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TheAlbionist
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26. "One last try."
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>That is what we are debating after-all.

I thought we were debating whether YOU (a human on planet Earth) are 'recorded' into eternity?

I have two problems - the first is with it being a human and not a star. Looking at the HDF shows you a rather simple yet important thing - enormous light SOURCES are visible for a lot farther than tiny light REFLECTORS. The inverse square law states that light received from an object will reduce exponentially as distance increases... as it's a perfect inverse square ratio an object twice as bright as another will be visible for four times as far.

Our Sun is TRILLIONS (hell that's probably too small) of times brighter than you and so whereas there might only be enough photons from you to make you visible for a light minute, there will be enough to see The Sun for possibly billions of light years.

By the time the light from you reached the farthest reaches of space it'll be indistinguishable from any other random packet of light - how does that constitute recording you? How could anyone tell? It's like saying I could record the Complete Works Of Shakespeare by only writing one word. It might be a word Shakespeare used, but it's not Romeo and Juliet.

The clarity of the
>image does not concern me, the fact that it is traveling
>forever in space, does. Also, you are just speculating, you
>cannot say for certain we won't be able to decode the
>information into an image when the Hubble Deep field proves
>that we can.
>
>According to your assumptions, the thousands of galaxies that
>we see should be scattered beyond the point of recognition,
>but they are not.

No, because they emit vastly more photons and so will be visible for vastly squared more distance.
>
>Take a look at the image.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Deep_Field#mediaviewer/File:HubbleDeepField.800px.jpg
>
>Should the image be a scattered mess of unrecognizable
>photon's?

No. Same reason as above.

>How can I perceive the correct shapes of >the
>galaxies from 13 billion years ago even though we see nothing
>but pitch black sky in that part of the sky today?
>
>

Because you are still within their range of visibility according to the inverse square law. Because they're MASSIVE AND BRIGHT.



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The universe is always Recording / Eternity / Infinite [View all] , initiationofplato, Mon Feb-23-15 10:09 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
my man, did you have bong hits for breakfast?
Feb 23rd 2015
1
Yawn.
Feb 23rd 2015
2
      or i coulda just been makin' a joke.
Feb 23rd 2015
3
           Yeah yeah, but seriously though.
Feb 23rd 2015
4
                indeed.
Feb 23rd 2015
5
                     Ahh, I hear ya.
Feb 23rd 2015
6
Your mind is blown far too easily.
Feb 23rd 2015
7
Yawn.
Feb 23rd 2015
8
      Aww, I was only poking fun. A more serious answer.
Feb 23rd 2015
9
           Additional: Infinity is troublesome for this.
Feb 23rd 2015
           Hubble Deep Field
Feb 23rd 2015
14
                Not infinite.
Feb 23rd 2015
15
                     So far.
Feb 23rd 2015
16
                          Hmm...
Feb 23rd 2015
18
                               RE: Hmm...
Feb 23rd 2015
20
                                    Again, inverse square law.
Feb 23rd 2015
22
                                         This law does not prove that light does not travel infinitely.
Feb 23rd 2015
24
                                             
                                                   Your assumptions and speculations prove nothing concrete.
Feb 23rd 2015
28
           Double post.
Feb 23rd 2015
11
           Even with certain limitations like closed spaces
Feb 23rd 2015
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                RE: Even with certain limitations like closed spaces
Feb 23rd 2015
13
                     RE: Even with certain limitations like closed spaces
Feb 23rd 2015
17
                          If you want to argue with maths, go ahead.
Feb 23rd 2015
19
                               You did not present any math, secondly
Feb 23rd 2015
21
                                    LOL
Feb 23rd 2015
23
                                         Infinity is an irrational concept.
Feb 23rd 2015
25
                                              Irrational? Sure. Useless? Nooooooo.
Feb 23rd 2015
27
                                                   Wrong.
Feb 23rd 2015
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                                                        RE: Wrong.
Feb 23rd 2015
30
                                                             RE: Wrong.
Feb 23rd 2015
32
                                                                  You're clearly not reading my posts.
Feb 24th 2015
35
                                                                       RE: wat
Feb 24th 2015
36
                                                                            RE: wat
Feb 24th 2015
38
                                                                                 RE: wat
Feb 24th 2015
39
                                                                                      Present these "valid points" - I've obviously missed them
Feb 24th 2015
40
                                                                                           I have already presented all my ideas calmly.
Feb 24th 2015
41
                                                                                           Lovely copout.
Feb 24th 2015
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                                                                                           Hardly.
Feb 24th 2015
43
interesting
Feb 23rd 2015
10
I think "recording" is the wrong analogy here
Feb 23rd 2015
31
RE: I think "recording" is the wrong analogy here
Feb 23rd 2015
33
      Well yeah, which has nothing to do with light at all
Feb 24th 2015
34
           That's not what happened at the end of Interstellar though
Feb 24th 2015
37

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