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34. "This is less about being "forgiving" than it is being patient"
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Tue Oct-22-13 06:42 PM by ZooTown74

  

          

A patience, I guess I have to repeat, I don't really have for when it comes to Troubled CW Teen Runaway Dana's story.

The story's apparently a third of the way over. I'm going to see how it plays out. Your mileage may vary.

Now, this isn't specifically toward you, but again, it really, really, REALLY irritates the living shit out of me when cats say shit like "they just jammed some shit together," without regard to the hours and hours these cats spend working on these stories. And let me clarify one last time, because it's clear that it's not been understood: what they come up with doesn't have to work for you, and no one is saying it MUST work or you HAVE to like it - but I'm not going to continue to let y'all shit on the process itself, to trivialize it with this reductionist, "they're lazy/they don't know what they're doing and are trying to play it off" bullshit. I'm sorry, but I got way too many battle scars from this shit to let it be reduced to that.

Not liking what they come up with is one thing, but this ain't some fly-by-the-seat-of-their-pants operation, and I'ma keep repeating that until it's fully understood around here. There are too many dollars at stake, and there are so many fingerprints (from executives, producers, actors, crew) on these things that it's completely inaccurate to surmise that, if a story doesn't work to your liking, that it was because well they just didn't care and made some shit up and no one else cared about it either so they just shot some shit and threw it on the air and expected people to not question it but if they did question it they just threw the showrunner out there to make some shit up about it so that it looks like they spent some time on it. No. Not how this shit works. Not even close.

Y'all really think Claire Danes is gonna just ride with some shit that Alex Gansa and the writers "jammed in there" at the last minute? Mandy Patinkin? The same Mandy Patinkin who is KNOWN for walking off of shows that he's not digging? Y'all really think the executives at Showtime and Fox are just going to let Alex Gansa and nem make up some bullshit and throw it out there and take credit for being geniuses? All of these people have questions about the material, and guess whose job it is to provide those answers BEFORE they shoot it? And guess what? If the answers aren't satisfactory, if there are problems with the stories that the showrunner can't answer, then guess who has to go back and retool and/or start all over?

This is why I ride against, and will continue to ride against "they're lazy/they're just jamming shit in there and hoping no one notices" critiques. Not because I think I'm better than everyone here, or because I've been blinded by the lights of Hollywood, but because this process is far too complex and expensive to be trivialized and reduced to some "They're brilliant!"/"They're lazy!" shit, as if these folks just grabbed some cameras and decided to shoot some stuff that they'd make up as they went along.

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HOMELAND season 3 (SPOILERS) [View all] , CaptNish, Sat Sep-07-13 09:55 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
My thoughts
Sep 07th 2013
1
RE: My thoughts
Sep 08th 2013
2
You are the only person in the world I have ever seen say this
Sep 09th 2013
3
      i meant it the other way
Sep 10th 2013
6
           Oh thank god. lol
Sep 10th 2013
7
you almost have to have one of those characters
Sep 09th 2013
5
I just hope it's not the clusterfuck S2 was (spoilers)
Sep 09th 2013
4
solid start
Sep 30th 2013
8
Carrie bout to spend some time under that bus this season I see.
Sep 30th 2013
9
this little fucking girl's storyline is annoying and killing the show
Oct 06th 2013
10
co-fucking-sign!
Oct 07th 2013
11
She's BEEN the worst.
Oct 07th 2013
13
I liked last nights ep a lot, thought it flew by
Oct 07th 2013
12
You mean suicide...
Oct 07th 2013
14
Anything not named Quinn was fucking terrible.
Oct 07th 2013
15
speaking of Brody
Oct 14th 2013
16
      Old boys daughter was fine as hell!
Oct 14th 2013
17
luther mahoney was fucking fantastic
Oct 14th 2013
18
So 3 episodes in and I think this season sucks
Oct 15th 2013
19
Homeland is back. That was a superb ending.
Oct 21st 2013
20
I was like .....holy shit
Oct 21st 2013
21
hopefully the bf offs dana
Oct 21st 2013
22
      killing her and him in a suicide pact
Oct 21st 2013
23
           Please based god, make this happen.
Oct 21st 2013
25
           I'd rather Brody come back and give her a whoopin'
Oct 22nd 2013
30
I was worried fam.
Oct 21st 2013
24
I'm calling shenanigans
Oct 22nd 2013
26
      Vanderwerff in the AV Club review made a good point
Oct 22nd 2013
27
      Gansa said Saul & Carrie planned it shortly after the CIA explosion.
Oct 22nd 2013
28
           Okay now that's bullshit.
Oct 28th 2013
35
      pretty much
Oct 22nd 2013
31
Renewed for season 4
Oct 22nd 2013
29
Gansa is pretty much hoping everyone is as forgiving as you
Oct 22nd 2013
33
     
           I agree with you
Oct 28th 2013
38
                Not one person literally thinks like that.
Oct 28th 2013
39
                     Nevermind
Oct 29th 2013
40
                          Dude. I'm exaggerating. Calm down.
Oct 29th 2013
42
W/e w/ this episode but that pedofile doctor is a superb actor.
Oct 22nd 2013
32
He was ol boy from Homicide, right?
Nov 04th 2013
50
so the whole point of runaway sexting Dana was what?
Oct 28th 2013
36
the dana storyline was an exposition angle
Oct 28th 2013
37
I don't trust Saul, man.
Oct 29th 2013
41
I haven't trusted him since season 1 w/ the lie detector fake out
Oct 29th 2013
43
CoSign!!! And him not being there for the bombing reinforced it.
Oct 30th 2013
45
I don't trust ANY of these mofos.
Oct 30th 2013
44
fuck this show
Nov 04th 2013
46
i guess Showtime is now the network of shows that
Nov 04th 2013
47
You wilding.
Nov 04th 2013
49
Yep. Can't be Brody's.
Nov 04th 2013
51
      the way this show is written, it most likely is
Nov 05th 2013
52
           I liked the episode, but yeah... this?
Nov 06th 2013
55
                the whole time i was asking myself "how old is she"?
Nov 06th 2013
56
We'll see you next week nm
Nov 06th 2013
54
first great episode since last season's finale...
Nov 04th 2013
48
Agree.
Nov 05th 2013
53
just caught up on this week's... real good episode
Nov 12th 2013
57
We on our way back...
Nov 12th 2013
58
really glad i decided to keep watching
Nov 17th 2013
59
I cannot BELIEVE how dumb Saul's wife is.
Nov 18th 2013
60
Saul's kinda got his hands full right now.
Nov 18th 2013
61
how do these dudes not have security measures at home?
Nov 19th 2013
64
      The man is hardly ever home.
Nov 19th 2013
67
           that's still his home
Nov 20th 2013
71
Because I know some of y'all lurking and still mad, here's more Gansa
Nov 18th 2013
62
Not mad, just bored.
Nov 19th 2013
63
enjoying it and looking forward to final 4
Nov 19th 2013
66
The only issue I have w/the pregnancy is the timeline.
Nov 20th 2013
70
Lol @ the negative episode 8 comments...the last 10-15 minutes was great...
Nov 19th 2013
65
RE: Lol @ the negative episode 8 comments...the last 10-15 minutes was g...
Nov 19th 2013
68
      I thought she was going to spit it out to Quinn in the ambulance
Nov 20th 2013
69
Uh. Nothing about last night?
Nov 25th 2013
72
i got nothing.
Nov 25th 2013
73
can't wait to see how brody + javadis "play" works out *spoilers*
Nov 25th 2013
74
I'm waiting until '16 Days Later' to comment
Nov 25th 2013
75
All this episode was missing was some Rocky music
Nov 26th 2013
76
      hahaha I fully turned to my gf and starting humming
Nov 26th 2013
79
      lol, I mean, the dude just keeps on ticking.
Nov 26th 2013
80
Can anybody clarify 1 thing for me?
Nov 26th 2013
77
The bombing was Javadi acting rogue.
Nov 26th 2013
78
      boom
Nov 26th 2013
81
      gotcha, thnx, 1 other beef is them trusting dana won't talk
Nov 26th 2013
82
      That's why Saul was so pissed at Carrie
Dec 02nd 2013
83
      so what was Javadi's reasoning for the bombing?
Dec 02nd 2013
86
Between this episode and seeing Gravity, my nerves are done.
Dec 02nd 2013
84
On this:
Dec 02nd 2013
85
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
Dec 09th 2013
87
They definitely found a way to bring back that intensity
Dec 09th 2013
88
Yo, I loved that!
Dec 09th 2013
89
that shit was so real and raw, him breathing heavy after she hung
Dec 11th 2013
112
Brody went hard body on the general.
Dec 09th 2013
90
I'm wondering if that was plan from the get go
Dec 09th 2013
92
ok. i admit it. i really wasnt feeling the beginning of this season
Dec 09th 2013
91
I've actually liked this season more than the last one
Dec 10th 2013
93
You guys are very forgiving.
Dec 10th 2013
94
Nevermind
Dec 10th 2013
95
      Sorry. I forgot.
Dec 10th 2013
97
           *smh*
Dec 10th 2013
101
                I tell you my main problem with the show without snark
Dec 10th 2013
104
                     So you're mad that a very real consequence of a relationship
Dec 10th 2013
106
                          I never said I could write a better show. I said I want to watch one
Dec 10th 2013
107
                               So now 'writer' is a bad word. Word.
Dec 10th 2013
108
                                    Nah, you missed the point. *shock*
Dec 10th 2013
109
                                         Ok.
Dec 11th 2013
110
the icing on the cake to these past two awesome episodes would be
Dec 10th 2013
96
Is Brody the most non-threatening reassuring man in TV history?
Dec 10th 2013
98
color me disappointed they didn't kill him
Dec 10th 2013
99
But he was vetted by Abu Nazir's widow.
Dec 10th 2013
102
      I had a whole fire-and-brimstone response typed up, but this covers it
Dec 10th 2013
103
      not demeaning her importance
Dec 10th 2013
105
           its not just from a 10 minute chat, she new the man for years
Dec 11th 2013
111
                the timeline is him getting to iran
Dec 11th 2013
114
                     i see ur point re: it just being a week, but its tv shit had to be
Dec 11th 2013
115
it's been spotty season but this episode DELIVERED!
Dec 10th 2013
100
i wasnt one of the ones that hated this whole season but this
Dec 11th 2013
113
i guess this was the only way 4 it to end
Dec 16th 2013
116
Torn on this finale...
Dec 16th 2013
117
My thoughts exactly.
Dec 16th 2013
118
should killed Brody at end of Season 2
Dec 16th 2013
119
I don't know how they could do that.
Dec 16th 2013
120
      yeah im with you on this...
Dec 17th 2013
122
Brody dying as the suicide bomber @ the CIA at end of
Dec 16th 2013
121
i like how they wrapped things up...now i can be done with it
Dec 17th 2013
123
i thought saul was gonna get blown the fuck up... 2 different times...
Dec 17th 2013
124
like literally blown up or his spot blown up?
Dec 17th 2013
125
RE: i thought saul was gonna get blown the fuck up... 2 different times...
Dec 17th 2013
127
http://i.imgur.com/mcvbydA.jpg
Dec 18th 2013
130
is there any possibility that Brody's death was faked???
Dec 17th 2013
126
I'd never watch it again if that happened.
Dec 17th 2013
128
Probably just due to how the actor was propped up
Dec 17th 2013
129
they better don't
Dec 18th 2013
131
Homeland producer speaks on Brody's fate...*link*
Dec 19th 2013
132
      All I read was Dana wasn't returning. ...
Dec 19th 2013
133

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