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14. "Anyone who knows the Trump-Russia case knows Trump's inaction on Khashog..."
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Anyone who knows the Trump-Russia case knows Trump's inaction on Khashoggi is tied to a 6-nation "grand bargain." More proof—Khashoggi was banned from Saudi TV, newspapers and conferences for criticizing the Saudi Crown Prince's involvement in the bargain:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-donald-trump-journalist-banned-for-criticising-us-president-elect-a7456956.html%3famp

2/ I can't underscore this enough: the Khashoggi case is a chapter in the Trump-Russia scandal. Reporters must understand that the Trumps' relationship with the Saudis is inextricably tied to its relationship with and expectations for the Russian government with respect to Iran.

3/ Trump and Kushner figured out early on—well before the 2016 election—that they could enrich themselves via both the Russians and the Saudis if they dropped sanctions on Russia in exchange for Russia giving the Saudis what they wanted: a curtailing of Russian support for Iran.

4/ I've said before and will say again that the Trump Jr. meeting reporters most need to focus on with respect to Russia didn't take place in June 2016 at Trump Tower but in August 2016 at Trump Tower and did not involve Russian agents but agents of Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Israel.

5/ When Erik Prince met with the Russians and the UAE in the Seychelles in January 2017, it was at a *bare minimum* the *third* meeting to discuss a single topic: a six-nation "grand bargain" involving the Trumps (United States), Russia, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, and Israel.

6/ Another meeting—the second, though there may well have been additional intervening meetings we don't know of—happened at Trump Tower during the 2016 transition and involved a secret trip to the U.S. by the Crown Prince of the UAE, who met with Bannon, Kushner, and a Saudi rep.

7/ Kushner's desire for a December 2016 backchannel—via a Russian SCIF—to discuss Iran with the Russians, and his secure backchannel to the Saudi Crown Prince via WhatsApp, are key parts of this. As is the backchannel between Bannon and Erik Prince that began during the campaign.

8/ The lobbying done by Tom Barrack, Mike Flynn, Rick Gates, and Bud McFarlane on giving Saudi Arabia nuclear tech, which led to Flynn's now-infamous "good to go" text at Trump's inauguration—and Trump's plan to drop Russia sanctions right after the inauguration—are part of this.

9/ Trump's IC knew the Saudi Crown Prince planned to lure Khashoggi to (at a minimum) a kidnapping and failed in its duty to warn him. Kushner spoke to the Crown Prince *about Khashoggi* the day before he was killed. This story is *not* going away, as it's part of a larger story.

10/ Don't forget: Kushner already stands accused of taking classified intel on Saudi dissidents from the presidential daily briefing his father-in-law gets and giving it to Saudi's Crown Prince on a surprise visit to Saudi Arabia, thus giving MBS a domestic assassination roadmap.

11/ George Papadopoulos told ABC he was still getting messages from Kremlin agent Joseph Mifsud in 2017, meaning the Kremlin still thought Papadopoulos had value as a Trump agent when Papadopoulos went to Israel the week of the inauguration. So what was @GeorgePapa19 doing there?

12/ Criminal conspiracies are necessarily small in their roster of conspirators—lest the chance of betrayal to law enforcement be too high. The "six-nation grand bargain" is a "theory of the case" in the Mueller probe that helps explain everything everyone was doing at all times.

13/ Why was Papadopoulos—still a Trump agent—telling Greek officials in December 2016 that he "helped Trump win the presidency" and had a "blank check" for any job he wanted? Why was he expected to join the State department—which Trump was about to use to drop Russia sanctions?

14/ If Papadopoulos' wife is telling the truth, and every trip he took was authorized, who sent Papadopoulos to Greece in December 2016 to meet with Putin allies, and then to Israel in 2017, where he met with (he says) people he thought were Israeli spies who offered him money?

15/ Why did Papadopoulos' January '17 trip to Israel come immediately after a 3-man meeting with Trump's incoming Chief of Staff and a top Putin ally in the Greek government (an anti-Russian sanctions crusader) at Trump's inauguration? Investigators don't believe in coincidences.

16/ Not everything Trump does is connected to the grand bargain—not even 15% of what he does is. But we're entering a period of time in which media and investigators being able to see *which* events connect to the domestic interests of the six nations will be a critical skillset.

17/ It's in that context that I say the Khashoggi assassination *must* be seen as connected to the Trump-Russia story by anyone who covers that story—because Khashoggi's fatal misstep was criticizing Kushner pal MBS on his plan to strike a deal with the Trumps and Russia on Iran.

18/ And I say "the Trumps" because we need to start thinking that way. "The Trumps"—meaning Trump Sr., Trump Jr., and Kushner—were one of the six parties in the six-nation bargain, standing in for "the United States." But their interest from Day 1 was solely their own enrichment.

19/ If Kushner (in the campaign) really "nixed" a meeting with Kremlin agent Torshin, why did Trump Jr. ("not" in the campaign) dine with him 72 hours later? Why did (it appears) Kushner and Gates "reject" the Israeli Zamel's proposals just weeks before Trump Jr. met with him?

20/ If Goldstone was just trying to use Trump Jr. to get a message to Trump Sr. in June 2016, why did Trump Jr. immediately bring in Kushner? And why does another attendee of that meeting say *Kushner* was engaged, animated, and angry (at the lack of Clinton dirt) at the meeting?

21/ In every criminal conspiracy, seemingly far-flung events are connected by the people involved, their interests, and the way certain decisions lead to later events. The only way Trump and Kushner slide on this Khashoggi assassination is if media doesn't connect it to anything.

22/ But it seems likely this is the *second* time Kushner violated government protocols in a way that assisted his pal MBS—the Saudi Crown Prince—in assassinating dissidents. And Kushner is only going to do that if the Trumps owe the Saudis or there's money in it for the Trumps.

23/ There's no non-clandestine, acknowledged U.S. diplomatic or security interest in assisting that Saudi Crown Prince in murdering his enemies. None. Zero. The Trumps could easily have said "we support you but want nothing to do with this." Instead, they appear to have assisted.

24/ The co-conspirator list in the Trump-Russia case isn't long. If you're in media and don't have a mastery of each conspirator's movements from mid-2015 (for the Trumps 2013) onward—including every known meeting with an agent from one of the six nations—you're behind the story.

25/ Flynn. Prince. Kushner. Trump Sr. Don Jr. Bannon. Papadopoulos. Sessions. Barrack. Manafort. Gates. Page. McFarlane. Second-tiers like Clovis, Miller, Stone, Schmitz, Gordon. Foreign agents like Mifsud, Nader, Zamel, MBS, MBZ, Torshin, Butina. It's not too much to learn. /end

PS/ Saudi Arabia needed two things from Trump in the six-nation bargain: unnecessary U.S.-Iran hostility (see Trump's lies about Iranian compliance with the nuclear deal) and massive military aid (see Trump's insistence that nothing block his $100 billion military deal with MBS).

PS2/ The $100 billion begins Trump's effort to help MBS get nuclear power/weapons. Why does he care? The Saudi blockade on Qatar forced the Qataris to "loan" Kushner $900 million and a Cohen client—Broidy—stood to get $1 billion in Saudi/UAE contracts. Was Trump to get kickbacks?

PS3/ The evidence suggests that Trump used Cohen as a money laundering apparatus for Russian and possibly Saudi/UAE money. Russians gave Cohen millions in "consulting fees" and in Saudis/UAE paying Broidy, his "lawyer" Cohen—also Trump's "lawyer"—could have gotten money to Trump.

PS4/ At the end of every decision Donald Trump has ever made in his life is a profit motive—same with Kushner. If you think suddenly their motives changed with respect to the endlessly rich Saudi Crown Prince, you are—excuse me saying it—yet another in a lifetime of Trump chumps.

  

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Jamal Khashoggi murdered -Trumps Benghazi II heating up (swipe) [View all] , LAbeathustla, Thu Oct-11-18 08:38 AM
 
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2nd benghazi. 1st was the soldiers ambushed and deserted in niger
Oct 11th 2018
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you absolutely right...so many fkng scandals i cant keep up
Oct 11th 2018
2
that shit got curved to begin with
Oct 11th 2018
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      it lasted a few weeks, which is a lot
Oct 11th 2018
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           I was thinking about this but I don't think it was a case of ...
Oct 12th 2018
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edited.
Oct 11th 2018
3
Saudi Arabia is so awful and we'll never do anything about it
Oct 11th 2018
5
Senators push vote to block Saudi arms sales after Khashoggi disappearan...
Oct 11th 2018
7
Turks tell U.S. officials they have audio and video recordings that supp...
Oct 11th 2018
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Saudi Arabia are largely responsible for 9/11. That didn't change the
Oct 11th 2018
9
Apropos of nothing but
Oct 12th 2018
13
How does all this happen INSIDE the damn embassy ?
Oct 12th 2018
11
wait why not?
Oct 12th 2018
12
Seems like the perfect place to do it.
Oct 15th 2018
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2 sources tell @clarissaward and @TimListerCNN that the Saudis are prepa...
Oct 15th 2018
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saw that coming once trump said "Rogue elements" or whatever he said
Oct 15th 2018
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We were just going to kidnap him, we didn't mean to kill him
Oct 15th 2018
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Turkish official confirms to CNN that Jamal Khashoggi’s body was cut i...
Oct 16th 2018
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What’s the deal with cutting him into pieces?
Oct 16th 2018
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      I assumed it's so they could more easily dispose of the body
Oct 16th 2018
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      lmao, to hide the evidence
Oct 18th 2018
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Suspects in Khashoggi Case Had Ties to Saudi Crown Prince
Oct 16th 2018
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WSJ has DETAILED info on the tapes (location off killing, doctor telling...
Oct 16th 2018
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this story has me significantly fucked up
Oct 17th 2018
24
beheading him sounds like some isis shit
Oct 17th 2018
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RE: beheading him sounds like some isis shit
Oct 18th 2018
31
      this is true
Oct 18th 2018
33
Of course Trump's talking up "innocent until proven guilty"
Oct 17th 2018
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i wonder if nikki haleys resignation had anything to do with this.
Oct 17th 2018
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i wonder if *andrew brunson's release had anything to do with this.
Oct 18th 2018
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      The timing is suspicious as hell
Oct 18th 2018
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More Khashoggi-MBS Links Revealed as Suspected Killer Dies in 'Suspiciou...
Oct 18th 2018
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might be one of the few conspiracy theories
Oct 18th 2018
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^^^ been waiting on these stories
Oct 19th 2018
41
what
Oct 18th 2018
35
i hope it turns out kushner was directly involved in some way.
Oct 18th 2018
36
...but what about those e-mails?
Oct 18th 2018
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"other Saudi errors"
Oct 19th 2018
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      its so annoying when you accidentally kill a busload of children
Oct 19th 2018
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Holy Shit, they have found a way to blame this on a black man.
Oct 19th 2018
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Saudi claims that Khashoggi died in a ‘brawl’ draw immediate skeptic...
Oct 20th 2018
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WaPo raises prospect Pompeo’s not listening to Khashoggi tape—becaus...
Oct 20th 2018
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they gonna have to leak to the public at this point
Oct 23rd 2018
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How the man behind Khashoggi murder ran the killing via Skype
Oct 22nd 2018
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jesus.
Oct 23rd 2018
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Wow: photo of Khashoggi's son forced to shake hands with MsB
Oct 23rd 2018
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Reports; Body found in Saudi Consul General's yard
Oct 23rd 2018
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Saudi Arabia, in Reversal, Suggests Khashoggi’s Killing Was ‘Premedi...
Oct 25th 2018
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Gen. Ahmed Al-Assiri, the Saudi intel chief taking the fall for the murd...
Oct 26th 2018
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Wow...will he be executed?
Oct 26th 2018
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Prosecutor says Khashoggi was strangled and dismembered, but fate of bod...
Nov 01st 2018
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Did you hear the one about 2 Saudi girls found dead in NYC
Nov 01st 2018
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CIA concludes Saudi crown prince ordered Jamal Khashoggi’s assassinati...
Nov 16th 2018
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Mike Pompeo reportedly hand-delivered a plan to Saudi King Salman and hi...
Nov 20th 2018
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Abramson.
Nov 20th 2018
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Isn't it crazy how much the criminal activity is out in the open?
Nov 20th 2018
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      Yea it's mindblowing.
Nov 20th 2018
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there should be calls for his immediate resignation.
Nov 20th 2018
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Shorter Trump statement: Kill whoever you want, just keep the oil flowin...
Nov 20th 2018
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and buy your weapons from the US!
Nov 20th 2018
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RE: Shorter Trump statement: Kill whoever you want, just keep the oil fl...
Nov 20th 2018
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man. I don't want ANY of this smoke.
Nov 20th 2018
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yeah oil and weapons is secondary. Saudi prince likes him so he's cool
Nov 20th 2018
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Ron Wyden says that he'll introduce legislation requiring the U.S. Intel...
Nov 20th 2018
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POTUS is trolling people about a murder.
Nov 21st 2018
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Intercepts Solidify C.I.A. Assessment That Saudi Prince Ordered Khashogg...
Dec 03rd 2018
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After CIA briefing today Sen. Corker (R-Tenn.) says Saudi crown prince w...
Dec 04th 2018
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but will they sanction Kush & Trump or Khassogi?!?!?!?!?!
Dec 04th 2018
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'I can't breathe.' Jamal Khashoggi's last words disclosed in transcript,...
Dec 09th 2018
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Year Before Killing, Saudi Prince Told Aide He Would Use ‘a Bullet’ ...
Feb 07th 2019
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