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>in many ways when it came to Foreign Policy.
>
>Obama's instincts on foreign policy were remarkable and
>intuitive - and although his administration made its errors
>and was laden with Establishment figures - he deserves more
>credit for resisting the Foreign Policy Establishment and at
>least starting to pave the way towards a new methodology of
>foreign engagement.
>
>Consider this:
>
>*Obama distanced us from our unsavory alliance w/ Saudi Arabia
>in search of a more neutral posture in the region
>*Brokered one of the most historic diplomatic achievements in
>U.S. history - the JCPOA (Iran Deal)
>*Broke new ground in putting a real check on Netanyahu's
>extremism in Israel
>*Regarded his administration's interventionism in Libya
>(pushed by Clinton when she was Sec. of State) to be the
>biggest mistake of his presidency
>*Resisted the bi-partisan war cry for offensive action in
>Syria
>*Normalized/de-escalated relations with Russia
>*Correctly focused more on China's gross human rights
>violations and growing threat
>
>This excerpt from the Atlantic typifies Obama's leadership in
>foreign policy - and his conflict with the Clintonian foreign
>policy Establishment:
>
>"Syria, for Obama, represented a slope potentially as slippery
>as Iraq. In his first term, he came to believe that only a
>handful of threats in the Middle East conceivably warranted
>direct U.S. military intervention.
>
>Hillary Clinton, when she was Obama’s secretary of state,
>argued for an early and assertive response to Assad’s
>violence. In 2014, after she left office, Clinton told me that
>“the failure to help build up a credible fighting force of
>the people who were the originators of the protests against
>Assad … left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now
>filled.” When The Atlantic published this statement, and
>also published Clinton’s assessment that “great nations
>need organizing principles, and ‘Don’t do stupid stuff’
>is not an organizing principle,” Obama became “rip-shit
>angry,” according to one of his senior advisers.
>The president did not understand how “Don’t do stupid
>shit” could be considered a controversial slogan. Ben Rhodes
>recalls that “the questions we were asking in the White
>House were ‘Who exactly is in the stupid-shit caucus? Who is
>pro–stupid shit?’ ”
>
>The Iraq invasion, Obama believed, should have taught
>Democratic interventionists like Clinton, who had voted for
>its authorization, the dangers of doing stupid shit. (Clinton
>quickly apologized to Obama for her comments, and a Clinton
>spokesman announced that the two would “hug it out” on
>Martha’s Vineyard when they crossed paths there later.)"
>
>So yes - Obama (like all presidents) presided over an American
>empire that has been shamefully complicit in international war
>crimes and human rights violations - but to call out Obama -
>and give others a pass (namely Trump & Bush) signals egregious
>prejudice.
>
>That said - I also think it's shameful when analysts refuse to
>criticize Obama - but will grill (only) Republicans on matters
>of foreign policy - when both parties are responsible for the
>bi-partisan consensus for war.
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That "Obama is War Criminal" Crowd [View all] , Buddy_Gilapagos, Mon May-04-20 02:44 PM
 
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LOL that idiots actually believe this “Obama is War Criminal"
May 04th 2020
1
there was a whole genre of journalism on the left
May 04th 2020
2
Quick search
May 04th 2020
4
      a twitter post from 2 years ago?
May 04th 2020
7
RE: That "Obama is War Criminal" Crowd
May 04th 2020
3
^^the "Obama killed the public option" guy
May 04th 2020
6
conversation stoppers
May 04th 2020
5
gotta have the likes
May 05th 2020
13
Any president since 9/11 is technically a war criminal
May 04th 2020
8
RE: Any president since 9/11 is technically a war criminal
May 04th 2020
10
He can be a better leader in comparison to the past and present
May 05th 2020
11
My biggest complaint with him as a leader is that I don't think he bucke...
May 05th 2020
12
even that deportation stat is kinda shaky
May 05th 2020
15
      2 for 2 here.
May 05th 2020
20
      Yeah. I know about the stats being pumped up
May 05th 2020
21
           yeah i hear you
May 05th 2020
23
April 2009 I first heard "Obama's a war criminal"
May 04th 2020
9
Obama was a saint compared to Bush/Trump....
May 05th 2020
14
He really was but bammas got 1-bit minds.
May 06th 2020
43
is warhawk better sounding to you?
May 05th 2020
16
lol damn
May 06th 2020
27
pretty much all US Presidents are, if we're being honest. n/m
May 05th 2020
17
^^^^Right Here^^^^
May 06th 2020
32
Yup.
May 06th 2020
38
to the contrary - The Obama Doctrine deviated from the standard
May 05th 2020
18
I'm with most of this.
May 05th 2020
22
100%
May 05th 2020
24
Came back here to mention Cuba as well.
May 05th 2020
26
great response
May 06th 2020
29
how does killing scores of civilians in drone wars fit in?
May 07th 2020
47
      Here:
May 07th 2020
49
      I hear you - and I'm not excusing that.
May 08th 2020
52
Libyans would definitely agree with this
May 05th 2020
19
As far as regular milk-toast liberals, the Obama is a war-criminal
May 06th 2020
28
There are people on here who say W wasn’t that bad
May 06th 2020
34
Was he not? Every president of the U.S. is a war criminal by default.
May 06th 2020
30
I understand the all US Presidents are war criminals sentiment.
May 06th 2020
39
      True.
May 06th 2020
42
its intellectual dishonesty and not worth a response
May 06th 2020
31
Calling him a war criminal or defending his drone strikes?
May 06th 2020
33
      right
May 06th 2020
36
           Yooooooo, I just rewatched that movie on Netflix really.
May 06th 2020
45
                RE: Yooooooo, I just rewatched that movie on Netflix really.
May 07th 2020
46
you can't be president and NOT be a war criminal.
May 06th 2020
35
What's your counter-argument?
May 06th 2020
37
Dude said by definition he is but.. lol
May 06th 2020
40
      cocaine is a hell of drug
May 06th 2020
41
Anwar awlaki
May 06th 2020
44
am i supposed to feel something for him?
May 08th 2020
50
      are we talking feelings?
May 08th 2020
51
using drones to remotely assassinate scores of people
May 07th 2020
48
Do you argue with people who say:
May 08th 2020
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