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allStah
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155. "I get your argument. It's just not practical when it comes to "
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Sat Apr-11-20 10:46 AM by allStah

          

medicine. What people don't understand is that it normally takes 10 years to develop a vaccine, so to do it within 1 or 2 years would be a miracle in itself. But you're saying this year? Politics can try all it wants to, but medicine and science rolls with a serious strictness when it comes to vaccines and cures. And Risk Management does not get bent or tweaked

Here is a recent article why it takes so long to create a vaccine for a new pandemic, even with the existence of modern technology. This was written a couple of year ago when Zika was a huge epidemic.




https://qz.com/751478/why-it-takes-so-long-to-develop-a-vaccine-against-a-new-epidemic/

Amid the depressing news about Zika continuing to infect more people and spread quickly, there is some good news. Three vaccine candidates have been shown to work successfully in monkeys and one is being tested in a human trial, raising hopes that a vaccine may soon be available on the market.

But don’t get your hopes too high. Even with such success stories, it is unlikely that any Zika vaccine will be available this year or even early next year. That’s because developing a safe and effective vaccine is difficult in the best of times, and gets harder during an epidemic. Consider the example of Ebola.

The Ebola epidemic began in west Africa in early 2014. By the time the World Health Organization (WHO) declared in June 2016 that it was over, the disease had infected 28,000 people and killed 11,000.

Ebola had been on the radar of public-health officials for many years and we even had some vaccine candidates lying on scientists’ shelves before the epidemic. Once the WHO declared Ebola a public-health emergency, scientists began working with renewed urgency and funding. Two years on, some vaccine candidates have reached the very last phase of clinical trials. Sadly, however, none have yet been approved to be sold on the market.

There are many reasons why, despite much scientific progress, we are still unable to develop vaccines in a timely manner.


1. Epidemics cause chaos

When a new disease starts spreading, it often spreads unchecked before raising alarm. And the pathogen often spreads in places where health infrastructure is not good, such as Ebola starting in Guinea. So by the time we are aware that an epidemic has taken hold, the pathogen is many steps ahead of the humans trying to stop it.


2. Pathogens are shifty

We live on a planet of microbes. The microbe behind every new epidemic is wildly different from the previous one. For instance, even though Ebola and Zika are both caused by viruses, they are completely different beasts. To develop a successful vaccine, we need to understand the pathogen quickly, see if there is more than one genetic strain of it that is causing the disease, and then develop means to counter each strain. But chaotic epidemics can make it difficult to collect the necessary samples and send them to labs.


3. Vaccine development is risky business

Big pharma companies invest billions in research every year, but few jump to action when there is urgent need for vaccines. Though such companies regularly make losses on failed drug candidates, they are often able to claim some return on investment by applying lessons learned and expertise gained in new projects. However, most can’t follow that process for vaccine developments, because they don’t have other vaccine projects that can carry over the learning.


4. No global body coordinates research

If big pharma won’t take the lead, you’d expect the WHO to do so. Even though the WHO’s constitution states that its objective “is the attainment by all people of the highest possible level of health,” the WHO hasn’t been setup to coordinate research programs. Research programs require huge sums of money and the WHO doesn’t have it. All it does now is create a framework for how research must be conducted on a new disease and then it hopes that various national health bodies will use the framework to do the work.


5. Animal models aren’t always available

Once the pathogen causing an epidemic is identified, scientists need to find a good animal model to test early vaccine candidates. The most commonly used model is small mammals, like rats or mice. But they don’t always get infected by a pathogen that has specialized to infect humans. For instance, it took nearly two months to develop the first animal model for Zika after the WHO declared a public-health emergency.


6. Human trials take a long time

Despite all these difficulties, some vaccine candidates do make it through to human trials. But here they linger for longer than we’d like. The first human trial for the most promising Ebola vaccine candidate started in November 2014. Despite success, by June 2015, the company was struggling to find enough human volunteers to continue its trials, because the disease had passed its peak.

Clinical trials start with tens of patients. With success in each phase, the trial is expanded—from hundreds to thousands to, finally, tens of thousands. However, at each phase, scientists have to collect a lot of data and analyze it to be sure that the vaccine is doing what it should in humans and there are no nasty side effects. This takes time, and in that time often an epidemic crosses its peak. So even though the trial needs more patients, there often aren’t enough around to test the vaccine on the scale needed to approve it for commercial use.

So although it’s great news we are making progress on a Zika vaccine, it won’t be ready any time soon to stop the disease spreading. Still, given it normally takes more than 10 years to develop a vaccine, it’s a small miracle that we can get close to developing one in an emergency in less than three years.

  

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What are you doing during the Covid-19 scare [View all] , handle, Sat Mar-14-20 06:50 PM
 
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Not be scared
Mar 14th 2020
1
^^^^^^^^
Mar 14th 2020
5
panic shopping
Mar 14th 2020
2
Men of the house. How y'all staying strong?
Mar 14th 2020
3
RE: Men of the house. How y'all staying strong?
Mar 16th 2020
58
Man. Man. MAN.
Mar 20th 2020
93
I have a full weight set but I've taken the last month to work on cardio
Apr 02nd 2020
128
preparing for my IRS audit...
Mar 14th 2020
4
Drugs
Mar 14th 2020
6
at home, resting, reading, stocking up!
Mar 14th 2020
7
good info, thanks.
Mar 14th 2020
8
Man one of my most conservative friends from college ...
Mar 14th 2020
10
      yeah..
Mar 14th 2020
11
           i saw that gingrich piece... a lot of the people on the right
Mar 14th 2020
13
                The dude you're replying to is a Biden bootlicker
Mar 15th 2020
15
                     LOL doesn't worship Bernie = Biden bootlicker
Mar 15th 2020
18
                     i don't discriminate with my friendly BernieBro Socialist Indoctrination
Mar 15th 2020
29
                          lol for what it's worth i don't consider you a bernie bro
Mar 15th 2020
36
                               Well stated. Could make a big difference in how it's received.
Mar 15th 2020
39
Damn this is really great info - thanks for sharing.
Mar 14th 2020
9
right on, you're welcome.
Mar 14th 2020
12
Agreed. Thanks for sharing.
Mar 15th 2020
14
Update - france is warning everyone ibuprofen could aggravate it
Mar 15th 2020
30
      good to know, thank you.
Mar 15th 2020
38
      glad you posted this
Mar 16th 2020
48
What's this mean, practically?
Mar 15th 2020
20
as a major K-12 urban district you'd think there would be a clear plan
Mar 15th 2020
35
good post
Mar 16th 2020
47
RE: at home, resting, reading, stocking up!
Apr 30th 2020
165
I work at a major hospital
Mar 15th 2020
16
I work for the IT dept of San Diego's largest hospital
Mar 15th 2020
27
      My brother is the in house electrician for Balboa Naval hospital
Mar 15th 2020
33
I went and stocked up this morning. Perfect timing.
Mar 15th 2020
17
Been productive, which is kind of annoying
Mar 15th 2020
19
Living in a constant state of anxiety
Mar 15th 2020
21
Fuck
Mar 15th 2020
22
      Thanks, I got teary-eyed twice today.
Mar 16th 2020
40
           Nodima; you’re a great writer. Keep at it. I’ll read it.
Mar 16th 2020
55
                Cosign
Mar 18th 2020
70
Probably making a baby... fuck
Mar 15th 2020
23
Whaaaaaaaaaa?
Mar 16th 2020
45
Staying home and listening to a LOT of music
Mar 15th 2020
24
Realized I stocked up a few weeks back
Mar 15th 2020
25
I stay stocked up - except on treats
Mar 15th 2020
37
Try not to go crazy... schools closed until April 17th
Mar 15th 2020
26
April 17th? Damn
Mar 15th 2020
28
      I’m not too worried about our’s, but for kids already struggling
Mar 15th 2020
32
There's a dope volunteer network in my community I'm a part of
Mar 15th 2020
31
People under 50 should probably worry a little more than they're doing.
Mar 16th 2020
41
      assuming you are speaking from the Netherlands
Mar 16th 2020
43
           I am. But I'm not sure if it's fake news..
Mar 16th 2020
49
                Thanks for taking the time to provide those links
Mar 16th 2020
57
                It looks like some bullshit got mixed in with the truth:
Mar 17th 2020
59
                     Amsterdam here yes
Mar 19th 2020
73
                          I'm in Amsterdam as well! And no worries, I don't mind re-checking.
Mar 19th 2020
74
                               ah dope! be well, my fellow Amsterdamian!!!
Mar 20th 2020
85
My wife and I stocked up last week on food and some extra cleaning
Mar 15th 2020
34
Some general thoughts
Mar 16th 2020
42
the government needs to step in and save the restaurant industry
Mar 16th 2020
50
My state is being a total shit about this too.
Mar 16th 2020
54
This is a good message and it's something that needs
Mar 17th 2020
60
phuckin
Mar 16th 2020
44
the subject/sig synergy is *chef's kiss*
Mar 16th 2020
52
not much different
Mar 16th 2020
46
the exact same shit I always do
Mar 16th 2020
51
are you nervous to eat from your stock?
Mar 17th 2020
65
      it's weird.
Mar 18th 2020
72
Grinding certifications...
Mar 16th 2020
53
Day 1. 5:30am, Biked in, 2:30pm jogged home. Needed the release....
Mar 16th 2020
56
kids are happy here too.. i worry when i run out of their fav foods!
Mar 17th 2020
64
Playing guitar/keys, tho we've cancelled our bands' shows....
Mar 17th 2020
61
trying to avoid these dumb, dumb, dumb fucking coworkers
Mar 17th 2020
62
We were sponsoring 2 food events that were canceled
Mar 17th 2020
63
Day 2. 5:00am, Drove in early, paid to park on street. National Mall is ...
Mar 17th 2020
66
I went to go hiking - it's NUTS
Mar 18th 2020
67
YES! Same here. I keep odd hours in my back & forth...by design...
Mar 19th 2020
76
Held my first class via ZOOM
Mar 18th 2020
68
I think there's a fake backdrop feature you can use on Zoom.
Mar 19th 2020
75
Day 3. 5:25am. Jogged to work. Took 47 min.
Mar 18th 2020
69
Turns out, trying to convert a fine dining restaurant into a delivery se...
Mar 18th 2020
71
buying a gahdamn house
Mar 19th 2020
77
We bought a house during this and it seems like a good move.
Mar 19th 2020
78
That 0% rate has got me looking into refinancing...
Mar 19th 2020
80
^^
Mar 20th 2020
89
signed a lease, job flow came to a screeching halt
Mar 19th 2020
79
Yeah, it’s a major adjustment
Mar 19th 2020
81
So what are y'all's non-chain supermarkets looking like?
Mar 19th 2020
82
Fucking working!
Mar 19th 2020
83
So... are you fucking, working, or is your work fucking? #Gigolo
Mar 20th 2020
88
Day 4. 5:20am drive to work. Raining hard.
Mar 19th 2020
84
Gotta say I'm enjoying your narration.
Mar 20th 2020
87
      thanks. it's cathartic
Mar 20th 2020
90
Working. Surgical RN here.. also work at a endoscopy center
Mar 20th 2020
86
working. folks coughing all around me. no social distancing
Mar 20th 2020
91
Tonight. drinking beer, eating wings and cleaning my bedroom...
Mar 20th 2020
92
Day 5. Slept in...5:35am wake up & sent “Teleworking” email
Mar 20th 2020
94
I went hiking - and had social un-distancing
Mar 22nd 2020
95
The air thing...see....on some levels...I just don't know...
Mar 25th 2020
100
It's just me & the little lady...
Mar 24th 2020
96
This sounds so dope...I feel like DINCs can take the most advantage
Mar 25th 2020
99
irony...
Mar 24th 2020
97
Day 10. 5:00alarm, out the door at 5:15am. Looking forward now....
Mar 25th 2020
98
Shaved my head with a beard trimmer
Mar 25th 2020
101
haha im definitely wondering what im going to do
Mar 25th 2020
103
let that shit wolf out! I got a Bevel to replace the T-Edger I dropped.....
Mar 25th 2020
104
      im already approaching my uncle's style in the 90s
Mar 25th 2020
105
RE: Shaved my head with a beard trimmer
Mar 26th 2020
109
I'm still req'd to report to work so
Mar 25th 2020
102
filed for unemployment & side hustling
Mar 25th 2020
106
working at a community health care center in NY...
Mar 25th 2020
107
Online teaching with virtually no training. Lol
Mar 26th 2020
108
Working and rapping for fun.
Mar 26th 2020
110
Seems like making/selling masks is the new hustle lol
Mar 26th 2020
111
taking a consistent ass whooping at work
Mar 27th 2020
112
feels like another winter
Mar 27th 2020
113
Starting to feel a little disassociated from reality.
Mar 27th 2020
114
So I downloaded Fruityloops?
Mar 30th 2020
115
Going out in public spaces almost feels like sex without a condom...
Mar 31st 2020
116
Same
Mar 31st 2020
117
up to 46 cases locally
Mar 31st 2020
118
Sleeping more than I have in years...
Mar 31st 2020
119
Was trying to buy some resistance bands
Apr 01st 2020
120
Day 18. 4:54 am wake...shook.
Apr 02nd 2020
121
dogg..can you just work from home? you making me nervous
Apr 02nd 2020
122
I can...I will... More than likely....i'm just a hypochondriac now
Apr 02nd 2020
124
      Thanx fam...now you got me worried about COVID in my bowels and shit
Apr 02nd 2020
132
i hope its not it
Apr 02nd 2020
123
I'm going to eliminate coffee from my morning routine tomorrow....
Apr 02nd 2020
125
      Myfitnesspal
Apr 02nd 2020
129
           ahhh, yes, forgot about that app!..thank you
Apr 02nd 2020
130
had a similar freak out the other night
Apr 02nd 2020
127
World population is going to have PTSD when this is all said and done......
Apr 02nd 2020
131
Stay home bruh
Apr 04th 2020
136
World Championship Tag is a thing
Apr 02nd 2020
126
Gaining weight
Apr 02nd 2020
133
i started intermittent fasting at the beginning of this year
Apr 02nd 2020
134
cooking, working out, linking up w fam I haven't talked to in a bit
Apr 03rd 2020
135
worried I may not get into sports when it comes back
Apr 05th 2020
137
Running - Finished 14 miles yesterday with sub 20 5k.
Apr 06th 2020
138
Damn! Good shit nm
Apr 06th 2020
139
thats because the air is cleaner
Apr 09th 2020
145
      Or the 55 miles a week I'm getting in.
Apr 12th 2020
156
getting mentally ready for this mandatory vaccine.
Apr 07th 2020
140
can they actually make it "mandatory"? I know they push the regular...
Apr 08th 2020
143
I work in govt in DC and its already being loosely touted around
Apr 08th 2020
144
      Are they going to at least test for antibodies before
Apr 10th 2020
147
Vaccinated with what?
Apr 10th 2020
148
Day 23. 2:10am...still awake.....
Apr 07th 2020
141
yo these little diaries, or glimpses into your life, are dope
Apr 09th 2020
146
Wondering how this will all end
Apr 07th 2020
142
actually, either during the summer or before fall
Apr 10th 2020
149
      RE: actually, either during the summer or before fall
Apr 10th 2020
150
           These vaccine trials will be sped up
Apr 10th 2020
151
                RE: These vaccine trials will be sped up
Apr 10th 2020
153
                     I REPEAT: These vaccine trials will be sped up
Apr 10th 2020
154
                         
I jsut ordered an Oculus Quest
Apr 10th 2020
152
One month later
Apr 14th 2020
157
gaining weight too...
Apr 15th 2020
158
man, I'm the opposite, I'm losing weight
Apr 20th 2020
160
why did all the late shows change their names?
Apr 16th 2020
159
mostly out of humor
Apr 27th 2020
164
Day 38. "Is the virus still going around?" - my 3 year old daughter
Apr 22nd 2020
161
Bruh.. that 1.65 gas is so tempting
Apr 30th 2020
166
      *googles How To Store Gasoline Long Term At Home*
Apr 30th 2020
169
I purchased a vertical garden
Apr 25th 2020
162
I'm psychologically becoming over confident
Apr 25th 2020
163
I’m seeing a lot of friends and family on FB
Apr 30th 2020
167
my hairdresser died...
Apr 30th 2020
168
damn i'm so sorry
Jul 25th 2020
171
UP
Jul 24th 2020
170

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