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98. "Coates' response to the critics (swipe)"
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Mon Jan-25-16 01:10 AM by PimpTrickGangstaClik

          

Summary:
Basically, he doesn't get on Clinton for having the same position on reparations because Clinton doesn't play the role of a "radical". How are single-payer health care and free college education your platform, but reparations are too divisive?
Asking "But what about Hillary?" is akin to asking "But what about black on black crime?"

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/bernie-sanders-liberal-imagination/425022/

Bernie Sanders and the Liberal Imagination

Last week I critiqued Bernie Sanders for dismissing reparations specifically, and for offering up a series of moderate anti-racist solutions, in general. Some felt it was unfair to single out Sanders given that, on reparations, Sanders’s chief opponent Hillary Clinton holds the same position. This argument proposes that we abandon the convention of judging our candidates by their chosen name:

"Youth unemployment for African American kids is 51 percent. We have more people in jail than any other country. So yes, count me as a radical. I want to invest in jobs and education for our young people rather than jails and incarceration."

When a candidate points to high unemployment among black youth, as well as high incarceration rates, and then dubs himself a radical, it seems prudent to ask what radical anti-racist policies that candidate actually embraces. Hillary Clinton has no interest in being labeled radical, left-wing, or even liberal. Thus announcing that Clinton doesn’t support reparations is akin to announcing that Ted Cruz doesn’t support a woman’s right to choose. The position is certainly wrong. But it is hardly a surprise, and doesn't run counter to the candidate’s chosen name.

What candidates name themselves is generally believed to be important. Many Sanders supporters, for instance, correctly point out that Clinton handprints are all over America’s sprawling carceral state. I agree with them and have said so at length. Voters, and black voters particularly, should never forget that Bill Clinton passed arguably the most immoral “anti-crime” bill in American history, and that Hillary Clinton aided its passage through her invocation of the super-predator myth. A defense of Clinton rooted in the claim that “Jeb Bush held the same position” would not be exculpatory. (“Law and order conservative embraces law and order” would surprise no one.) That is because the anger over the Clintons’ actions isn’t simply based on their having been wrong, but on their craven embrace of law and order Republicanism in the Democratic Party’s name.

One does not find anything as damaging as the carceral state in the Sanders platform, but the dissonance between name and action is the same. Sanders’s basic approach is to ameliorate the effects of racism through broad, mostly class-based policies—doubling the minimum wage, offering single-payer health-care, delivering free higher education. This is the same “A rising tide lifts all boats” thinking that has dominated Democratic anti-racist policy for a generation. Sanders proposes to intensify this approach. But Sanders’s actual approach is really no different than President Obama’s. I have repeatedly stated my problem with the “rising tide” philosophy when embraced by Obama and liberals in general. (See here, here, here, and here.) Again, briefly, treating a racist injury solely with class-based remedies is like treating a gun-shot wound solely with bandages. The bandages help, but they will not suffice.

There is no need to be theoretical about this. Across Europe, the kind of robust welfare state Sanders supports—higher minimum wage, single-payer health-care, low-cost higher education—has been embraced. Have these policies vanquished racism? Or has race become another rubric for asserting who should benefit from the state’s largesse and who should not? And if class-based policy alone is insufficient to banish racism in Europe, why would it prove to be sufficient in a country founded on white supremacy? And if it is not sufficient, what does it mean that even on the left wing of the Democratic party, the consideration of radical, directly anti-racist solutions has disappeared? And if radical, directly anti-racist remedies have disappeared from the left-wing of the Democratic Party, by what right does one expect them to appear in the platform of an avowed moderate like Clinton?

Here is the great challenge of liberal policy in America: We now know that for every dollar of wealth white families have, black families have a nickel. We know that being middle class does not immunize black families from exploitation in the way that it immunizes white families. We know that black families making $100,000 a year tend to live in the same kind of neighborhoods as white families making $30,000 a year. We know that in a city like Chicago, the wealthiest black neighborhood has an incarceration rate many times worse than the poorest white neighborhood. This is not a class divide, but a racist divide. Mainstream liberal policy proposes to address this divide without actually targeting it, to solve a problem through category error. That a mainstream Democrat like Hillary Clinton embraces mainstream liberal policy is unsurprising. Clinton has no interest in expanding the Overton window. She simply hopes to slide through it.

But I thought #FeelTheBern meant something more than this. I thought that Bernie Sanders, the candidate of single-payer health insurance, of the dissolution of big banks, of free higher education, was interested both in being elected and in advancing the debate beyond his own candidacy. I thought the importance of Sanders’s call for free tuition at public universities lay not just in telling citizens that which is actually workable, but in showing them that which we must struggle to make workable. I thought Sanders’s campaign might remind Americans that what is imminently doable and what is morally correct are not always the same things, and while actualizing the former we can’t lose sight of the latter.

A Democratic candidate who offers class-based remedies to address racist plunder because that is what is imminently doable, because all we have are bandages, is doing the best he can. A Democratic candidate who claims that such remedies are sufficient, who makes a virtue of bandaging, has forgotten the world that should, and must, be. Effectively he answers the trenchant problem of white supremacy by claiming “something something socialism, and then a miracle occurs.”

No. Fifteen years ago we watched a candidate elevate class above all. And now we see that same candidate invoking class to deliver another blow to affirmative action. And that is only the latest instance of populism failing black people.

The left, above all, should know better than this. When Sanders dismisses reparations because they are “divisive” he puts himself in poor company. “Divisive” is how Joe Lieberman swatted away his interlocutors. “Divisive” is how the media dismissed the public option. “Divisive” is what Hillary Clinton is calling Sanders’s single-player platform right now.

So “divisive” was Abraham Lincoln’s embrace of abolition that it got him shot in the head. So “divisive” was Lyndon Johnson’s embrace of civil rights that it fractured the Democratic Party. So “divisive” was Ulysses S. Grant’s defense of black civil rights and war upon the Klan, that American historians spent the better part of a century destroying his reputation. So “divisive” was Martin Luther King Jr. that his own government bugged him, harassed him, and demonized him until he was dead. And now, in our time, politicians tout their proximity to that same King, and dismiss the completion of his work—the full pursuit of equality—as “divisive.” The point is not that reparations is not divisive. The point is that anti-racism is always divisive. A left radicalism that makes Clintonism its standard for anti-racism—fully knowing it could never do such a thing in the realm of labor, for instance—has embraced evasion.

This, too, leaves us in poor company. “Hillary Clinton is against reparations, too” does not differ from, “What about black-on-black crime?” That Clinton doesn’t support reparations is an actual problem, much like high murder rates in black communities are actual problems. But neither of these are actual answers to the questions being asked. It is not wrong to ask about high murder rates in black communities. But when the question is furnished as an answer for police violence, it is evasion. It is not wrong to ask why mainstream Democrats don’t support reparations. But when the question is asked to defend a radical Democrat’s lack of support, it is avoidance.

The need for so many (although not all) of Sanders’s supporters to deflect the question, to speak of Hillary Clinton instead of directly assessing whether Sanders’s position is consistent, intelligent, and moral hints at something terrible and unsaid. The terribleness is this: To destroy white supremacy we must commit ourselves to the promotion of unpopular policy. To commit ourselves solely to the promotion of popular policy means making peace with white supremacy.

But hope still lies in the imagined thing. Liberals have dared to believe in the seemingly impossible—a socialist presiding over the most capitalist nation to ever exist. If the liberal imagination is so grand as to assert this new American reality, why when confronting racism, presumably a mere adjunct of class, should it suddenly come up shaky? Is shy incrementalism really the lesson of this fortuitous outburst of Vermont radicalism? Or is it that constraining the political imagination, too, constrains the possible? If we can be inspired to directly address class in such radical ways, why should we allow our imaginative powers end there?

These and other questions were recently put to Sanders. His answer was underwhelming. It does not have to be this way. One could imagine a candidate asserting the worth of reparations, the worth of John Conyers H.R. 40, while also correctly noting the present lack of working coalition. What should be unimaginable is defaulting to the standard of Clintonism, of “Yes, but she’s against it, too.” A left radicalism that fails to debate its own standards, that counsels misdirection, that preaches avoidance, is really just a radicalism of convenience.

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Ta-Nehisi Coates wrote about Bernie Sanders.... [View all] , no_i_cant_dance, Wed Jan-20-16 12:15 PM
 
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HA @ "set up"
Jan 20th 2016
1
I'd rather American schools stop segregating history and teach the truth
Jan 20th 2016
2
Id rather have the cash
Jan 20th 2016
3
      and how much cash should each person of African descent get?
Jan 20th 2016
21
      Idk about Brooklyn but w/e 40 acres + a mule amounts to in $ in 2016
Jan 20th 2016
26
           Those acts were reversed so... I couldn't argue for those
Jan 20th 2016
29
                LoL, you're looking for ways to not give Blk ppl they $ in a hypothetica...
Jan 20th 2016
31
                     This whole topic/discussion is full on lol.
Jan 20th 2016
36
      fuck the cash. cash can be burned.
Jan 21st 2016
72
he's right, Bernie's entire platform has zero chance of making it throug...
Jan 20th 2016
4
yep.
Jan 20th 2016
6
Ta-Na is right. But Bernie is a politician.
Jan 20th 2016
5
this is a logical fallacy.
Jan 20th 2016
7
That's not the logic.
Jan 20th 2016
8
Of course Sanders knows his platform is unrealistic.
Jan 20th 2016
13
      sure, guy.
Jan 20th 2016
15
Great read. Bernie needs be called out on his bullshit
Jan 20th 2016
9
ha he's definitely not the white people's champ -- Trump has that one
Jan 20th 2016
23
i fear that this reparations-unicorn has become real to coates
Jan 20th 2016
10
Low expectations, huh?
Jan 20th 2016
12
You are 100% correct. But those facts have nothing to do with the
Jan 20th 2016
18
as low as one demographic's expectations of another
Jan 20th 2016
24
its real and happening. right now. you should help it become reality nm
Jan 20th 2016
17
The POTUS is Black, just want to point that out
Jan 20th 2016
11
Because Obama and Clinton are pragmatists.
Jan 20th 2016
14
      there are some really obvious differences if you'll get off your anti-sa...
Jan 20th 2016
16
      man, everyone would come up if we got reperations
Jan 20th 2016
22
           no most would likely go down. At least most with brown skin.
Jan 20th 2016
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                nah, give me the money and get the fuck out the way
Jan 20th 2016
32
                     As if it would go down like that. You'd get the money and be targeted
Jan 20th 2016
37
                          I thought we were already targeted...
Jan 20th 2016
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                               Good point. Well -- take the money and run I guess?
Jan 21st 2016
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      the short-term memory loss is astounding.
Jan 20th 2016
45
           The totally made-up alternate reality is more astounding to me.
Jan 20th 2016
46
                #DatBernieTho
Jan 20th 2016
49
                     RE: #DatBernieTho
Jan 22nd 2016
88
                          never seen you *quite* this manic.
Jan 22nd 2016
93
                               It is pretty disheartening.
Jan 22nd 2016
94
Niggas think reparations is a reality, but single-payer isn't'?
Jan 20th 2016
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We got single payer. Just need more people covered by it.
Jan 20th 2016
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      We don't have anything near single payer. Stop it
Jan 20th 2016
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           RE: Medicare
Jan 20th 2016
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                That's one buyer of many not single payer.
Jan 20th 2016
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                     Lol you don't know wtf you're talking about.
Jan 21st 2016
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                          it's A single payer....it's not THE single payer
Jan 21st 2016
60
I just want a nominee already. I'm tired of these hot takes.
Jan 20th 2016
25
I wish Putin could run. At least he gets shit done.
Jan 20th 2016
28
LoL, the hot takes is all we got! It's gonna be veto this & executive or...
Jan 20th 2016
30
election season should begin in January of the election year
Jan 20th 2016
34
I'd love to see campaign reform that reduced the election season to a mo...
Jan 20th 2016
38
      Where was your support for Lawrence Lessig?
Jan 20th 2016
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      YES
Jan 20th 2016
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yep
Feb 01st 2016
143
apparently mcwhor(e)ter was chomping @ the bit to take a shot @ the god
Jan 20th 2016
40
I was done reading that right here:
Jan 20th 2016
44
this $hit right here:
Jan 21st 2016
66
lol
Jan 20th 2016
42
imo Sanders gave a reasonable reply.
Jan 20th 2016
43
Fuck Coates for this. I stopped reading here:
Jan 20th 2016
47
I understood this as TNC saying that addressing structural poverty
Jan 21st 2016
63
Why single out Bernie though? I don't get it?
Jan 20th 2016
51
RE: Why single out Bernie though? I don't get it?
Jan 20th 2016
52
A lot of folks don't want to ruffle Clinton's feathers...
Jan 21st 2016
55
Chuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhchhh!!!!!
Jan 21st 2016
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yo
Jan 21st 2016
61
Thank ya...
Jan 21st 2016
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Yup.
Jan 21st 2016
62
I was laughing my ass off at that.
Jan 21st 2016
83
Exactly, the Coates been Compromised
Jan 21st 2016
77
Let's see if he fixes his lips to go hard at Hillary around race
Jan 21st 2016
80
Hammer dont hurt em
Jan 21st 2016
79
I think that's the angle a Michael Eric Dyson or a Melissa Harris Perry ...
Jan 21st 2016
84
RE: I think that's the angle a Michael Eric Dyson or a Melissa Harris Pe...
Jan 22nd 2016
87
RE: I'd like to believe if hillary asked the same question,
Jan 22nd 2016
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Damn
Jan 21st 2016
85
Yep it's all negro management class and black public intellectual politi...
Jan 25th 2016
108
Because Bernie's whole pitch is standing up for the little guy
Jan 21st 2016
69
My uncle basically laid it out.....
Jan 21st 2016
57
But how can reparations be the barometer on a candidates Down For
Jan 21st 2016
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RE: I think it's a set up lol.
Jan 21st 2016
59
Alright, this is officially some BS. Compare HRC's reply to Bern's
Jan 21st 2016
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RE: Ta-Nehisi Coates wrote about Bernie Sanders....
Jan 21st 2016
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Killa Kill from the 'ville responds to Coates
Jan 21st 2016
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err that grammar
Jan 21st 2016
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      It's from Twitter
Jan 21st 2016
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           Don't matter. Dude's a brand or at least becoming one.
Jan 21st 2016
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                Chill
Jan 21st 2016
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                     *smashes keyboard*
Jan 21st 2016
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                          death nail tho.
Jan 26th 2016
134
Call this article what it is, Low Hanging Fruit for name recognition.
Jan 21st 2016
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LOL
Jan 21st 2016
74
RE: Glenn Greenwald wrote about Bernie Sanders attacks....
Jan 21st 2016
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Glenn bodied that.
Jan 21st 2016
81
      “Are you the establishment?” Blitzer asked the former First Lady,
Jan 22nd 2016
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      is the Bloomberg threat stage 7?
Jan 25th 2016
109
Reparations isn't a policy, its a buzzword.
Jan 22nd 2016
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there is a policy, you just dont know it.
Jan 22nd 2016
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      You're wrong
Jan 23rd 2016
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      lol cmon
Jan 23rd 2016
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It's really strange to me that people interpret this as "pro-Hillary"
Jan 22nd 2016
92
^ his newest article should make that point clear. LOL
Jan 25th 2016
124
whats your issue with Ta-Nehisi Coates?
Jan 23rd 2016
97
His analysis/critiques are not queered or feminist.
Jan 25th 2016
123
for a nanosecond u forget this is *litrally* impossible @ chris traeger
Jan 25th 2016
99
RE: Coates' response to the critics (swipe)
Jan 25th 2016
100
Well, what does Coates want? What does he expect? What is he doing?
Jan 25th 2016
101
Acknowledgement and balls from the left
Jan 25th 2016
102
      yeah but in the meantime he's hurting Bernie and helping Hillary
Jan 25th 2016
103
      He kinda Mortal Kombat'ed Hilary in this piece though
Jan 25th 2016
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           But she's not a focus of either article
Jan 25th 2016
126
      But Bernie is not Shrugging off any race issues.
Jan 25th 2016
104
           Bernie found time to do alot of 'unelectable' things though
Jan 25th 2016
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                RE: Bernie found time to do alot of 'unelectable' things though
Jan 25th 2016
110
                Man, it's like we want a candidate for us but we keep shooting them down
Jan 25th 2016
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                RE: KNEW not to talk about race
Jan 25th 2016
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                     Looking at the Vox article he said this:
Jan 25th 2016
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                          it sounds like bernie doesnt agree with reparations
Jan 25th 2016
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                          Its nearly impossible to be pro-reparations
Jan 26th 2016
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                          RE: the status quo
Jan 25th 2016
118
                               With race? Absolutely
Jan 25th 2016
120
RE: A Democratic candidate who offers class-based remedies to
Jan 25th 2016
107
You say that as if Bernie could get more than 13% as-is.
Jan 25th 2016
119
The comparison to Europe is especially damning to sanders platform
Jan 25th 2016
116
His core tenant- that reparations fixes white supremacy- is false
Jan 25th 2016
121
Bern is the only candidate discussing race BUT not how TNC suggest...
Jan 25th 2016
125
my favorite response was from Green Party member and writer Bruce Dixon
Jan 25th 2016
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my favorite response was from Green Party member and writer Bruce Dixon
Jan 25th 2016
115
LoL, TNC said on All in w/ Chris Hayes that he doesn't think people
Jan 25th 2016
122
      He either doesn't understand the power of his words
Jan 25th 2016
127
           Bernie has not been polling well w/ Black folks before TNC piece tho.
Jan 25th 2016
128
Here, he wrote about Hil-dog for ya'll
Jan 26th 2016
129
I think he was surprisingly naive about how the Bernie piece
Jan 26th 2016
130
I think he was surprisingly naive about how dumb his readers are.
Jan 26th 2016
132
      Well this is the middle of a an election season where people
Jan 26th 2016
133
      RE: I think he was surprisingly naive about how dumb his readers are.
Jan 26th 2016
135
I was wondering when he was gonna walk-back.
Jan 26th 2016
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clearly folks arent too smart
Feb 01st 2016
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who the hell is voting based on an answer to reparations?
Jan 26th 2016
131
RE: who the hell is voting based on an answer to reparations?
Jan 26th 2016
136
      smh... I'm not talking about Coates
Jan 27th 2016
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           RE: smh... I'm not talking about Coates
Jan 27th 2016
140
Pre Caucus Iowa numbers r in...Hillary and Trump lead their parties..
Jan 30th 2016
141
Blacks really have no spine
Jan 31st 2016
142

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