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"No post on the "completely obliterated" Germanwings flight?"


          

bizarre circumstances - catastrophic for the families involved.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/25/world/europe/germanwings-crash.html

PARIS — A German jetliner on a routine flight to Düsseldorf from Barcelona, Spain, rapidly lost altitude for more than eight minutes and then crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday morning with 144 passengers and six crew members aboard, the airline said.

Prime Minister Manuel Valls of France said that no one on the plane had survived the crash.

The crash site is in a rugged part of the Alpes de Haute-Provence region of southeastern France that President François Hollande said at a news conference was very difficult to reach on the ground. The French Interior Ministry said that more than 400 police officers and rescue personnel had been sent to the area.

“As it is often the case in mountainous regions, the crash took place in a remote area unreachable by land” said Benoît Zeisser, a police captain in Digne, about 16 miles southwest of the crash site. “But we managed to quickly access the crash zone by helicopter this morning.”

Two officers from the specialized mountain police force and a doctor “all dropped onto the crash scene with cables shortly after 11 a.m.,” Captain Zeisser said. “The gendarmes were able to confirm that a crash had occurred at this particular location and that the plane was completely smashed.”

The German foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, who flew over the crash scene on Tuesday, called the scene “a picture of horror.”

In the early evening, the French interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, reported that the plane’s cockpit voice recorder, one of the plane’s two “black boxes,” had been found. The device records up to two hours of the pilots’ conversations as well as other cockpit sounds, including any alarms that may have gone off during the flight.

A French official with direct knowledge of the investigation said searchers were still looking for the other black box, the flight data recorder, which keeps track of roughly 1,300 different statistics about the aircraft’s operational performance.

The aircraft, an Airbus A320, operated by Germanwings, a budget subsidiary of Lufthansa, took off from Barcelona at 10:01 a.m. The jet, Flight 9525, climbed normally to its cruising altitude of 38,000 feet but remained there for only a few minutes before beginning to descend at a high rate, the managing director of Germanwings, Thomas Winkelmann, told reporters.

When French air traffic controllers lost contact with the aircraft at about 10:53, it was flying at just 6,000 feet, Mr. Winkelmann said, and it crashed shortly afterward. Witnesses in the area of the crash site said that the terrain there rose to an elevation of more than 6,000 feet.

The wreckage was located by a French military helicopter near the town of Prads-Haute-Bléone, according to Eric Héraud, a spokesman in Paris for the aviation authority, the Direction Générale de l’Aviation Civile.

Aviation safety experts said that a steady descent of more than eight minutes, while highly unusual, may not be consistent with a sudden midair upset, such as an aerodynamic stall. In such cases, they said, they would expect a plane to fall from cruising altitude to the ground in half that time or less.

“While investigators still need to verify the data are correct, eight minutes is definitely longer, compared with the experience we have had in past cases,” said Olivier Ferrante, a former crash investigator for the French government who now advises the European Commission in Brussels. He cited the Air France flight that crashed over the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, which fell to sea level from 38,000 feet in three and a half minutes.

The early images of wreckage, showing debris in small pieces strewn over a rugged mountainside, suggested that the plane had probably struck the ground at very high speed, Mr. Ferrante said, but he cautioned that it was far too early to speculate about why.

Mr. Valls, the prime minister, told the French National Assembly on Tuesday that no hypothesis about the cause of the crash could yet be excluded, and that a judicial investigation had been opened. He said France would do everything possible to support the families of victims.

Frédéric Atger, a spokesman for Météo France, which monitors weather across the country, said that the conditions had been “particularly calm” in the area at the time of the crash.

“The visibility was good, and there were little clouds at low altitudes,” he said. “There were no convected clouds at the time of the crash, and the wind was light. There was no alarming weather. The flying conditions were usual.”

Temperatures below freezing were expected overnight, though, with a chance of snow, complicating search and recovery efforts, the French Interior Ministry said in a statement.

Mr. Hollande said that many of the people on board were German, and that none were believed to be French. King Felipe VI of Spain, who had just arrived in Paris for a state visit when the crash was reported, said that Spanish and Turkish citizens had also been on the flight, and Reuters reported that there was one Belgian.

“We must feel grief, because this is a tragedy that happened on our soil,” Mr. Hollande said. “I want to make sure that there have been no other consequences as the accident happened in a very difficult area to access, and I do not know yet if there were houses nearby. We will know in the next few hours. In the meantime, we must show support.”

Bruno Lambert, a mountain guide who lives in Chanolles, a hamlet in the Prads-Haute-Bléone municipality, said the area of the crash was sparsely populated with steep mountain terrain.

“The mountains are very hard to access — there is no road access, neither in the summer nor the winter,” he said. “The people around here live in very isolated hamlets, and at this time of year, there is almost no one.”

Sandrine Julien, an employee at the town hall in Seynes-les-Alpes, said that a command center had been set up in the town. Neither she nor her colleagues had seen or heard anything, she said, and as a result they had all been surprised when rescue operations started.

“There are four to five helicopters, and lots of police cars, firefighters and ambulances,” Ms. Julien said, adding that the crash site was at an elevation of more than 6,500 feet. “So the helicopters are doing most of the work at the moment.”

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Officials in Haltern am See, a small city near Dortmund in northwestern Germany, said that 16 10th-grade students and two teachers from a local high school, the Joseph-Königs Gymnasium, were aboard the plane. They were returning from an annual exchange with students from the Institut Giola in Llinars del Vallès, near Barcelona, the school wrote on its home page.

The French president, the German chancellor and the Spanish prime minister discussed the next steps their countries are taking after a Germanwings plane crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday. Publish Date March 24, 2015. Photo by Ian Langsdon/European Pressphoto Agency.
“This is the darkest day in the history of our city,” said Bodo Klimpel, the mayor.

He said the school closed and sent students home when the news of the crash was confirmed. He said the school would reopen on Wednesday, but instead of holding regular classes, students and teachers would gather in the auditorium to begin working through their grief.

“You can imagine that tomorrow will also be a difficult day,” Mr. Klimpel told reporters.

Hans-Josef Böing, an administrator for the city, said in a telephone interview that many parents had gone to the Düsseldorf airport to meet their children, and that psychiatrists were there to assist them.

Pere Grivé, an official in Llinars del Vallès, the Spanish town where the German students had stayed with local families, said that “everybody here is in complete shock.”

The type of aircraft that crashed, an Airbus A320 single-aisle jet, is a workhorse of many airline fleets, with more than 5,600 in service around the world. More than one billion passenger journeys were flown on jets in the A320 series — which includes a smaller version, the A319, and a stretched model, the A321 — in the last year, according to estimates by Ascend, a London-based aviation consultancy.

The safety record of the A320 series has been very good, but not completely spotless. Since entering into service in 1988, A320 aircraft have been involved in 12 fatal accidents, according to Ascend.

Heike Birlenbach, an executive from Lufthansa, told reporters at the Barcelona airport that the plane used for Flight 9525 dated from 1990 and had logged 58,000 hours of flight time. She said it was checked by technicians on Monday in Düsseldorf, without any problems.

Airbus said in a statement on Tuesday that “all efforts are now going towards assessing the situation” and that it would provde more information when it became available.

In Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel called the crash a “terrible shock” and said: “I feel terribly sorry, because so many people died in this disaster. Our thoughts and prayers are with these people.” She said she would fly to southern France on Wednesday to meet with the authorities there.

Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy of Spain said he had spoken with Ms. Merkel and with the Spanish king, who cut short his Paris visit to return to Spain. “We are all deeply moved and will do everything we can to help the families of the victims,” Mr. Rajoy said.

Germanwings, based in Cologne, was founded in 2002 and acquired by Lufthansa in 2009. It has since grown to become Lufthansa’s main operator for domestic and short-haul European flights from cities other than the main hubs of Munich and Frankfurt. It has a fleet of around 81 planes, of which about two-thirds are Airbus A320s and A319s.

The crash was the first fatal accident involving the Lufthansa group of airlines — which also includes Austrian Airlines and Swiss — in more than two decades, and the deadliest since 1974, when a Lufthansa Boeing 747 crashed on takeoff in Nairobi, Kenya, killing 59 of the 157 passengers and crew onboard.

There had not been a major deadly crash of a jetliner on French soil since July 2000, when a Concorde crashed on takeoff in Paris, killing 113 people. >The Air France jet that crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in June 2009 killed 228 people. It had been flying from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.


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No post on the "completely obliterated" Germanwings flight? [View all] , Vex_id, Tue Mar-24-15 03:18 PM
 
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planes be crashin.
Mar 24th 2015
1
seen. Plus, it was a Euro flight. They're white, they'll be alright.
Mar 24th 2015
2
well, no. b/c they dead.
Mar 24th 2015
3
      their privilege will survive into the afterlife.
Mar 24th 2015
4
           #realtears
Mar 24th 2015
5
           not if they checked it. Maybe if they carried it on.
Mar 24th 2015
6
           LMAO
Mar 24th 2015
7
           So they woulda survived on Spirit Airlines?
Mar 24th 2015
8
           Caught up in the clouds. Caught up in the Spirit.
Mar 24th 2015
10
           Lmao! I love you sowhat
Mar 26th 2015
59
           yes - but with Spirit privilege doesn't fly free. There's a fee.
Mar 24th 2015
12
           LOL
Mar 26th 2015
53
           OMFG LOLZ
Mar 26th 2015
79
           Well done.
Mar 27th 2015
138
           i got that privilege 2 for 10, 2 for 10
Mar 25th 2015
33
LOL at awl of this ^^^
Mar 26th 2015
60
archive.
Mar 24th 2015
9
yup
Mar 24th 2015
11
the exchange was flawless
Mar 24th 2015
16
right
Mar 24th 2015
17
      Obliterated that underwear model
Mar 27th 2015
110
This is the post on it.
Mar 24th 2015
13
It's not really popping in the real world either
Mar 24th 2015
14
a plane disappearing is more intriguing than a plane crashing
Mar 25th 2015
31
it's frightening
Mar 24th 2015
15
Apparently one pilot was locked out of the cockpit? (swipe)
Mar 25th 2015
18
pilot crashed the plane on purpose, it seems...or passed out
Mar 25th 2015
20
.
Mar 25th 2015
22
maybe a relapsing alcoholic grief-stricken over the loss of his daughter
Mar 26th 2015
100
Wild if true. hopefully we'll have a transparent investigation.
Mar 25th 2015
24
      investigator said the co-pilot set the plane on auto-descent
Mar 26th 2015
36
      serious question, do you insert conspiracy into everything
Mar 26th 2015
39
           where was conspiracy inserted?
Mar 26th 2015
66
                why wouldn't there be a transparent investigation?
Mar 26th 2015
87
                     Did we have a transparent investigation w/ Mike Brown?
Mar 26th 2015
90
damn, I know yall just funnin...but 150 people died
Mar 25th 2015
19
i was rolling my eyes at the quotes around completely obliterated.
Mar 25th 2015
21
except that there was foul play...
Mar 26th 2015
65
      foul play in the form of missiles or a bomb, i said.
Mar 26th 2015
84
           SoWhat be simplifyin'
Mar 26th 2015
85
                *finger guns*
Mar 26th 2015
86
agreed...nm
Mar 25th 2015
25
ikr
Mar 26th 2015
35
yeah, so sad
Mar 26th 2015
40
oh wait 148 people and 2 Americans
Mar 25th 2015
23
lol right..we talked about this at work.
Mar 25th 2015
26
      Inwoke up this morning like no we didnt
Mar 25th 2015
28
Now they saying the pilot wasn't in the cockpit? WTH?
Mar 25th 2015
27
they're saying the pilot was slamming on the door to get back in
Mar 25th 2015
29
where are the profiles of the pilots?
Mar 25th 2015
30
      what's really odd is that this happened recently
Mar 26th 2015
34
           Why don't they have keys?
Mar 26th 2015
37
                well, it's obvious why they don't have keys...
Mar 26th 2015
41
                they said there are 3 positions for the lock. Unlocked, Normal and Locke...
Mar 26th 2015
42
I miss the old days when planes crashed due to mechanical issues
Mar 25th 2015
32
CNN is saying it's definitely deliberate... Breaking news this morning
Mar 26th 2015
38
yup - the circumstances were quite bizarre leading to the crash
Mar 26th 2015
43
god dammit
Mar 26th 2015
46
so, they don't want to call this an act of terrorism
Mar 26th 2015
44
not until they know if the co-pilot is Muslim, of course.
Mar 26th 2015
45
smdh
Mar 26th 2015
47
it's that good ol' double speak.
Mar 26th 2015
Of course it's relevant.
Mar 26th 2015
48
k.
Mar 26th 2015
50
i agree with you for once
Mar 26th 2015
57
      :-(
Mar 26th 2015
58
           it was a terrible question mainly due to word choice
Mar 26th 2015
70
           its not for journalists to ask probing questions?
Mar 26th 2015
83
i think they already know the pilot is muslim...
Mar 26th 2015
62
      n/m
Mar 26th 2015
89
terrorism is meant to send a message
Mar 26th 2015
49
agreed.
Mar 26th 2015
51
we don't know if he had a religious or political message though
Mar 26th 2015
52
      just saying it's far to early to call this terrorism
Mar 26th 2015
55
           but it should be on the table as a possibility
Mar 26th 2015
56
depends: will it benefit the "war on terror" narrative?
Mar 26th 2015
68
Watch the media struggle with this since it doesn't fit the narrative
Mar 26th 2015
54
RE: Watch the media struggle with this since it doesn't fit the narrativ...
Mar 26th 2015
63
      and it ain't even Friday
Mar 26th 2015
67
      the coverage would be totally different if the (co) pilot was an arab
Mar 26th 2015
71
           agreed
Mar 26th 2015
72
           yup
Mar 26th 2015
95
           true that
Mar 27th 2015
112
What was really disturbing...
Mar 26th 2015
61
that's only the protocol for domestic and inbound (U.S.) flights:
Mar 26th 2015
64
more than likely if it was sabotage the co-pilot tricked the pilot
Mar 26th 2015
69
this reminds me a lot of Air France 447...
Mar 26th 2015
77
The co-pilot who locked the door is German
Mar 26th 2015
73
plenty of slavic muslims although I'm not happy with the trajectory
Mar 26th 2015
80
why are ppl so eager to label this dude terrorist vs mass murderer?
Mar 26th 2015
74
dunno
Mar 26th 2015
75
      if the other pilot was locked out of the cockpit, that suggest a deliber...
Mar 26th 2015
76
           welp
Mar 26th 2015
78
We can assume the co-pilot was probably not muslim
Mar 26th 2015
81
RE: No post on the 2 million people killed in the Iraq War
Mar 26th 2015
82
terrorism...nm
Mar 26th 2015
88
y'all going to hell for making me laugh in here
Mar 26th 2015
91
no such thing as hell, so u good....nm
Mar 26th 2015
93
      dont be in here messing up my jokes with sense!
Mar 26th 2015
99
damn, this seems like the quickest blackbox analysis/release ever
Mar 26th 2015
92
Conspiracy theory! They shot they plane down and planted that black box....
Mar 26th 2015
94
yeah, exactly...like they flew straight in and picked it up...
Mar 26th 2015
96
      the recorder sends a signal that can be used to track it.
Mar 26th 2015
97
      I'm aware...
Mar 26th 2015
102
           well, yeah.
Mar 26th 2015
103
      it wasn't like they crashed in the ocean.
Mar 26th 2015
101
alright. fuck it, I am going to go full on foil hat for a second.
Mar 26th 2015
98
This is terrible and my heart goes out to the families
Mar 26th 2015
104
it made me feel better when i read they didnt know
Mar 26th 2015
109
watching Maddow
Mar 26th 2015
105
What is this?
Mar 26th 2015
106
a pilot committing murder/suicide with a plane?
Mar 26th 2015
107
      Yep
Mar 26th 2015
108
           ive been alive the last 20 years
Mar 27th 2015
125
                RE: ive been alive the last 20 years
Mar 27th 2015
137
                     Yes she included smaller planes
Mar 27th 2015
139
                          And non murder suicides
Mar 27th 2015
146
                               Nika stated that, yes
Mar 28th 2015
148
Reminds me of something I once read
Mar 27th 2015
111
      umpfh
Mar 27th 2015
117
      i can understand that.
Mar 27th 2015
122
      me too
Mar 27th 2015
144
      im thinking dude was just diagnosed with a terminal illness
Mar 27th 2015
123
           NPR says he was sick. Medical records were found at his home
Mar 27th 2015
127
this sets a bad precedent
Mar 27th 2015
113
huh?
Mar 27th 2015
114
      chile...
Mar 27th 2015
119
      lolz
Mar 27th 2015
141
      the pilot is claiming a depressive episode caused the crash
Mar 27th 2015
128
      If the pilot was alive they would put him under the jail.
Mar 27th 2015
130
      my bad, the media is spinning it that way
Mar 27th 2015
131
      The pilot isn't claiming a thing
Mar 27th 2015
136
      lol
Mar 27th 2015
142
There is a fragility to the coverage and overall attention surrounding t...
Mar 27th 2015
115
i totally agree.
Mar 27th 2015
116
Agreed
Mar 27th 2015
118
word.
Mar 27th 2015
121
yep
Mar 27th 2015
129
RE: There is a fragility to the coverage and overall attention surroundi...
Mar 28th 2015
147
when i heard it, the first thing that came to my mind
Mar 27th 2015
120
relevant: http://imgur.com/Ag9MMOT
Mar 27th 2015
126
      yep, just like that
Mar 28th 2015
149
We will never know the truth.
Mar 27th 2015
124
have u ever seen a pilot leave the cockpit?
Mar 27th 2015
132
i've seen
Mar 27th 2015
133
Yeah. Int'l flight. Pilot was up walking around talking to folks
Mar 27th 2015
134
lol that autopilot be working like shit tho
Mar 27th 2015
140
I have
Mar 27th 2015
135
buncha times. sometimes to get a "drink"
Mar 27th 2015
143
on long distance flights, pilots will leave and go sleep...
Mar 27th 2015
145
this whole thing is amazing/disturbing
Mar 29th 2015
150
apparently dude's fiance dumped him the day before the crash
Mar 29th 2015
151

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