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51. "Wrong on every point."
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>Maybe you just lost me on books. We are comparing two
>podcasts. Leave the books metaphor out of this because it
>ain't working.

Wrong. That was used to make a comparison between the podcast and the docs, not the two podcasts

>You used a lot of words to say that the undisclosed podcast is
>more compelling and persuasive than the serial podcast.

I didn't use much at all on that point. But ok. Even if I did, this a meaningless point. Stay on topic.

>I am saying I don't have the energy to listen to another
>podcast advocating the same thing as the first podcast I
>listened to IF it doesn't address the very simple point I made
>in the OP.

A flawed and entirely irrelevant point, sure.

>You are also not making a compelling case for me to listening
>to the Undisclosed because it has a "far more in-depth legal
>perspective."

I'm not trying to persuade you to listen.

First, that was a direct response to your false assertion that it's from the same perspective as serial.

Second, you have an obvious bias and there isn't much that would change that. I'm pointing out that your refusal to look at additional information that more strongly favors reasonable doubt in his favor further exemplified his bias.

It doesn't take me being a lawyer (which I am)
>to know dude had a shitty trial.

Except I didn't say he had a shitty trial. I said the prosecution case against him was poor. And that's the part that matters.

>I got that from Serial. He
>may ultimately be freed because he had shitty trials.

No, if he is freed, it will be because the evidence against him is insufficient to prove guilt.

>But
>that doesn't address the underlying fact of who killed this
>girl.

It doesn't, but that's not what this case is about. This is about whether or not the evidence proves that this specific person killed her. That's it.

"Who killed her?"

And

"Did this specific person kill her?"

These are two entirely different questions.

>And I bet this doc won't do a good job of addressing that
>question.

Nor should it. Because it's about whether or not he did.

Your lone, burning question is entirely irrelevant. Either the case against him is sufficient, or it's not.

>You call it a bias. A bias is typically an uninformed
>position.

False. A bias is simply an unfair prejudice.

That prejudice may stem from a lack of information, but lack of information is not in itself integral to bias.

So no.

>My position is based on the facts available.

You've proven this to be false. Rather, a lie, because you've admitted that you have no interest in all of the facts available.

Your position is not based on the a available facts, just those you've chosen to observe. It is in fact a lie to say that your position is based on the available facts.

If
>you, Undisclosed or the DOC present some facts that change my
>mind, I'll change my mind.

Except you refuse to listen to Undisclosed.

>What you call me being obtuse is another way to put I don't
>find what you are saying persuasive.

Wrong again. It's a direct response to your comical display of false confusion over the correlation I made between books and docs. That's it.

  

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The Case Against Adnan Syed Starts this weekend. [View all] , Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Mar-06-19 03:02 PM
 
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I don't know IF he did it, but that still seems the most likely
Mar 06th 2019
1
Sidenote: the not-Joe dude on State Of The Culture noted that
Mar 06th 2019
2
which is a stupid thing to say
Mar 06th 2019
7
      It likely directly lead to this new R. Kelly case, plus the tide turning...
Mar 06th 2019
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           so no one has actually been put in jail based on a podcast
Mar 06th 2019
18
                The R. Kelly one just came out two months ago, and MJ is dead.
Mar 06th 2019
19
                     you said some dumb shit that if you were smarter, you'd be ashamed of
Mar 06th 2019
20
                     Point out where I said someone has already been convicted
Mar 06th 2019
21
                          point out where I claimed you said that.
Mar 07th 2019
41
                               #18
Mar 07th 2019
42
                                    thank you for clarifying that I did not claim you said that
Mar 07th 2019
43
                                         You're a lying fraud.
Mar 08th 2019
48
                                              tell a friend.
Mar 08th 2019
55
                     r kelly was not put in jail based on a podcast or tv show
Sep 19th 2022
72
                          Lol, get a life.
Sep 20th 2022
74
                               did you gut tell you they found the girl's car outside the home
Sep 20th 2022
75
                                    My gut tells me something is seriously wrong with you.
Sep 20th 2022
77
Undisclosed presents the case far better than Serial.
Mar 06th 2019
3
From what I remember, I felt he did it. But there wasn't solid evidence
Mar 06th 2019
4
Exactly where I was
Mar 06th 2019
5
^ same as both of you
Mar 06th 2019
6
i don't rememeber why but this is how i felt
Mar 06th 2019
9
He's either the most unlucky dude on the face of the earth
Mar 06th 2019
12
      You can create that same sort of false dichotomy for any wrongful convic...
Mar 06th 2019
14
           Well, not all of them but I get what you're saying and largely agree.
Mar 06th 2019
22
           All of them. Because it's a false dichotomy
Mar 07th 2019
29
           I see he charmed you like he did Sarah K
Mar 07th 2019
23
                Cool story. You seem a bit to emotionally attached to the case
Mar 07th 2019
27
                     Tap Tap Tap LOL
Mar 09th 2019
57
                          There's a clear implication that his statement was not his own
Mar 10th 2019
59
told from the absolutely fresh perspective of Rabia Chaudray
Mar 06th 2019
10
Oh wait, this Documentary is pro-Adnan. Nevermind my original post.
Mar 06th 2019
11
      a little extra snark on my reply than necessary lol
Mar 06th 2019
13
If you've listened to Undisclosed...
Mar 06th 2019
15
Honestly I think there is a strong predisposition after a conviction
Mar 06th 2019
16
true.
Mar 06th 2019
17
Didn't listen to Undisclosed, but that guy did kinda jump out
Mar 07th 2019
24
Did not listen to disclose, but how did they explain Jay knowing about
Mar 07th 2019
25
You should listen to it.
Mar 07th 2019
28
      I might but if it doesn't answer that question it would be a waste of ti...
Mar 07th 2019
32
      No, you just have a strong bias.
Mar 07th 2019
34
           Huh? What book are you talking about?
Mar 07th 2019
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                This isn't at all difficult. You're being obtuse.
Mar 07th 2019
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                     Why are you talking about books?!?!
Mar 08th 2019
47
                         
      Rabia’s Case, you mean
Mar 08th 2019
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           No, I meant exactly what I said, exactly as said
Mar 08th 2019
46
Clearly? lol
Mar 07th 2019
26
      are u not familiar with all the shady shit surrounding Don and his mom?
Mar 07th 2019
31
           Is this Bob Ruff typing this?
Mar 08th 2019
53
I’ve been fascinated how this case gets so much national attn but loca...
Mar 07th 2019
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word. i know folks that knew Jay, Adnan and Hae
Mar 07th 2019
33
lol at the criminal element of Woodlawn being one of them lol... I follo...
Mar 07th 2019
35
      I don't see how Asia McClains "witnessing" dude would sway anyone.
Mar 07th 2019
37
           You don't see how a witness who places him in a different place
Mar 07th 2019
39
           Also, Jay has told AT LEAST 5 different versions of the events...
Mar 07th 2019
40
           Adnan wasn’t that impressed either when SK said she found Asia
Mar 08th 2019
52
                Do you think every person reacts the exact same way to things?
Mar 08th 2019
54
                     Of course not
Mar 11th 2019
62
All I got so far is the world gets to see how trash our detectives are
Mar 11th 2019
63
Interesting how much adnan remembers from that day
Mar 08th 2019
45
I never stopped believing he did it from first listen
Mar 08th 2019
49
      Serial did a great job with the suspense on first listen
Mar 11th 2019
61
He likely did it, but there is reasonable doubt.
Mar 08th 2019
50
MD highest court panel rules (4-3): no new trial for Adnan
Mar 09th 2019
56
Shout to Shirley Watts
Mar 09th 2019
58
mentions possibility of a serial killer... Quick cut to Don's picture
Mar 11th 2019
60
Anyone still watching?
Mar 21st 2019
64
I still think Jay did it...im on Episode 2
Mar 27th 2019
65
I watched EP 1 & 2
Mar 27th 2019
66
Ep 3... I dont think Jay did it any more!
Mar 28th 2019
67
Not a single mention of the Nisha call. Or Adnan stealing from his own m...
Apr 01st 2019
68
Adnan fresh out
Sep 19th 2022
69
great pic
Sep 19th 2022
70
I now see the flaw of my original logic. Cops ain't shit.
Sep 19th 2022
71
the evidence was always super flimsy
Sep 19th 2022
73
The release seems so sudden and definitive, I would like to think an
Sep 20th 2022
76
      i mean, there are other suspects now...
Sep 20th 2022
78
      it's been coming
Sep 20th 2022
84
      What they know, is they never had the goods to convict him
Sep 21st 2022
87
IMO there was always significant reasonable doubt
Sep 20th 2022
80
      it was always bizarre
Sep 20th 2022
83
Our girl Sarah Koenig of Serial is back for the NY Times Daily podcast.
Sep 20th 2022
79
16:25-17:45 explains literally everything
Sep 20th 2022
81
      oh for sure.
Sep 20th 2022
82
      right. I can't tell you definitively that dude didn't do it
Sep 21st 2022
85
Any new thoughts from the rest of “he fucking did it” crowd?
Sep 21st 2022
86
I just don't get the "he definitely didn't do it" crowd
Sep 21st 2022
88
      Who is saying “he definitely didn't do it”
Sep 21st 2022
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           well said.
Sep 21st 2022
90
           No. The only thing that matters is whether he is guilty or innocent.
Sep 21st 2022
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           ...what
Sep 22nd 2022
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           LOL
Sep 22nd 2022
93
           well, what you think as a spectator, is in fact the most important thing
Sep 22nd 2022
94
           Agreed
Sep 22nd 2022
95
You know what is weird about the motion?
Sep 22nd 2022
96
Prosecutors have perverse incentives
Sep 22nd 2022
97
RE: You know what is weird about the motion?
Sep 22nd 2022
98
      You 100% don't understand what I wrote. No where am I saying they
Sep 22nd 2022
99
All charges dropped
Oct 11th 2022
100
figured this was coming.
Oct 11th 2022
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I am relistening to Serial. I am reminded why I still think Adnan did i...
Oct 11th 2022
102
Did you listen to Undisclosed?
Oct 11th 2022
103
Un. Dis. Closed. WHY do you refuse to listen to that one?
Oct 11th 2022
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      right. i later found out that Rabia was kinda pissed at Sarah Koenig...
Oct 11th 2022
105
      I listened to the first three episode just for you my guy.
Oct 13th 2022
106
           nah b. you gotta listen to the whole thing.
Oct 13th 2022
107
           Promo said exactly what I was going to say
Oct 16th 2022
111
I was wrong about this
Oct 13th 2022
108
This is huge and different.
Oct 15th 2022
109
FAM, this was news when you were posting your doubts...
Oct 15th 2022
110
The DNA evidence came out on Tuesday. Same day I posted about re-listen...
Oct 16th 2022
113
If you'd listened to *all* of Undisclosed
Oct 16th 2022
112
well, as long as buddy is satisfied
Oct 16th 2022
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