes Moore (D). As of midday Tuesday, two workers had been rescued from a crew that was repairing potholes on the Key Bridge; six workers were still missing.
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In the right conditions, drivers who stay calm have a chance to escape an underwater car. In 2013, a 22-year-old woman from Calvert County, Md., survived after her car went off the side of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge and fell 27 feet into the water.
One minute to get out
Thermal physiologist Gordon Giesbrecht, a retired University of Manitoba professor with an expertise in vehicle submersion and hypothermia, said passengers have one minute to rescue themselves from a sinking car. Once the vehicle becomes even partially submerged, the odds of survival are slim.
“A minute is kind of an average number,” Giesbrecht said. “So the windows will certainly work for 60 seconds, but if you know what you’re doing, you can open that window in 10 or 15 seconds.”
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He said travelers should memorize the acronym SWOC:
Seat belts off.
Windows open.
Out immediately.
Children first.

“A lot of people think you should open the doors, which you shouldn’t,” Giesbrecht said. “The car is just going deeper and deeper, and once the water gets up against the window, then you won’t even be able to open the window. So you’ve got to get that window open as soon as you can.”
Giesbrecht said electric windows should still operate within a minute “because your ignition was on.”
When helping children, push the oldest out first so you can help the youngest passengers. Giesbrecht said it is easier to push than pull passengers out, so remain in the car until your dependents have safely evacuated.
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Cars in deep water typically sink nose first, so you can buy a few more seconds by exiting out a back window. If there’s a release button in the front seat for a rear hatch, then you can escape through the back, but don’t waste time trying to locate it.

Once the car begins to sink nose down, the passengers will start to run out of air. Any air bubbles will escape out the back. In shallower water, a car might descend horizontally, so passengers could sustain themselves on a trapped air pocket, but Giesbrecht said this scenario is “very rare.”
Tools don’t work on laminated glass
According to Giesbrecht, smashing a car window is not feasible. Cars that have laminated windows instead of tempered glass are resistant to hard force; not one of the six tools tested in a AAA study were able to break through. A label on the bottom corner of a side window will identify tempered or laminated glass, but that helps only if you have it memorized.

Giesbrecht said that, when you have only a minute to save yourself, it’s not worth the time to search for an instrument.
“Very few people could ever break a window in the first place,” he said. “Once the physics of the water changes, you can’t break the window anyway, even if you had a hammer.”
Once you’re in the water, Giesbrecht said, you need to control your breath, assess your surroundings and climb onto or cling to the vehicle while it is afloat.
“You can hang on to the vehicle as long as you can,” he said, “or until you determine the closest or easiest place you can get to.”
Hypothermia is not an immediate problem, Giesbrecht said, because it takes an hour for someone to become cold enough for the heart to stop. However, drowning is a real concern, especially if you panic or go into shock after plunging into the water.
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“The first thing that will happen when you’re in cold water is a cold shock response, which is gasping and hyperventilating or heavy breathing,” he said. The cold could incapacitate your muscles and nerves, and you could lose your ability to swim.
“We have the 1-10-1 principle,” Giesbrecht added. “You have one minute to get your breathing under control. Ten minutes of meaningful movement. And about an hour before you become unconscious due to hypothermia.”
Make yourself visible
Andy Blair, director of the National Outdoor Leadership School Teton Valley, offered several survival tips for after you have escaped the car and are in the water. He said to keep your shoes on. They can be helpful when swimming in open water and scrambling on rocks or other sharp terrain.

“If they’re really big, heavy boots, they might be more of an impediment,” he said, “but once you get to shore, you’re going to want to have some shoes on.”
Blair said wearing street clothes in cold water that is moving downstream and not having a flotation device is “probably one of your worst-case situations.” However, he recommends securing any loose garments that could snag in the water. He said more form-fitting clothes will reduce your surface area and your exposure to the water.
If swimming to shore is not an option because of the distance or your stamina level, grab a piece of buoyant debris or hoist yourself up on a larger object if you can. Also, hold up an eye-catching item that could attract the attention of a search-and-rescue crew or a bystander.

“For the average person in that situation, their best bet is to find something they can stay afloat with and make themselves as visible as possible,” he said

  

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Baltimore, y’all alright? : Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore coll... [View all] , AbdulJaleel, Tue Mar-26-24 04:33 AM
 
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What I'd like to know is...
Mar 26th 2024
1
Probably most bridges would collapse if a supporting pillar got destroye...
Mar 26th 2024
4
if you hit a concrete support on the middle of bridge its a problem
Mar 26th 2024
8
      looks like mechanical failure
Mar 26th 2024
10
           Christ. Horrifying for all.
Mar 26th 2024
16
This is crazy & sad. Mass-casualty event.
Mar 26th 2024
2
Wtf.. this is one of the the most terrifying things I ever seen
Mar 26th 2024
3
Legit. These days I often feel like I can't be shocked anymore.
Mar 26th 2024
9
I used to drive a semi over that bridge on nearly a weekly basis
Mar 26th 2024
5
Im terrified of bridges
Mar 26th 2024
6
wouldn’t the upper position give you a better chance?
Mar 26th 2024
7
Oh its not a logical survival thought
Mar 26th 2024
30
They scare me too
Mar 26th 2024
11
Tunnels too
Mar 26th 2024
13
      Chesapeake Bay is wild
Mar 26th 2024
19
      Tunnels just started freaking me out recently
Mar 26th 2024
31
That had to be scary as hell.
Mar 26th 2024
12
Goddamn. Literally just got back from St. Pete yesterday.
Mar 26th 2024
17
very curious about wtf happened here.
Mar 26th 2024
14
Early report is the ship lost power (WaPo swipe)
Mar 26th 2024
20
there's video posted in this thread.
Mar 26th 2024
22
horrible accident. i hope they find some survivors.
Mar 26th 2024
15
2 survivors I believe.
Mar 26th 2024
18
      hopefully more.
Mar 26th 2024
21
As you can imagine, a lot of info is emerging
Mar 26th 2024
23
interesting that they stopped traffic...
Mar 26th 2024
24
      Think those cars were already well onto the bridge by the time ...
Mar 26th 2024
25
      true. i guess w/out knowing how much time we're talking about...
Mar 26th 2024
26
      imagine being upset they closed the bridge on you
Mar 26th 2024
27
           didn't even consider either angle.
Mar 26th 2024
28
           WILD.
Mar 26th 2024
29
I drive fast AF over bridges...
Mar 26th 2024
32
Jesus.... im never driving over a bridge again fuck that
Mar 26th 2024
34
Right?
Mar 26th 2024
35
terrifying, yet very helpful...thank you
Mar 27th 2024
40
RIP to those lost. Everybody should learn drownproofing
Mar 26th 2024
36
as a non-swimmer...
Mar 27th 2024
41
bro i'm right here with you. could have wrote that myself
Mar 27th 2024
48
man, I don't get it...
Mar 27th 2024
51
this bridge collapse is one of my wifes greatest fears.
Mar 27th 2024
49
      likewise.. I swim like a fish and my wife is a rock
Mar 27th 2024
50
      yeah, my wife mentioned classes too.
Mar 27th 2024
53
           yeah i've had people tried to teach me and it does not work.
Mar 27th 2024
54
           I wanted to start a class for Black adults
Mar 27th 2024
57
                the class for black adults would be dope.
Mar 27th 2024
60
                     yeah, I need to kick myself in the ass and get this going.
Apr 03rd 2024
111
           my kids take more risk when other kids their age can swim
Mar 27th 2024
56
      Man, back in 17 when my wife finally talked me into my first cruise...
Mar 27th 2024
52
I can finally do this after a lot of practice
Mar 31st 2024
101
all of the conspiracy theories around this fucking suck.
Mar 26th 2024
37
well for one they've gotten even dumber
Mar 27th 2024
38
hd someone say a ship couldn’t cause this much damage
Mar 27th 2024
39
      even knowing in my mind how big those ships are
Mar 27th 2024
42
           I see them up close when I visit my MIL on the coast.
Mar 27th 2024
43
                i saw some reasonable people on tik tok make sense of it...
Mar 27th 2024
44
                my goodness @ that last line
Mar 27th 2024
46
                yeah, man....it's a 1000 foot container ship...
Mar 27th 2024
45
                     boat was cited last June for propulsion issues in Chile
Mar 27th 2024
58
Some talk already about Biden's fault, open borders caused it, and DEI
Mar 27th 2024
47
      ...
Mar 27th 2024
55
           i mean, wouldnt the 'dei mayor' of baltimore be white ?
Mar 27th 2024
59
                lol basically
Mar 27th 2024
62
                yes, that was Martin O'Malley to be exact
Mar 27th 2024
71
Some interesting links on the "DEI did this" crowd
Mar 27th 2024
61
By DEI, they mean diversity equity inclusion or is there some maritime
Mar 27th 2024
63
DEI means "not a white" - and "given" privilege BECUASE not a white
Mar 27th 2024
64
no they mean that DEI
Mar 27th 2024
65
      got it...i wasn't understanding the connection at all but then i saw it ...
Mar 27th 2024
66
      Amazing.
Mar 27th 2024
67
      A plane nosedived after take off a year ago
Mar 27th 2024
68
Can we stop promoting this mouth breath shit?
Mar 27th 2024
70
Promoting is very different from staying aware
Mar 28th 2024
75
      posting links to click thru is promoting it.
Mar 29th 2024
99
           Thank you for explaining it.
Apr 02nd 2024
107
                n/m
Apr 02nd 2024
108
‘They Don’t Have The Courage To Say The N-Word’—Baltimore Mayor ...
Mar 28th 2024
88
      he's 100% correct
Mar 28th 2024
93
maybe im misremembering but Lara Logan used to be normal, right?
Mar 27th 2024
69
Yep I remember her being normal on 60 mins
Mar 28th 2024
76
was she really normal or just kept her views private?
Mar 28th 2024
78
      to a degree yeah, but I forgot she was the who got gang raped
Mar 28th 2024
92
Has there been any mention to who was on the ship?
Mar 27th 2024
72
the ntsb mentioned toxic chemicals being on board and spilling
Mar 28th 2024
73
RE: the ntsb mentioned toxic chemicals being on board and spilling
Mar 28th 2024
82
It flies Singapore's flag
Mar 28th 2024
83
      thanks for this info. my question: who cares what flag it flies?
Mar 28th 2024
84
           agreed....
Mar 28th 2024
86
                for sure.
Mar 28th 2024
87
yes, it's been reported widely and repeatedly.
Mar 28th 2024
74
Lol yep
Mar 28th 2024
77
I’ve read more precise info from non-deadly car crashes.
Mar 28th 2024
80
      i think the focus has been on the victims, as it should be.
Mar 28th 2024
81
      not trying to be rude, but...
Mar 28th 2024
85
           not trying to be mean but 3Card posting style
Mar 28th 2024
89
                i don't mind being mean
Mar 28th 2024
90
                ouch
Mar 28th 2024
91
                LOL!!
Apr 05th 2024
115
                See!
Apr 16th 2024
116
                     LOL
Apr 16th 2024
117
                I have no idea or preconceived notion
Mar 28th 2024
94
                     you don't know anything brother
Mar 28th 2024
96
                     RE: you don't know anything brother
Mar 28th 2024
97
                     You think that may have anything to do with a private corporation's
Mar 28th 2024
98
                         
Mar 29th 2024
100
                               an international cargo ship is not a truck
Apr 01st 2024
102
                               except there's extensive reporting on this incident
Apr 03rd 2024
109
Yes.. but I get the feeling you won’t believe what was reported, lol
Mar 28th 2024
79
      RE: Yes.. but I get the feeling you won’t believe what was reported, l...
Mar 28th 2024
95
           https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/30/us/baltimore-ship-crew-key-bridge.htm...
Apr 01st 2024
103
           Thank you.
Apr 04th 2024
113
           nah, the info is out there
Apr 01st 2024
104
           I asked yall for a link, not to try shitting diamonds
Apr 04th 2024
114
           RE: Yes.. but I get the feeling you won’t believe what was reported, l...
Apr 02nd 2024
105
                didn't even need to read the article to know pretty much all of that.
Apr 02nd 2024
106
                     The company is Singapore is using a law from 1851
Apr 03rd 2024
110
                          My company deals in Maritime Law from time to time.
Apr 03rd 2024
112

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