>> If anything, it's been
>>a parade of Crazy Carrie Mathison's Greatest Hits:
>
>Which is annoying. I don't want crazy Carrie. I want Carrie
>the best field agent back. The Carrie who does things besides
>try to blow every single op, yet is still involved in every
>single op.

Word, so if you're not looking for Crazy Carrie, then I'm afraid you've tuned into the wrong show, since she's been this way since season 1.


>> pregnancy shit is annoying
>>and "lazy!" Do better, Homeland Writerz!
>
>A pregnancy storyline for a female character is lazy. Sorry.
>Just like a wife having an extramarital affair. We got both
>of them this season.

We also got two extramarital affairs in season 1, but let me guess, "that was different," because we hadn't seen them before, and so therefore, it wasn't lazy. Right? Great.

Married people fuck other people who aren't their spouses. Just like women sometimes fall in love with guys and get knocked up by said guys. I'm sorry that in your quest for ACTION ACTION ACTION these people interrupted by introducing real things that happen to adults in the real world.


> Just a personal opinion. I find that
>shit to be easy.

Okay.


>>They done practically repeated themselves ad
>>nauseam regarding Carrie and all of the Carrie Shit that she
>>does over the course of the season, yet somehow, they've
>"lost
>>track of her character." I'm gonna go with, no.
>
>And I'm gonna go with yes. They took a strong character and
>made her dependent on the male lead. Maybe you and the
>writers see that as growth. I don't.

Yeah, I'm thoroughly shitting on this. Again, the woman got shot while doing her job and ignoring orders, and not because she's so in love with Brody that she was willing to risk her life and the life of their kid. That's kinda dumb, yet that's the argument you're making.

But since we're here, I'll ask: what was the purpose of the ruse she agreed to with Saul? I hope your answer won't be "so she could reunite with Brody," because that's not correct. Yet, that's the argument you're making: everything Carrie has done this season has strictly been for the love and protection of Nick Brody. That's not correct.

And it's kinda weird that you're making this weird "Carrie is totally being a lovesick teenager for Brody" argument. I mean, we spent a good part of season 1 and all of season 2 examining them as a couple. Then we get to season 3, and we not only DON'T see them functioning as a couple, but the "male lead" that she's allegedly "dependent" on isn't even in half the fucking episodes of the season.

If you want to say, "I don't like how they've made Carrie a part of Brody's redemption story," then that's fine. Say THAT shit. You'd still be off, but at least it would be a bit clearer. But all this other hullabaloo about her "being dependent on the male lead" when it's been pretty clear that she's been more dependent on her boss/mentor is just weird and wrong.

Speaking of wrong, my bad for not picking up on this earlier, but it's actually telling when you said in your previous response that Howard Gordon did "done this" to you before with 24, and how "now he's doing it again." Which would be fine, except for the simple fact that Howard Gordon's not running the show, Alex Gansa is. So, there's that.


>Addressing the "crazy" thing. The bi polar thing was an
>awesome trait in season one. But establishing that, they've
>painted themselves in a corner. Because they can't ignore it
>and pretend it doesn't exist. Yet, it pigeon holes them in
>what they can do with the character. Sometimes, it works (the
>first third twist that it was them making a play was
>fantastic. It takes some suspending of disbelief, but I felt
>they stuck the landing, so I won't shit on it).

So now the consistent character trait that they've used (ad nauseam) with this character since season 1 is now "pigeon holing" them. Before it was that they lost sight of what made the character great. Was her being bi polar not a part of what made her great? She was still able to do her job, right? She was still able to follow Saul's orders, was she not? I mean, based on what you're complaining about, you'd think they'd made the girl 100% dick-matized by Brody or some shit, and that she had spent the majority of season 3 sitting on her pregnant ass, or forgetting protocol and quitting the FBI to go find her baby daddyt. That's how you're making it sound.

And what exactly did Carrie do in season 1 that is ZOMG so different and allegedly more awesome than what she's doing now? Aside from fuck random dudes she meets at the liquor store. And throw up a little more. And keep a drawer full of pregnancy tests (I know, zzzzzz, right?). Oh, and allegedly act like a "lovesick teenager" regarding the dude who impregnated her. Forgot about that.


>>And again, I'ma go back to what I've been saying, which you
>>continue to miss: "they" have plotted this shit out. This
>>shit has been talked about, wrestled with, and argued over
>>more than you'd like to imagine. I guarantee you, when
>>someone pitched shit about what would happen to Carrie this
>>season, there was AT LEAST one or two motherfuckers in that
>>room asking, "but is that what Carrie would do?"
>
>No shit? Oh, then my bad.

Word?


>>I'm "so defensive" about this because I'm fucking sick and
>>tired of complaints being lodged with the idea that "they"
>>don't know what they're doing and that the viewers somehow
>>know a lot more about the characters that "they" created and
>>talk and argue about on a daily basis.
>
>I'm not saying I know the character better. I am saying the
>character is not interesting to me anymore when dealing with
>anything Brody-related.

So say that "she's boring" shit then and leave it at that. Don't try to dress that up in some fancy "they've lost sight of what makes her a great character at a time when the feminine characters of television are in dire need of complexity" bullshit, which actually is another discussion.

I'm also not sure how a woman who is pregnant with a wanted man's baby and has yet to have told him this fact, while still doing her job to the best of her ability, is not complex. Even if you believe that it's "boring" and "lovesick teenager" that she's doing what she's doing in the name of saving Brody. Which is not entirely correct.


>So maybe my issue isn't Carrie as much as it is as that with
>the way they have built this relationship... as long as Brody
>is on this show, Carrie is a shitty character to me.

Well, the past two-and-three-quarter seasons of the show have been hell for you to watch, then. Because that's kinda what the show's been built on. Even still, she's not so into Brody that she doesn't do her job. I'm still not sure how this dynamic is oh-so-terrible and hinders the show, especially since they've only been in a few scenes together this season, and none of them were intimate.


>EDIT: for the record.... do me a favor and hit a control-F and
>search "lazy" for me and tell me who brought that up (this
>post not included as I used it in response to you mentioning
>it).
>
>DOUBLE EDIT: Now do "writers."

Oh, I get it.

HEY DOES EVERYBODY GET IT? I BE USIN THE WORD 'WRITERS' TOO MUCH Y'ALL!!!!! TOOOO MUCH!!!!!!

DE-FENSE! *clap clap* DE-FENSE! *clap clap*

Anyway.

What you're not getting is that this is less about me "defending writers" than it is making sure motherfuckers understand what it is they're criticizing then articulating that critique like they know what the fuck they're talking about, as opposed to falling back on cliched bullshit to express themselves.

Bet you was proud after you typed that bullshit, too. lol

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