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Subject: "lol I got booed in here for asking the same thing a while back"
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Jon
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Wed Mar-18-15 12:58 PM
14. "lol I got booed in here for asking the same thing a while back"
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On: The theory of fluidity as it pertains to gender/sex, and race.
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Good post. Short answer, I think we can and will
T Reynolds
Mar 18th 2015
1
in a word: ignorance.
CyrenYoung
Mar 18th 2015
2
its been chalked up to and dismissed as #tragicmulatto
lfresh
Mar 18th 2015
3
people brought it up with the raven symone thing i thinki
southphillyman
Mar 18th 2015
4
Ghouliani gave it a go with Obama
rawsouthpaw
Mar 18th 2015
5
fabulous point.
spades
Mar 18th 2015
7
RE: Ghouliani gave it a go with Obama
Vex_id
Mar 18th 2015
10
RE: Ghouliani gave it a go with Obama
rawsouthpaw
Mar 18th 2015
30
Race and gender ain't the same
Musa
Mar 18th 2015
6
Yeah, gender's a real thing.
spades
Mar 18th 2015
8
bingo
Jon
Mar 18th 2015
12
it's no more 'real' than race.
SoWhat
Mar 18th 2015
13
I disagree - in part.
spades
Mar 18th 2015
16
sex/gender.
SoWhat
Mar 18th 2015
22
Almost exactly what I was going to say. Also
Jon
Mar 18th 2015
29
. . .
SoWhat
Mar 18th 2015
37
right.
Vex_id
Mar 18th 2015
20
RE: right.
SoWhat
Mar 18th 2015
25
RE: right.
Vex_id
Mar 18th 2015
28
RE: right.
SoWhat
Mar 18th 2015
34
thanks - I'm familiar w/ the academic sources.
Vex_id
Mar 20th 2015
82
here's where it gets tricky
John Forte
Mar 18th 2015
23
yes/no.
SoWhat
Mar 18th 2015
31
I was using gender and sex interchangeably because
John Forte
Mar 18th 2015
35
they're not the same though.
SoWhat
Mar 18th 2015
38
you're right, they're not, but there's overlap
John Forte
Mar 18th 2015
39
there is.
SoWhat
Mar 18th 2015
40
fluidity requires equality, IMO
spades
Mar 18th 2015
9
I dunno that the fluidity of race identity isn't accepted.
SoWhat
Mar 18th 2015
11
lol I'm almost positive you were one of the first ones to
Jon
Mar 18th 2015
19
i don't care if i was.
SoWhat
Mar 18th 2015
24
the vessel can, at times, influence the message.
spades
Mar 18th 2015
18
Race is a social construct that doesn't do complexity all that well.
Buddy_Gilapagos
Mar 18th 2015
15
yup
Ashy Achilles
Mar 18th 2015
21
RE: Race is a social construct that doesn't do complexity all that well....
Vex_id
Mar 18th 2015
26
I think Gender is a social construct. Sex is not.
Buddy_Gilapagos
Mar 18th 2015
33
but sex is not a binary. There are people who don't fit neatly into m/f
John Forte
Mar 18th 2015
41
yup. they're intersexed.
SoWhat
Mar 18th 2015
42
Exactly and its' not limited to what we used to call "hermaphrodites"
John Forte
Mar 18th 2015
44
but by sheer numbers, these are all edge cases. like extremely rare
kayru99
Mar 18th 2015
47
yes but their existence is proof that sex isn't binary.
SoWhat
Mar 18th 2015
48
No one said it is binary.
Buddy_Gilapagos
Mar 18th 2015
51
Great. Bc it ain't.
SoWhat
Mar 18th 2015
52
Ok, while we are at it. Tuesday ain't Monday.
Buddy_Gilapagos
Mar 18th 2015
59
and 4 is not 5.
SoWhat
Mar 18th 2015
63
I know. I merely want to point out that this is an unnecessary tangent.
Buddy_Gilapagos
Mar 19th 2015
67
it *kinda" is
John Forte
Mar 19th 2015
68
Nancy Giles should have admitted that she played herself.
Buddy_Gilapagos
Mar 18th 2015
17
De-racination will only work when the benefits of whiteness go away
kayru99
Mar 18th 2015
27
if its real, it wouldn't wait for society to be ready
Jon
Mar 18th 2015
32
what's the "it" that you're referring to..?
kayru99
Mar 18th 2015
36
a person's ''alternate'' racial identity
Jon
Mar 18th 2015
43
gotcha
kayru99
Mar 18th 2015
46
people don't remember that the Feds put mixed race into the census?
rawsouthpaw
Mar 18th 2015
45
Hmmph
DaHeathenOne76
Mar 18th 2015
49
that's true too
T Reynolds
Mar 18th 2015
50
yuuuup. always.
kayru99
Mar 18th 2015
54
actually no, there are people in this very post promoting 'fluidity'
Vex_id
Mar 18th 2015
55
Black has always existed as a multiplicity of identity.
Sarah_Bellum
Mar 18th 2015
53
passing is proof of the fluidity.
SoWhat
Mar 18th 2015
56
but that fluidity only exists within a very narrow range of the spectrum
kayru99
Mar 18th 2015
57
RE: but that fluidity only exists within a very narrow range of the spec...
Vex_id
Mar 18th 2015
62
and?
SoWhat
Mar 18th 2015
64
"racial fluidity", as discussed in the OP reeks of convenient side-stepp...
kayru99
Mar 18th 2015
65
you could've just kept it at this and called it a day:
Vex_id
Mar 19th 2015
69
ooooor I could share my thoughts and voice an opinion
kayru99
Mar 19th 2015
70
*holding ya cape like*
bonitaapplebaum71481
Mar 22nd 2015
85
The post can end here.
Meadow
Mar 18th 2015
58
RE: The post can end here.
Vex_id
Mar 18th 2015
61
That isnt the point.
Meadow
Mar 19th 2015
75
it kinda is, though.
Vex_id
Mar 19th 2015
79
RE: it kinda is, though.
Meadow
Mar 21st 2015
84
Because men still disproportionately have the drive, the ambition, the
Shaun Tha Don
Mar 19th 2015
77
k.
Vex_id
Mar 19th 2015
78
yep
lfresh
Mar 18th 2015
60
Maybe because race by skin color is a false human coping concept.
Case_One
Mar 18th 2015
66
Do you, personally, wish to identify as other races, Vex?
Boogie Stimuli
Mar 19th 2015
71
I identify ethnographically, not racially. So, no.
Vex_id
Mar 19th 2015
72
one could argue that's a luxury that isn't afforded to certain minoritie...
John Forte
Mar 19th 2015
73
quite true - which is why everyone's respective identity
Vex_id
Mar 19th 2015
74
I agree w/ Sarah Bellum & fluidity analysis doesn't address structural ...
no_i_cant_dance
Mar 19th 2015
76
maybe i'm not understanding the question
GirlChild
Mar 19th 2015
80
RE: maybe i'm not understanding the question
Vex_id
Mar 20th 2015
81
There is this kind of wrapped up discussion in lit, Larsen, Baldwin, et ...
ConcreteCharlie
Mar 20th 2015
83
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