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Subject: "everyone has an abstract idea of chi"
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cgonz00cc
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35324 posts
Wed Feb-18-15 11:10 AM
23. "everyone has an abstract idea of chi"
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No mechanism for how it works
No physical quanta for its energy
Never directly observed
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When science identifies/names things older cultures knew before
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imcvspl
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Wed Feb-18-15 08:07 AM
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I get your line of thinking but don't know any references in older cultu...
T Reynolds
Feb 18th 2015
1
yeah, I'm at a loss here
John Forte
Feb 18th 2015
2
Me neither
SoWhat
Feb 18th 2015
4
setting myself up but: bacteria = chi
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
7
That's a bit of a logical leap
John Forte
Feb 18th 2015
8
that's not true
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
10
I was going to say that's a stretch. no yoga.
T Reynolds
Feb 18th 2015
9
structually similar
cgonz00cc
Feb 18th 2015
21
The fact that cloned organisms take on different characteristics
T Reynolds
Feb 18th 2015
25
Oh jesus fucking christ.
stravinskian
Feb 18th 2015
11
love ya... you won't ever hear me on this though
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
12
that idea is so abstract it can be retrofitted to endless modern phenome...
cgonz00cc
Feb 18th 2015
17
only because you have an abstract idea of chi
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
18
but volumes of 'medical' information was written from that
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
26
thats extremely flimsy
cgonz00cc
Feb 18th 2015
27
uhhhh... they were doing surgery before the west
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
29
how'd they see bacteria? did they have microscopes?
SoWhat
Feb 18th 2015
31
how did scientist posit things before quantum microscopes?
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
32
right on.
SoWhat
Feb 18th 2015
33
describing effects is 100% unrelated to attribution
cgonz00cc
Feb 18th 2015
39
in other words it's not scientific fact until it's scientific fact
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
43
no, im saying that a level 1 scientific fact does not indicate further k...
cgonz00cc
Feb 18th 2015
47
i think we're saying similar things
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
48
well lets get onto a narrower track under your #46 and my #49
cgonz00cc
Feb 18th 2015
50
also re: microscopes
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
34
wait:
SoWhat
Feb 18th 2015
35
i'm not saying they discovered bacteria
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
37
stop
cgonz00cc
Feb 18th 2015
41
you're saying i'm wrong, i'm saying we're both right
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
44
okay.
SoWhat
Feb 18th 2015
42
its almost certain that they did indeed make some stuff up out of thin a...
cgonz00cc
Feb 18th 2015
36
post #30
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
40
no, you cant because you seem to be missing a key component
cgonz00cc
Feb 18th 2015
45
are you denying those cultures had a process as well?
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
46
im saying that their processes were not controlled
cgonz00cc
Feb 18th 2015
49
take the kidneys
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
54
that may very well be true but dont stop there
cgonz00cc
Feb 18th 2015
56
fair enough
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
57
thats true but using terminology correctly matters in this case
cgonz00cc
Feb 18th 2015
59
also, i realize now 'knew' in the OP title is the sticking point
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
55
*backs out of post*
SoWhat
Feb 18th 2015
19
This is a better example of science validating folk wisdom
John Forte
Feb 18th 2015
3
You mean western science
Musa
Feb 18th 2015
5
by Western Science, you mean evidence-based science?
John Forte
Feb 18th 2015
6
Weak example.
initiationofplato
Feb 18th 2015
13
initiationofplato -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVt2fuV9EYY
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
14
I don't understand how this is news to anyone when
StephBMore
Feb 18th 2015
15
i think its the idea of lateral gene tranafer w/o actual transfer
cgonz00cc
Feb 18th 2015
16
This isn't just about the mother passing bacteria to the child. This is
soulfunk
Feb 18th 2015
52
Not sure what the connection is here to be honest
kwez
Feb 18th 2015
20
thats mostly what i meant by abstract. no mechanism for how it works.
cgonz00cc
Feb 18th 2015
22
you're basically saying
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
30
no, im saying that nothing is presented with a mechanism.
cgonz00cc
Feb 18th 2015
38
bacteria =/= midichloreans nm
cgonz00cc
Feb 18th 2015
24
this is why i set myself up
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
28
All i'd like to contribute is that it saddens me to know
Hitokiri
Feb 18th 2015
51
unfortunately burning books is the sharpest knife in the dogmatic toolki...
cgonz00cc
Feb 18th 2015
53
I remember hearing a piece about India rushing to catalog their shit
PoppaGeorge
Feb 18th 2015
58
Objective universal fact =/= what you do before marriage
GameTheory
Feb 18th 2015
60
LOL!!
imcvspl
Feb 18th 2015
61
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