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39. "I never really struggle with the question, God gave us free will. "
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So he gave us the ability to choose to do good things or bad things. It's on us.

But what about natural disasters and other bad things that happen outside of manmade suffering? There are two parts to this.

1. We don't know God's plan. We don't know if God caused that earthquake that kills 100,000 was in order to a.) head of some further worst disaster or b.) create conditions so that great things can happen later. We just don't have the ability to see the bigger picture.

2. We see suffering here on earth and dying as the worst possible outcome but when you think about how brief our lives are, how long history and time is, and we are to believe that there is a great afterlife waiting for us, short term suffering on earth might be nothing for a soul that is about to enjoy everlasting life. Conversely, evil men like Trump seeming to get away with it seems unfair, unless you believe dude is going to spend an eternity in hell for his sins.

You can argue around the edges and about the details fo these ideas, but these general ideas are enough to explain it all to a person of faith (and yes CT this is a matter of faith, so its ineffective to argue about the proof of Gods existence to people of faith).



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If God Is Good, Why Do I Suffer? by Dr. R. C. Sproul [View all] , Case_One, Thu May-09-19 10:55 AM
 
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There is already a book on this topic
May 13th 2019
1
To be fair, on it's own, the bible doesn't paint a flattering picture.
May 13th 2019
3
Does it touch on all the genocide commanded by said god?
May 13th 2019
2
Lmao! Well, Case?
May 14th 2019
4
guess we just don't understand.
May 14th 2019
5
who needs evidence when there's
May 14th 2019
6
Also, ALL of these questions are irrelevant until God is proven to exist
May 14th 2019
7
existence of whatever God is can't be proven via what we call evidence
May 20th 2019
37
Same CT. He never disappoints.
May 15th 2019
8
https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/angry-typing-gif-1.gif
May 15th 2019
9
Just like that too. When he needs to be doing this
May 15th 2019
10
Same old legs, ever eager to be Case's hype man
May 15th 2019
12
Same Case. Always attacking the messenger, never the message
May 15th 2019
11
      All of your questions hing on faith. But you have no faith in God but -
May 15th 2019
14
           You are demonstrably wrong, as usual, about literally everything.
May 15th 2019
16
                Dude, you can't have it both ways, it's disingenuous.
May 15th 2019
18
                     Damn, deft dip, dodge, duck, dive and deflect, dude!
May 15th 2019
19
                          Nah, playa I just don't fall for your BS.
May 15th 2019
21
                               Stop debating with these modern day Pharisees
May 17th 2019
24
                                    Tips hat. Indeed.
May 17th 2019
25
                                    Debate? He doesn't even discuss. He deflects, detracts, diverts, deceive...
May 17th 2019
26
                                         RE: Debate? He doesn't even discuss. He deflects, detracts, diverts, dec...
May 17th 2019
27
                                              Not at all. I'm consistently direct, and address specific points
May 17th 2019
28
                                                   You’re only consistent with the gibberish
May 17th 2019
29
                                                   Says the guy who communicates via .gif
May 17th 2019
30
                                                        RE: Says the guy who communicates via .gif
May 18th 2019
31
                                                             You're a moron. That's not an ad hominem attack, fyi.
May 18th 2019
32
                                                                  I’ll be that...
May 18th 2019
33
                                                                       I know. I just told you.
May 18th 2019
34
                                                                            Yeah dummy I did respond directly to you...
May 19th 2019
36
                                                                                 Do you know how message boards work?
May 20th 2019
38
                                                                                      Yes dummy I do...
May 21st 2019
47
                                                                                      So.... no. You don't🤣
May 21st 2019
48
                                                                                      You don’t have to play dumb when it’s a natural thing for you.
May 21st 2019
49
                                                   lol
May 18th 2019
35
I think Oolon Colluphid series of books said it best
May 15th 2019
13
Clearly god doesn't have a clue what he's doing
May 15th 2019
15
I believe religion is an incredibly scam
May 15th 2019
17
Augustine: "It's sin"
May 15th 2019
20
Gotta Love the Church Fathers.
May 15th 2019
22
      *big nods*
May 16th 2019
23
I don't understand the idea of free will
May 20th 2019
40
Two great responses to the question around Free Will
May 20th 2019
41
It's ineffective with people who don't care if their beliefs are true.
May 20th 2019
42
      The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence
May 20th 2019
43
           It is where evidence should be expected, but that's beside the point.
May 20th 2019
44
                The language used in that response sounds very much like projection
May 20th 2019
45
                     Point out the exact verbiage of this "projection".
May 20th 2019
46
                          CT there is no evidence there is only free will and or faith
May 21st 2019
50

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