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58. "RE: If there was a lab leak,"
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>it was a leak of something that developed in the wild already,
>so it was only a matter of a few years before it would have
>emerged naturally anyway. That's why this is all so silly.
>

this is not necessarily the case. this is what the gain of function debate is all about. let's say it was a bat virus that couldnt currently make the leap to humans. or could leap but had a very low transmission rate once in a human host. Wuhan scientists MAY have tweaked this bat virus in ways that caused it to be much more dangerous and transmissible to humans. there is consensus that this is within the realm of possibility give current scientific knowhow and the Wuhan lab's capabilities

>Of course labs need strong security protocols. They have them,
>have had them for a long time, and they're constantly
>reassessing and strengthening them. Nothing that randos like
>us on the internet might think about lab protocols is news to
>any of the people who actually work in this field. They're 30
>years ahead of us on all this, they don't need help from the
>FBI or the media or you or me.

the wuhan lab had been studying SARS viruses for years with no unintended consequences and it is possible (there are reports this was the case) that lab safety standards had grown lax (or were never stringent enough in the first place). if nothing happens the first 99 times you put a tent under a dead tree, you think hey back to the trusted camp site. it's windy the 100th night in the tent and the tree comes down and smushes you.

to your second point, there are huge conflicts of interest among researchers in this area. they want grant money, they want to push the envelope and do innovative science. the once in a blue moon chance of a deadly virus being unleashed can factored out given these incentives. "it won't happen to me" til it does. even the best virologist in the world cannot foresee the consequences of changes they make to a virus with 100% confidence. the best scientist in the world could not look at the genome of, say, omicron, and describe exactly how it would interact with humans.

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>As for the history of "things we're not allowed to talk
>about," you're mixing up accidental leak hypotheses with the
>hyper-dumb "bioweapon" hypotheses, and that's what everyone
>else was doing in those years too. All the more reason that
>the media (*especially* alternative media), and the public,
>are simply not equipped to consider these issues. We have
>better things to be pondering.

bioweapons are also a real threat. i do not think covid is the result of an attempt to make one. there is reason to be concerned that gain of function research done without ill intent could be used by another actor WITH malevolent intent. ...that certain GoF research could provide recipes that bad actors could quite easily copy. (the gene editing tech and expertise needed to do this stuff does not cost that much money)

you are very smug about all this. trusting the expert consensus is a decent heuristic, but in the case of gain of function research, these experts, as i said above, often have conflicts of interest. you are also portraying a world of experts who agree with you and dismissing those with concerns not shared by your expert class as an uninformed fringe. this is not really the case.

  

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tin foil hat post: no theories on China and the coronavirus? [View all] , rdhull, Wed Feb-19-20 12:07 PM
 
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They still protesting or nah?
Feb 19th 2020
1
nah because The Middle East had a lesser but similar outbreak in 2012
Feb 19th 2020
2
Except it's less potent than SARS (death rate).
Feb 19th 2020
8
Chinese government was developing a bioweapon and lost control
Feb 19th 2020
3
Trump got a hand on this
Feb 19th 2020
4
hmm
Feb 21st 2020
16
China was about to buy NBC?
Feb 19th 2020
5
lol
Feb 19th 2020
6
/end post
Feb 20th 2020
10
the mathematics add up
Feb 21st 2020
15
^^^ this.
Feb 21st 2020
18
Bat soup?
Feb 19th 2020
7
*points at russia*
Feb 20th 2020
9
Dr. Yakub's doing
Feb 20th 2020
11
One of the scientists at China's bioweapons factory fucked up
Feb 20th 2020
12
'these vases..somehow..it got out"-Idris Elba/Prometheus
Feb 20th 2020
13
Now that the election is over...
May 26th 2021
41
      so 45 was right?
May 26th 2021
42
           yep..but because it was him, folks didn't want to believe etc
May 26th 2021
43
The election's got the usual suspects working overtime.
Feb 20th 2020
14
bat man
Feb 21st 2020
17
saw a graphic saying the harvard biochemical expert just arrested
Feb 24th 2020
19
40-70% of humans will have it
Feb 25th 2020
20
my anxiety and germaphobia are in overdrive.. fuck
Feb 25th 2020
22
Though it wasn't confirmed over here, I wonder if I had some form
Feb 25th 2020
23
      yeah we had something like that rip through our office maybe a month ago
Feb 27th 2020
27
      Y'all should wash your hands a little more often.
Feb 27th 2020
39
Over 80% of cases will be mild (WHO)
Feb 25th 2020
21
A 5% mortality rate would be roughly twice as high as the Spanish Flu ra...
Feb 27th 2020
25
the majority who died were older men who smoke vs women
Feb 27th 2020
26
      RE: the majority who died were older men who smoke vs women
Feb 27th 2020
29
      didn't you get all self righteous about me joking about running people o...
Feb 27th 2020
33
           i dunno about the self righteous part since
Feb 27th 2020
34
                gotta retract, I thought you were someone else lol
Feb 27th 2020
36
                RE: oh, well that's just a perfect reason to wish death on a whole
Feb 27th 2020
37
                     i'm not wishing it.
Feb 27th 2020
40
WH:"Everything's fine and Pence is in charge"
Feb 27th 2020
24
A point that got lost in the planned parenthood attacks
Feb 27th 2020
28
no weapon shall formed against you- according to Pence
Feb 27th 2020
30
That shit freaks me out..what if he thinks it's biblical
Feb 27th 2020
31
      Pope Skips Mass Over ‘Slight’ Illness Amid Coronavirus Outbreak
Feb 27th 2020
32
      Exactly... these Dead Zone repuglicans are some end times
Feb 27th 2020
35
turns out its just a plot by guys that cant grow facial hair
Feb 27th 2020
38
its over
May 26th 2021
44
Word.
May 26th 2021
45
      ...then how do you know its a conspiracy?
May 26th 2021
48
           when the why isn't clear or accepted, they'll call it a
May 26th 2021
49
Here is the problem with lying ass governments
May 26th 2021
46
pretty much
May 26th 2021
47
Yep a precedent has been set here
May 27th 2021
50
I know families that were dealing with it in Nov. 2019 in Baltimore.
May 27th 2021
51
did China use a bio weapon on the world?
May 27th 2021
52
Bruh...
Mar 01st 2023
53
FBI is still very much in the minority among federal agencies on this,
Mar 01st 2023
54
      nah
Mar 01st 2023
56
           If there was a lab leak,
Mar 01st 2023
57
               
                     your entire point
Mar 05th 2023
59
                          RE: your entire point
Mar 06th 2023
60
There's audio on exactly what happened...................
Mar 01st 2023
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