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64. "Mad Men, S4E7, The Suitcase - A"
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I've been waiting for this episode all season. Matt Weiner has built the Don vs. Peggy plot line so well throughout the early part of the season and Sunday's episode, "The Suitcase", delivered a gratifying confrontation between those two. Looking over several of the posts in here its obvious to see how clearly he hit the mark.




Contrasted with the now legendary "Clay vs. Liston" fight of May 25th, 1965, Elisabeth Moss and Jon Hamm, the two heavyweight players of Mad Men, got to share the majority of the screen time this week pulling no punches and trading dialogue full of antagonism, revelation, pertinent symbolism, and sentimentality. There were even some heavy handed puns woven in. Credit due to Matt Weiner for crafting such a superb episode this week, full of confrontation, featuring Peggy and Don saying the things they've been wanting to say (and that we've been wanting to hear them say) for so long. He truly has the voice of those two characters down solid.







The play-by-play:


May 25th, 1965. We know this because Harry Crane is passing out tickets with that date being the most clearly imprinted text on them. Harry handles his exposition duties for the week by revealing these are tickets for the Clay-Liston fight. The Cosgroves and the Campbells get freebies while Harry charges the lessers of the room $10 a pop. Don assures Harry "absolutely" that he'll be joining the boys for steaks at the Palms tonight. He then barks for the "Samsonite team" to join him in his office.




Don "absolutely" flakes on Harry & Co. by requesting Ms. Blankenship make him and Roger a dinner reservation for "anywhere BUT the Palms". Nice call back to the pilot right there. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Team Samsonite: Peggy, Joey, Stan, & Danny arrive to run through the idea they've come up with. Before they do, however, Peggy gets off a straight left jab at Don about him being over two hours late for this meeting. We get to see how the creativity is dispersed in this crew as Stan sets the scene, Peggy and Joey recite the lines they've come up with, and Danny is short. The idea is to have Joe Namath be the pitchman uttering some cornball dialogue about how strong Samsonite luggage is and how it helps him win the game and get the girl. It truly sounds like every old football player commercial I've ever seen and I swear this was an actual ad wasn't it? Don obviously hates the idea, hates Joe Namath, and ultimately hates Peggy standing up to his dismissal of the pitch. He dismisses Team Samsonite, save Peggy, from his office to explain this.




AND THEY'RE OFF!! After the initial feeling out of these two in tonight's headliner bout, Draper scores the first big blows of Round 1 with a line we were treated to in last week's promo: "Peggy, I'm glad this is an environment where you feel free to fail." OUCH!! Just because I heard it last week, and knew it exactly who it was directed at, doesn't lessen the sting of it. Peggy reveals, rather bitterly, that Don wanted to go with Danny's idea ("Only Samsonite is strong"). This initial bit of battling portends what's to come and does a nice little job of recapping all that's been happening with them this season. Peggy just doesn't feel that Don pays her the credit she is due. She has voiced to him previously that "they" (she) are all there because of him, to please him, and are sorely in wanting of his praise. On top of her feelings of being under appreciated by Don she now has to accept that he likes the new guy's stuff better. The guy Don mocked not only after but during his interview with them. This has got to be a bitter pill for her to swallow.




The bell dings and Round 1 comes to a close with Draper finishing strong. Peggy retreats to her corner to find a vase of flowers and a card from her former paramour Herman "Duck" Phillips. While thanking him for the apparent birthday gift he insists she open that accompanying "present". We're treated to a close-up of a business card reading "Phillips-Olsen Advertising, Peggy Olsen, Creative Director". Its not really a birthday gift though is it? And its DEFINITELY not a Hermes. What it definitely is is a proposition from Duck for her to leave SCDP and follow behind him, waddling into the big-boy pond. He goes into the full sell and lists some of the accounts he's got lined up. Matthew "Big Pun" Weiner lets loose with a few non-ironic memorables from Duck regarding the "under the table" discussions with Tampax. Who's that? Tampax. You know...50% market share Tampax: "they're really up there!". Peggy, being the mathematician that she is puts two and two together and realizes within a few seconds that not only has Duck lost his job with Grey but based on the tenor of the phone call, as well as what she heard about his dripping wet Kanye West impersonation at the Clios, that he's got a whole lotta liquid courage going on. Remember now, as we just learned from Don's pummeling of her in the scene just before, that it is currently 11:15 in the a.m. Roasted Duck is running the alcoholic playbook step by step right now and he goes from positively boisterous (choo-choo!), to melancholy (admitting to being inspired by "Draper" but not having the means to emulate him), to angry (snotting at her about the dummy cards he had made up(1)), to self centered woe-is-me-ism (with that Mark? He's another one...), to sentimental longing and "all I need is you" (telling her she's the last time he was happy) within the matter of, like, two sentences. I think he's barking up the wrong tree here though. Regardless of their relationship and of whatever she may see in him I really can't imagine Peggy as the "co-dependant" type willing to be his crutch as he fumbles drunkenly along Madison Avenue. I think she's honest in her appraisal of him as a "valuable account man" and likes that he hates Don so much but after this episode I think that's one dead Duck. Quite interesting to note is that for all the shitting Duck does on "creative" (and on Don), he quite obviously recognizes true talent and the importance of it. Peggy ends the call with Duck as Huey, Luey, & Lil Dewey drop into her office to announce they're off to lunch.




Ruh-Roh...Ms. Blankenship informs Don, and anyone with decent hearing in the office, that a "Stephanie" has placed an urgent call to Don while he was "in the toilet". Considering what we learn about her later, I wonder if Ms. Blankenship is into water sports. Dons apprehensiveness in facing this battle is apparent as he retreats to the solitude of his office to steel himself for the news he is about to hear. He makes it just about as far as his mini-bar, however, to pour out a little support. I don't think he was going to go back to the phone after the drink, do you? In any case he's rescued from having to follow through as Roger barges into his office like a wacky sitcom neighbor uttering "We're ruined!". The wacky sitcominess ensues as there's a bit of Three's Companiness about the meaning of Roger's lament and blahblahblah reformed alcoholics suck. As I mentioned above the dialogue in this episode is superb and Roger says something here that I think is indicative of that. He whines a bit about how AA guys like Freddie Rumsen and Cal Rutledge from Pond's "...start with the funny stories, and then they end up crying." This exactly the course of events for Don later on. There are clearer examples of symbolism and double meaning to come.




Team Samsonite sits contemplating how much they're failing at this thing and after Joey endears himself to me for vocalizing how much he wants to stab Danny's neck fat, Peggy, cutely decked out in a pink birthday crown, realizes that they're going nowhere fast and calls an end to the proceedings. Joan bitches at them for being messy in the common area and we see a furtherance of Joey vs. Joan. Joey refuses to clean up and exits. Danny & Stanny aren't such complete shitheads however and do the right fucking thing by actually cleaning up after themselves. Their little te-tete was hinted at in previous episodes (2) and if the promos are to be believed (HA!) they continue next week.




The secretary with the dirty faced French mother (is it Meagan?) and Peggy are both powdering their noses. Literally. We learn that Peggy's boyfriend Mark has some romantic dinner plans for them for her birthday. During Clay/Liston??? Sap ass sucka. As Meagan leaves, a visibly pregnant Trudy comes from around the corner after metaphorically powdering her nose. Elisabeth Moss continues to be my favorite on this show and be an expert at doing so much with so little as we see a flicker of uneasiness pass over her once she realizes Trudy has engaged her in polite convo. This girl is solid gold. There's a bit of dialogue about pregnancy and playful banter about Trudy's horrible horrible life with Pete, but the main purpose here is to show that "the fight" is on everyone's radar screen. Even upper crust blue bloods appreciate the spectacle of skilled combat and human confrontation. (3)




Yelled at by mean drunken bully boss? Check. Awkward conversation with wife of man who knocked you up forcing you to surreptitiously deliver and surrender a baby? Big Check. Having to work with Joey, Stan, & Danny? Check. Next question: Can a birthday get any worse?




Yes. Yes it most certainly can. I say so because as she exits the restroom, ready to leave work for her birthday celebration, she's summoned by Don. Peggy goes to see him as the rest of the crew watch her small solitary figure walk valiantly to her doom. They in turn laugh at her misfortune and beat feet out of the building. Peggy, with her coat and hat on, purse in hand, **coughcoughhinthint**enters Don's office to see what he wants. Ms. Blankenship is old and stupid and reminds us that California is waiting to hear from Don. He dodges Blankenship but he picks right back up with Peggy, insisting on seeing what came out of her cute little birthday crowned head. The trade a few shots with each other, Peggy giving even better than she gets, leaving Don so stunned all he can do is utter a fatherly "Excuse me?" at her willingness to battle him on this.




Now here is where the episode got great...




Peggy comes back into Don's office knowing he's going to hate each and everything she puts in front of him. She knows. He knows it. She knows he knows it!! She knows she's going to have to scuttle plans with her boyfriend, or at least be severely late for them, and work with Don on this. And its her birthday!! What she doesn't know, however, is that said boyfriend Mark has assembled the entire cast of "Peggy Olsen: This Is Your Life" (4) at their romantic rendezvous. We know this because we see them all lined up expectantly at the table with him as he receives news that she's running late. And while the boy is boy is painfully clueless and should be flogged unmerciful for such a poor decision, he definitely doesn't deserve to have to spend an entire dinner with those people. I think that violates several Geneva statutes. So, Peggy returns with the shitty Samsonite treatments and, much to the surprise of all involved, Don shits all over them.




After the commercial break we come back to these two and we see some time has elapsed. Peggy's still pitching but Don wants to talk "fight". This is interesting here because its becoming apparent that while Don may have really disliked the ideas presented, he doesn't really care about getting it solved really. He just doesn't want to have to leave the sanctity, the security, of his office. Don does a very weak, almost girly, pantomime of boxing and I can see quite clearly why he was forced to cry "Uncle Scrooge McDuck" later in the episode. The talk of the fighters involved makes Don go "light bulb" and come up with a boxing-related tag line for Samsonite. Peggy, very humorously, lies her ass off in response, professing the idea to be genius and almost physically salivating. Heh. She wants to leave. The phone rings...almost signifying the end of another round. Don looks terrified as his head swivels immediately towards the sound. He half heartily tells Peggy to "let it ring". I think he'd welcome someone else actually receiving the news, or being forced to receive it because she answered the phone. He'd probably have blamed it all on her because she answered it.




Alas, it is Roger. He's begging Don to come save him as he's stuck with two teetotalers. Two teetotalers talking tales through teardrops. The prospect of alliteration aside, Don denies the request to come and "save" Roger. Peggy gets her own phone call in which Mark reveals that he has her family there with him and they're all waiting. I really like the juxtaposition here between these two. they're both getting phone calls pressing them to flee the work. Pressing them to actually go on to plans they had previously made. Yet neither one of them really wants to go. Don I think because he knows he has to stick around and make this phone call. Plus as he said "he wouldn't be very good company". Peggy is different. I didn't realize that she was ready to sacrifice her own happiness, to sacrifice Mark's happiness, for the job until AFTER she comes back and trades a few more blows with Don. He actually gives her an escape. He allows her leave. She makes it to the elevator before we get a fantastic smash cut to a maitre de angrily slamming a phone down in front of Mark. Hee! It struck me here how much Peggy is becoming like Don. I could easily see this being Don and Betty in their earliest days. Back when Don was actually conflicted about staying late and working on shit ideas, yet still choosing the work over the happiness at home. There is no real reason, outside of wanting to please Don or wanting to "do the work" that bad, that Peggy chose to turn back at that elevator. I mean Christ on a cracker...she had already even hit "down".




As good as all the Don vs. Peggy stuff is this episode, I think the best scene of the episode is the Peggy vs. Mark breakup scene. The mom killed me. She spits vitriol in bunches. Knowing what we do later on, what the mother thinks about Don and Peggy, its doubly pertinent that the family winces when Mark snits that Peggy should date Don because she "never stands him up". Oh Mark...why do I think you're going to have a lifetime of being the only one at the table who isn't aware of something very important? Au revoir, Mark...




Peggy strides into Don's office, coming out of the corner hot to trot. She is super charged and they immediately fall into it here. Don says something here that is a repeat of something he said in an earlier exchange, "So this is my fault now?". I wonder if this is part of why he can't pick up that phone and get the news he knows is waiting for him. He's so self-centered, such delusions of grandeur, that he thinks he's to blame. He didn't do enough to save Anna. he could have, but dammit he didn't. And now when he picks up the phone he'll have to face the fact that she's dead and he could have beat her Cancer somehow.


OLSEN IS PUMMELING DRAPER...SHE'S BACKED HIM INTO A CORNER AND HE'S STUNNED STUPID!! She is like a pitbull in this scene, refusing to give Don any breathing space. She's relentless in recounting his recent fuck ups: the fact that they're even there right now, the Danny situation, being drunk, him taking credit for everything, and the she swings for the fences by bringing up Glo-Coat. And now we're getting to what she's fighting for. Don, the wily champ, blocks that last shot efficiently. He knows exactly what she's getting at with that wild swing and a miss and he's going to take it right back to her. This such a true argument here and it felt so good to hear these two give voice to what's been behind their bickering. They're both in the right here and they're both in the wrong. Peggy shouldn't be demanding to be part of the Clio thing but she's absolutely correct in wanting to be given some recognition by Don. Don is correct in corralling wild ambition by not doling out praise to each and every thing but he's got to divvy a bit out and he's got to acknowledge that his fuck ups shouldn't inherently be everyone else's problems. He's ready to share mistakes, like Danny, but not triumphs. Its almost as if the entirety of last week's episode, "Waldorf Stories", was a set up for this bit of dialogue. FANTASTIC WRITING. Although the stood toe to toe for that bit, Don countered strong to finish leaving Peggy to start crying. The man/woman fight kryptonite works perfectly. I'm giving this middle round to Peggy, she definitely got the better of the biggest exchanges, even though Don had her wobbling back to her corner.




Love the janitor fleeing the bathroom as Peggy comes in to bawl her eyes out. Little touches like that reminder of how late they're in the office. Crying alone in a public bathroom at work after hours...worst. birthday. EVER!!




**GULGH**(5)




Back from the odious commercials and we see Don going about the office, preparing his necessary tools for a night of work: a glass of scotch and a tape recorder. He's surprised by a mouse scurrying across his floor. Notice that the skyline outside is now much darker than before the commercial break. Nice little touch to use the break to make it feel like an extended passage of time. He hears a noise in the distance and realizes its Peggy(6). There's a look on Don's face like "Aw shit, I gotta deal with that problem too". Cut to said problem. Pegs in her office, curled up in a girly way on her couch, working away. She's resigned herself to the fact that she's stuck there...might as well be comfy. There's a knocking on a wall and Don's voice comes from off screen beckoning her to come to his office. Like a teenage girl pouting in her room she snots "No!". Man I love me some Peggy, I really truly do. I also love this show because every time I think its going to zig, it zags. I was fully expecting, partially because of the look on Don's face just before, that he was going to apologize to her; that there was going to be a moment shared between them where he cops to being an ass. But no. Not on Mad Men.




On Mad Men Peggy comes into the doorway, annoyed, only to find Don cracking up and insisting she has to hear what's on the recorder. Don has found the autobiographical recordings Roger has been making for his secretary to transcribe. Not only has he found them, he has listened to them and found them hilarious. He insists Peggy come in and listen and laugh along with him. What was seemingly a one-line throwaway in the pilot and played for levity in a few scenes ( for poignancy in one) since has all of a sudden become the thing which brings them together to laugh. Clever writing device or contrivance? As Matt Weiner (via Don) points out later the difference between something that's good and something that's awful is very close. I know good when I see it and I'm leaning towards "clever" on this one. I'm also leaning towards hilarious because Sterling's Gold is 24 carat awesomeness: Ms. Blankenship (Ida) is the "Queen of Perversion", Dr. Lyle neutered Bert Cooper, Bert had him killed, Roger saying "sometime in the Summer of 1948, no 1932...n-no 1939...". I also like that all of the revelations that we hear, the one that actually makes Peggy laugh is the notion that Roger Sterling is writing a book. I wonder if that book will have asides that read: (at this point Mr. Sterling audibly downs a glass of Scotch) "Ahhh...". After Don stops the hilarity he cajoles Peggy, who didn't need much cajoling, to not only saty "and visit" but to share what's on her mind. Peggy astutely points out that they don't have personal conversations, that they never "visit", and she thinks that Don likes it that way. She points out that she herself does. Don doesn't buy it. Peggy doesn't sell it very hard. She begins "visiting" with her attitude towards her just completed break up, ending a relationship she more than likely knew was ended all along. Peggy sees the mouse and eeks appropriately. The rest of this scene is signifcant for three reasons, and they're all Don-central: He begins opening up about his past to Peggy, he utters some of the symbolic dialogue I mentioned above, and he is utterly mortified of that phone ringing. Peggy notices all three. She definitely notices, although the implication may not have registered with her, Don giving up the search for the absconded mouse and his utterance of the line "...there's a way out of this room we don't know about". He's talking about more than the mouse having an entrane and exit strategy here. He's talking about a few things i think. In one aspect he's talkign about the the Samsonite pitch. Both of them would say the reason they're still there at that hour is becuase they haven't found the right idea for the ad. He's saying that there is an idea...one that will allow them to escape this room just as that mouse has done...it just hasn't come to him yet. In another aspect he's talking about Anna. He's trying like Hell to avoid actually facing what he knows is true, that she's dead and he couldn't do a damn thing for her. In this aspect he's trying to reason to himself that there's still a way for him to not have to accept it. He's trying to reason that there's a way for him to get out of it, to get away from it. This idea closely tied in to the revelation we get in the next scene. Don offers to take her out for his version of a birthday dinner.




Peggy's birthday dinner takes place at Slimy Slouvaki's Grecian Spoon. (8) This is such an important scene as we're treated to these two actually opening up to each other. The revelations come fast and furious as they hop from spitballing ideas for the Samsonite ad, to remembrances and recollections of their past, to intimately personal observations. The suitcase is unpacked, they're actually "visiting". Visiting HOARD. For Peggy Olsen a suitcase is something to be filled up, an exciting prospect of what may come. She declares as much when she tells Don she knows "what supposed to want but it never feels right. Or not as important as anything in that office". This is a woman who's more dedicated to what she can be and what she can create, rather than to what she is and what has been designed for her. She's ready to pack her suitcase and go somewhere with her life. We've seen Don be honest about his past with a select few people through four seasons and each time its only been because he was forced to. Adam tracked him down and forced him. Pete intercepted his mail and forced him. Anna tracked him down and forced him. Betty broke into his drawer and forced him. In those instances he was honest about who he was originally and what he came from. The rest of the time that he's even given minute details of his distant and recent life has been to sell. He did it while pitching the Wheel or talking to the dog food lady. Hell, the season opened with an entire episode dedicated to his unwillingness to acknowledge curiosity about himself, about "Who is Don Draper?". This is the first time we've seen him willfully acknowledge the details of his life and be happy to do it. With Peggy. She reciprocates in turn and we see that these two have much in common. They both not only lost their fathers young, they watched as it happened. This may have only just about EVERYTHING to do with their relationship. Peggy will always be looking for that praise from Don. a man she even compared to her father and their attitudes toward the appeal of black men earlier in the episode. While Betty was probably over-praised by her father and it has affected her and Don's relationship in certain ways Peggy, the other important woman in Don's life whether he acknowledges it or not, was deprived of receiving fatherly validation and compensates by placing her self-worth and value in Don's praise and recognition. While I think that's the most important revelation between these two I don't think that's the most important revelation to be found in that scene. That distinction belongs to Don's revealing what his Uncle Max told him. Hearing a man he admired, a man he has acknowledged was "good to him", in contrast to his real father who he has routinely derided, tell him that a man should live his life with a suitcase ready to go at all times was the spur that turned Dick Whitman into the man he would become: Don Draper. With that one sentence we now know why Don has been so ready to abandon his life, his career, his wife, his children, his everything...whenever things got to hot for him. He's bailed on birthdays, fled business trips, and incrementally abandoned his marriage until it collapsed. For Don Draper a suitcase is escape. Don ends the scene for us with another bit of double-meaning dialogue: "Let's go somewhere darker". I knew right then the conversation was going to open up and they were going to say things aloud they probably don't even want to say in their head.




At the bar they're now in, I don't know what the fuck is being said as a 1965 radio is squelching out the fight via an announcer who has apparently put a handful of marbles in his mouth. Let me just say before I get into what these two said that I was wrong at each step in regards to how this conversation was going to go. The emotions, opinions, and responses were not what I imagined they would be. Just like a couple weeks ago during "The Chrysanthemum and The Sword" I thought Pete was going to flame out and shoot himself in the foot with his father-in-law, I was completely surprised by the transpiring of dialogue. What follows is an example of what I mean: Peggy does a little compliment fishing before she gives voice to a story line we've been following since season one.(9) Peggy informs Don that "everyone" thinks she fucked her way through the glass ceiling. While the sheer mechanics and injuries that would result from such a coupling shuold be enough to convince everyone that it didn't happen, what seems to bother her the most is the thought that those two having sex is such an absurd idea. Her pride is more hurt at the belief that Don is out of her league. I didn't expect that. Don tries to rationalize WHY he's never made a move on her by way of a ridiculously transparent explanation of office protocol. A rules and regs guide on the do's and dont's of doing the mommy-daddy dance from Draper? (10) Right here I was thinking "Bad. Idea. Jeans.". I was fully convinced that this would blwo up in his face and Peggy would be offended at his explanation. But no, she actually seems somewhat mollified at the silly rambling because he managed to work in there that she's attractive. (11) Peggy brings up Allison without actually bringing up Allison and Don brings up Peggy's baby without actually bringing up Peggy's baby. Peggy divulges that her mother is convinced he's actually the Don Dada. This prompts him to ask if she even knows who it is. Again...I was ready for her to drop the big one on Don right here but I guess she hadn't had quite that much to drink. I'm glad Peggy didn't betray Pete's trust here, no matter how personal and open they were getting. Its notin character. The unintelligible sounds from the radio pick up and I'm just as lost as Peggy as she inquires whats happening to make all the men around her beg and plead and demand "get up!". Clay has defeated Liston and we get a glimpse that as soon as that fight was over, from men who didn't even see the fight that the "fix was in". (12)




Back in the confines of SCDP, Don does his Roger Sterling impersonation and makes a mad dash for the bathroom where he does a little technicolor yawning with Peggy as his audience. Peggy looks around the men's restroom as if its the first time she's ever been in one, and it might very well be, and while looking at the urinals, the wall graffiti, all to the soundtrack of Don's retching, she looks as if that restroom is a testament to every horrible thing there is about the male of the species. As she's having thi sepiphanie she hears her name being called from out in the office proper. (13) She is suprised to find see Duck. Probably not so surprised to find him drunkenly staggering. However she is most definitely surprised to find Duck, trou dropped, trying to take a shit in what he thinks is Don's office. Having informed him of his error and convinced him to come along she tries to escort him out of the office only to be found by Don. Don's ready to rumble and after being informed that he was once Peggy's drake, he swings once Duck calls Peggy a whore. Feathers fly as the two tussle and tumble. Dcuk gains the upper hand, literally, as he pins Don to the floor and we see Draper staring down the barrel of a locked and loaded Okinawan Palm of Death. Don gives and he doesn't seem to have much fight in him right now nor does he seem to care very much although he does look a little hurt as he realizes that Peggy will be leaving with this man. Peggy leaves with that man. Peeegggyyyy...you got sum 'splainin to-dooooo!!




Peggy returns sans man. She inquires as to Don's status. He reciprocates and starts trying to explain the situation to Don but he looks like that would only make him throw up on his shirt some more. I LIKED Peggy calling Don on his drinking right here. He knew it was time even before she said it. I really think this is going to be Don's metaphorical "wake up call". Don's literal "wake up call" is an image of Anna, suitcase in hand and walking perfectly, ghosts right into his office and looks around a bit like "Sooo...this is it huh? I like what you've done with the place. Could use a tree painted on the wall butits nice". She is transparent and it looks a bit cheesy and I wonder if that was a deliberate Matthew Weiner decision. Maybe trying to tie it in to how it would have looked in the 1960s? Dunno.








(1) - Do you think when he got those cards made up he told the printing company to put it on his bill? HA!
(2) - As well as the reveal of who was behind Joan having to pull pencils out of the ceiling. (It was Stan)
(3) - I love the bit done here by Weiner reflecting the differing attitudes women have regarding Peggy, and her place in this world, on her 26th birthday. After learning that she has romantic dinner plans at a swanky restaurant and taking into consideration her position at the company Meagan, a career girl, remarks that Peggy's "doing alright". Typed out it doesn't seem like much of a compliment but it was said as a compliment with admiration. Trudy, however, has a differing view altogether. Upon hearing that Peggy is 26, and without a husband, she feels sorry for her and tries to buck up the little camper's spirits with a condesceinding remark about there being plenty of time for her to find a man to complete her sad, useless existence.
(4) - Even "the roommate" HA!
(5) - Okay...I am officially FUCKING SICK of these Mad Men style adverts during the commercial break. This one is really only the second that I've watched (the first being a Suave on that I stopped FFing my DVR for because I though it was a scene at a rival firm) but this is just such horseshit. The pitchman is pleding mom, americana, apple pie...while he, and the americana mom apple pie viewing audience at home, get ogle a back lit sultry woman with hair flowing as she writhes her body seductively, just about to make mouth love to a sandwich. It cuts away just as we (the sammich) enter her mouth. There's even the obligatory thumb suck at the end. As if we didn't get the idea already that she has just fellated us all. The product?? MAYONNAISE!! I mean really. I bet there's footage they didn't use, but definitely shot, of her wiping a bit off the corner of her mouth with the back of her hand.
(6) - Quite different from every time I'M working late at the office and I hear a noise in the building. When that happens I realize its obviously a crazed axe murderer, who just happens to have a key fob for our building, and he's going to kill me if I go out there and look.
(7) - This reminds me so much of the first season episode "Nixon vs. Kennedy" (another confrontation!) when Cosgrove emerges from Kinsey's office with Kinsey's play "Death Is My Client" (and Allison, btw). After some clumsy attempts to get it back while Cosgrove reads aloud, Kinsey seethes. There's a cut-away and when they come back, instead of a fight between the two or Kinsey still seething and suffering, the Sterling Cooper Players are assembled and ready to perform for the crowd. That was a clear zag when a zig was expected. MWAH!!
(8) I wonder if even back then all restaurants were owned by Greek people. I wonder if even back then all restaurants owned by Greek people burned donw suspiciously.
(9) - I love when good shows do this. I loved it when The Sopranos would do it, when The Wire woul do it, and when Futurama does it. It makes being a fan of the show so much better
(10) - Sheeeeyyiiiiit (c) Clay Davis
(11) - What do the women think about this?
(12) - And really can we blame anyone for going nuts in 1960s America? Just a brief survey of some of the episodes of Mad Men shows why. In a very brief period of time Marylin Monroe dies under mysterious circumstances, the president was murdered, his alleged assassin was murdered in front of everyone, civil rights movement is going crazy and civil rights workers in the South were murdered, Malcolm X was murdered, and the country is in an ever escalating war. I don't doubt it all that people become more and more suspicious of anything that looked even remotely dubious.
(13) - Again...I would have instantly known my name was being called my a completely different axe murderer, this one who not only has a key fob but knows my name. They do exist.

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
The Suitcase: The episode that finally gets Jon Hamm his Emmy?
Sep 06th 2010
1
with Cranston out of contention next year...
Sep 06th 2010
5
      is that an Emmy rule?
Sep 06th 2010
22
           It will air too late.
Sep 06th 2010
23
                hm. sucks that we have to wait that long.
Sep 06th 2010
24
full of goodies
Sep 06th 2010
2
and not all of them
Sep 07th 2010
31
best episode of the season so far.
Sep 06th 2010
3
now that's an episode!
Sep 06th 2010
4
LOL @ Lyle Evans, MD
Sep 06th 2010
6
So Harry isn't Jewish
Sep 06th 2010
7
Does anyone think Don may stop drinking as much?
Sep 06th 2010
8
I got that impression
Sep 06th 2010
10
agreed. I think Don will be flying straight after this.
Sep 06th 2010
11
Yes but I've thought that every episode this season
Sep 07th 2010
33
I loved how he was grossed out by non-alcoholic drinks.
Sep 07th 2010
53
if him and peggy fuck, it all goes to shit...everything
Sep 06th 2010
9
agreed!
Sep 06th 2010
13
yeah, that better never happen.
Sep 06th 2010
14
Does anyone remember what episode showed Don's clean stack of shirts
Sep 06th 2010
12
didn't Jane him shirts
Sep 06th 2010
25
if i remember correctly, it was the very first episode.
Sep 08th 2010
62
I finally felt Peggy was her own person
Sep 06th 2010
15
When Don dropped that 'You should be thanking me along w/ Jesus' line
Sep 07th 2010
36
I still can't stop thinking about last night's epi.
Sep 06th 2010
16
re: new things, little things.
Sep 06th 2010
18
"He's self so righteous!!!"
Sep 06th 2010
17
yeah, i didn't take it that way either
Sep 07th 2010
26
A+++ episode, give Hamm the Emmy nm
Sep 06th 2010
19
Duck killed 16 men in Okinawa!
Sep 07th 2010
30
That cocked palm killed me.
Sep 07th 2010
35
17!
Sep 07th 2010
51
Notice he didn't specify which side they were on
Sep 07th 2010
54
Man, his range was crazy this ep
Sep 07th 2010
38
That was a stellar episode for me.
Sep 06th 2010
20
yeah, the less betty, the better
Sep 07th 2010
27
      "Believe me, Henry, everyone thinks this is temporary."
Sep 07th 2010
60
3 great episodes in a row.
Sep 06th 2010
21
^^^
Sep 07th 2010
28
"If I wanted to see two Negroes fight,
Sep 07th 2010
29
Don ducking that call
Sep 07th 2010
32
I love how Weiner went deeper into the Don and Peggy relationship
Sep 07th 2010
34
That Duck situation was hilarisad
Sep 07th 2010
45
      RE: That Duck situation was hilarisad
Sep 07th 2010
47
      and it being thrown off a building
Sep 07th 2010
49
      she didn't seem very enthusiastic about it
Sep 07th 2010
48
      RE: That Duck situation was hilarisad
Sep 10th 2010
69
      hell YEAH Don's Samsonite idea was wackjuice.
Sep 11th 2010
70
Matt Weiner Rolling Stone interview (link)
Sep 07th 2010
37
i bought that issue of RS as soon as it came out
Sep 07th 2010
39
Thanks for the link.
Sep 07th 2010
40
lol
Sep 07th 2010
42
      I'm not sure whether to let you think I'm serious...
Sep 07th 2010
55
interesting. so draper's acting out weiner's gripes:
Sep 08th 2010
61
      In part, sure
Sep 08th 2010
63
           Yeah, I pretty much assume these are the writers' opinions
Sep 08th 2010
65
Mad Men, S4E7, The Suitcase - A
Sep 07th 2010
41
      oh shit I forgot to paste the wrap-up!!
Sep 10th 2010
68
"Moo-hammud Ali"
Sep 07th 2010
43
Also: Oh Noes.
Sep 07th 2010
44
His mama named him Whitman, I'ma call him Whitman
Sep 07th 2010
46
great episode but the descent of Don Draper is exhausting after awhile
Sep 07th 2010
50
There's not really much more they can do
Sep 07th 2010
52
in terms of flashbacks, even the writers ran out of depressing ideas
Sep 08th 2010
66
agree with all that said. now lets mention Duck's Poop...and
Sep 07th 2010
56
LOL. I forgot about Duck almost taking a dump in Roger's office
Sep 07th 2010
58
      That white ass office too
Sep 07th 2010
59
What are the odds that Duck is going to blow his brains out?
Sep 07th 2010
57
i just got into this show abt a month ago...
Sep 10th 2010
67
Was Joan on point (question mark broken, as is right parens
Sep 12th 2010
71
I thought it was a bitch move personally...
Sep 12th 2010
72
what you said...
Sep 12th 2010
73
joan does -not- want to be peggy. *laughs*
Sep 20th 2010
179
yes, Don wasn't going to fire him.
Sep 13th 2010
74
About Peggy and the boys? Yes.
Sep 13th 2010
75
I concur.
Sep 13th 2010
76
RE: About Peggy and the boys? Yes.
Sep 13th 2010
77
      Agree with this
Sep 13th 2010
80
It's interesting
Sep 13th 2010
79
Nope. And honestly, I've always thought she's full of shit
Sep 13th 2010
88
      Neither Draper nor Joan are dinosaurs.
Sep 13th 2010
94
           Joan is a total dinosaur
Sep 13th 2010
95
                i am with you on this one
Sep 15th 2010
138
The Swag is back!
Sep 13th 2010
78
Yes INDEED
Sep 13th 2010
81
That nigga cured alcoholism with Dear Diary and a YMCA pool
Sep 13th 2010
84
      ^^^was thinking of that line all night.
Sep 13th 2010
87
RE: The Swag is back!
Sep 13th 2010
82
RE: The Swag is back!
Sep 13th 2010
83
this ep PROVED betty and her new hubby deserve each other
Sep 13th 2010
85
RE: this ep PROVED betty and her new hubby deserve each other
Sep 13th 2010
86
      i could tell she liked him, sure...
Sep 13th 2010
91
           RE: i could tell she liked him, sure...
Sep 13th 2010
96
A good change of pace after a string of heavy episodes
Sep 13th 2010
89
^^^^What he said^^^^
Sep 13th 2010
110
LOVED that Don brought his kid a stuffed elephant.
Sep 13th 2010
90
Ha! Nice catch. That's some intent viewing right there.
Sep 13th 2010
113
      Don wouldn't have done the same though
Sep 13th 2010
118
      Fair point.
Sep 14th 2010
122
      Don's not a woman, that's why
Sep 14th 2010
128
**Absolutely Useless Next Week Preview Appreciation**
Sep 13th 2010
92
They are awesome
Sep 13th 2010
93
I think they're great, in part because it cuts down on the inane
Sep 13th 2010
97
      They don't even use the hottest lines from the episodes!!
Sep 13th 2010
100
           *snorts*
Sep 13th 2010
105
           lol, right!
Sep 13th 2010
107
what about young girl's face when she saw who Don's ex was...
Sep 13th 2010
98
looked like she was about to stroke herself there instead of back at...
Sep 13th 2010
99
I was confused at why she was so turned on
Sep 13th 2010
101
      RE: I was confused at why she was so turned on
Sep 13th 2010
102
      women want what other women want.....lol
Sep 13th 2010
103
      good breakdown
Sep 14th 2010
130
      this is the impression i got
Sep 13th 2010
104
She seemed kinda impressed
Sep 13th 2010
112
      Exactly!!!
Sep 14th 2010
127
ugh betty still needs to be slapped
Sep 13th 2010
106
voice over narration?
Sep 13th 2010
108
Sex and the City 3: Back to the Future
Sep 13th 2010
109
Time-Life Bldg. They've made a pretty big deal of that
Sep 13th 2010
111
am i the only one who dug it?
Sep 13th 2010
114
Definitely worked for me, but you're right, I don't see it...
Sep 13th 2010
115
Yeah, it worked well in the context of that episode
Sep 13th 2010
119
nah i was fine with it
Sep 14th 2010
124
we was writing his memoirs?
Sep 13th 2010
116
      I think it was a journal
Sep 13th 2010
117
The scene where the camera pulled back from the drankin'
Sep 13th 2010
120
Reminded me of Vertigo.
Sep 13th 2010
121
RE: Reminded me of Vertigo.
Sep 15th 2010
136
awesome scene.
Sep 14th 2010
125
lmao@ joey thinking harry crane was trying to get with him
Sep 14th 2010
123
Yes, joey everyone wants you - Peggy
Sep 14th 2010
126
Good Episode
Sep 14th 2010
129
i'm in the minority, apparently
Sep 15th 2010
140
Anyone else think Dr. Faye faked that phone call?
Sep 14th 2010
131
Happy that Naturi (cute black chick from 3LW) will be on the show.
Sep 14th 2010
132
previous episode - suit case - When Don is boxing like Sonny L?
Sep 14th 2010
133
i was LMAO when he did. that was some Dick Tracy shit.
Sep 14th 2010
134
lol what's the first?
Sep 14th 2010
135
      Pete and Trudy cutting a rug
Sep 15th 2010
137
           anytime pete dances on screen
Sep 15th 2010
139
           i'm picturing this intro
Sep 15th 2010
141
Trudy has a spread in this month's Men's Health magazine
Sep 15th 2010
142
just watch community, she's in that and you can tell she has shape
Sep 15th 2010
143
      RE: just watch community, she's in that and you can tell she has shape
Sep 15th 2010
144
           That's her, Little Annie Adderall.
Sep 16th 2010
149
Mad Men, S4E8 "The Summer Man" - B-
Sep 15th 2010
145
Baby gene didn't look too hype to see Daddy Draper
Sep 15th 2010
146
      It's hard to gauge that with child actors though. Especially babies.
Sep 16th 2010
148
      My friends noted that on their podcast
Sep 17th 2010
153
           RE: My friends noted that on their podcast
Sep 17th 2010
154
           @Mrhood75: I meant to quote you and not OldPro above
Sep 17th 2010
157
What's with all the Joan Hate?!
Sep 16th 2010
147
I've never been as enamored with the Joan character
Sep 17th 2010
156
OK Here are my thoughts
Sep 16th 2010
150
RE: OK Here are my thoughts
Sep 16th 2010
151
it would have sounded a little something like this. . .
Sep 17th 2010
155
my first thought was homer's postcard to marge
Sep 17th 2010
158
RE: OK Here are my thoughts
Sep 17th 2010
160
I agree with this point
Sep 17th 2010
152
RE: OK Here are my thoughts
Sep 17th 2010
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      RE: OK Here are my thoughts
Sep 17th 2010
161
is this the first real appearance of race?
Sep 20th 2010
162
Nope...
Sep 20th 2010
163
It's not the first time
Sep 20th 2010
164
Damn, Blankenship
Sep 20th 2010
165
RE: Damn, Blankenship
Sep 20th 2010
166
      RE: Damn, Blankenship
Sep 20th 2010
167
ooh Sally... that fall. (c)2LC
Sep 20th 2010
168
that was Gucci Crew for the record but I appreciate the reference
Sep 20th 2010
190
"She died like she lived...
Sep 20th 2010
169
Absolutely
Sep 20th 2010
170
RE: Absolutely
Sep 20th 2010
174
RE: Absolutely
Sep 21st 2010
198
i KNEW he wasn't going to, but i still held my breath.
Sep 20th 2010
178
RE: "She died like she lived...
Oct 17th 2010
366
$50 that Joan gets pregnant
Sep 20th 2010
171
RE: $50 that Joan gets pregnant
Sep 20th 2010
173
      I was KINDA thinkin it before this ep
Sep 21st 2010
205
two takes on women in this episode:
Sep 20th 2010
172
Well this part simply isn't true:
Sep 20th 2010
175
RE: Well this part simply isn't true:
Sep 20th 2010
176
      RE: Well this part simply isn't true:
Sep 20th 2010
177
      I think we can all agree there's a scale at work here
Sep 20th 2010
181
           RE: I think we can all agree there's a scale at work here
Sep 20th 2010
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these arent working for me
Sep 20th 2010
193
      RE: these arent working for me
Sep 21st 2010
207
anyone want to take a stab at the final elevator scene?
Sep 20th 2010
180
The Beautiful Girls
Sep 20th 2010
182
RE: anyone want to take a stab at the final elevator scene?
Sep 20th 2010
184
I also liked that Ken's explanation was "I'm from Vermont"
Sep 20th 2010
185
      hahaha
Sep 20th 2010
188
      that was eye opening for vermont for me
Sep 20th 2010
192
           RE: that was eye opening for vermont for me
Sep 21st 2010
196
If I remember correctly
Sep 20th 2010
187
hrrm
Sep 20th 2010
191
found it!
Sep 20th 2010
195
      i agree with the comradery, but not completely with that blog.
Sep 21st 2010
204
So Sally's psychiatrist told Betty that Sally should walk
Sep 20th 2010
183
Roger and Joan
Sep 20th 2010
189
oh no. i love those two together.
Sep 23rd 2010
213
No, it begins with an 'L'.
Sep 20th 2010
194
No balls, no office and effin up his crosswords
Sep 21st 2010
197
So the new black actress is gonna replace Blankenship?
Sep 21st 2010
199
Did anyone else notice the very first shot of this ep
Sep 21st 2010
200
Yep, I caught that
Sep 21st 2010
201
first thing i noticed. i had to blink a few times.
Sep 21st 2010
202
RE: Did anyone else notice the very first shot of this ep
Sep 21st 2010
203
Mad Men S4E9 - The Beautiful Girls - B
Sep 21st 2010
206
RE: Mad Men S4E9 - The Beautiful Girls - B
Sep 22nd 2010
208
RE: Mad Men S4E9 - The Beautiful Girls - B
Sep 27th 2010
244
My Thoughts (I've been sitting on this for a couple of days)
Sep 23rd 2010
209
the way Cooper directed that line at Roger
Sep 23rd 2010
210
      That is absolutely what happened
Sep 23rd 2010
211
           That or the designer said "No office! You can be an active boss!"
Sep 23rd 2010
212
                I think the whole thing is comical
Sep 23rd 2010
215
Sally pouring rum on the pancakes
Sep 23rd 2010
214
I really like Faye
Sep 23rd 2010
216
L
Sep 26th 2010
217
I'm curious about what you mean
Sep 27th 2010
228
      Meaning, tonight's episode was brought to you by the letter L
Sep 27th 2010
239
           ahhh gotcha. I agree
Sep 27th 2010
240
mofos be sleeping on them gully brits
Sep 26th 2010
218
lol.
Sep 27th 2010
219
i'm dying to say, "UH THREE WHIZZKEE SARRS WILL DOOOO."
Sep 27th 2010
221
Greatest father/son beatdown since Edward Longshanks in Braveheart
Sep 27th 2010
223
i'm wondering where we got fooled
Sep 27th 2010
226
      HAHAHA
Sep 27th 2010
227
      I just snorted coffee out of my nose
Sep 27th 2010
233
Lane is so bitchmade.
Sep 27th 2010
229
Easter came early this season. also, this can't end well for The Don.
Sep 27th 2010
220
pressure cooker ep. anybody else think joan didn't 'handle it'?
Sep 27th 2010
222
I was thinking that
Sep 27th 2010
224
This is why you give people news while they're sitting down
Sep 27th 2010
225
mayne we got Lil Kim AND Big Daddy Kane in the same ep!!??!?!?!
Sep 27th 2010
230
Great episode... I thought Don was gonna Hulk out for a minute
Sep 27th 2010
231
lol...don looked ridiculous.
Sep 27th 2010
232
they had me stressin off those tickets for 50+minutes, fam.
Sep 27th 2010
234
i was worried about them beatles tickets too.
Sep 27th 2010
238
me three
Sep 27th 2010
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      I know right? He looked down at the beatles tickets
Sep 27th 2010
257
      RE: me three
Sep 28th 2010
261
      i took that as...
Oct 05th 2010
284
RE: Great episode... I thought Don was gonna Hulk out for a minute
Sep 27th 2010
241
I'm STILL in shock about how Pete handled everything
Sep 27th 2010
246
Okay, just tried the elevator thing. Doesn't work
Sep 27th 2010
248
were you rockin a tailored suit and briefcase+fedora in one hand?
Sep 27th 2010
252
      fuckin' a. Can't do that in chinos and a spit-up stained Batman T
Sep 27th 2010
258
You know, I was all ready to give Betty credit, until...
Sep 27th 2010
259
All this intrigue and Peggy nowhere to be seen?
Sep 27th 2010
235
The last temptation of Donald Draper?
Sep 27th 2010
243
Food for thought: When Roger says to Lee
Sep 27th 2010
236
yeah, i think he knows.
Sep 27th 2010
237
you're probably right
Sep 27th 2010
250
Seems possible but I dunno
Sep 27th 2010
251
I thought he was talking about Big Tobacco, but..
Sep 27th 2010
255
      lmao
Sep 28th 2010
260
oh wait...the black bunny...thoughts?
Sep 27th 2010
245
Apparently British accents go a long way in mid-60s New York
Sep 27th 2010
247
      and the fact that Lane is white
Sep 27th 2010
249
so whats the deal with Roger dropping the F-bomb?
Sep 27th 2010
253
it sure motherfing was
Sep 27th 2010
254
finally, some real cussin
Sep 27th 2010
256
that was great...
Sep 28th 2010
262
Because if he keeps doing this, no one will realize he doesn't really
Sep 28th 2010
263
2 comments on Chinese Wall
Oct 03rd 2010
264
1. Didn't see it, 2. Megan was just running game
Oct 11th 2010
320
ALEX MACK! OLYMPIC SHOULDERS!
Oct 04th 2010
265
That wa ssome bitch behavior by Roger
Oct 04th 2010
266
RE: That wa ssome bitch behavior by Roger
Oct 04th 2010
268
i'm holding out for roger
Oct 04th 2010
271
      RE: i'm holding out for roger
Oct 04th 2010
274
Cooper served his ass a big-ass ether sammich though
Oct 04th 2010
283
like i said before, i like faye. she knows how to handle don
Oct 04th 2010
267
RE: like i said before, i like faye. she knows how to handle don
Oct 04th 2010
269
so its true, guys like overbites huh?
Oct 04th 2010
273
      RE: so its true, guys like overbites huh?
Oct 04th 2010
276
      in this particular case i did
Oct 04th 2010
280
RE: like i said before, i like faye. she knows how to handle don
Oct 04th 2010
270
good point. though she sure waited a long time to cut him
Oct 04th 2010
272
yup roger's all about roger
Oct 04th 2010
282
Don is a child who is looking for mommy to take care of him.
Oct 04th 2010
275
      lol. but isnt that what most men want?
Oct 04th 2010
277
      *facepalm*
Oct 04th 2010
281
           *holds up pointer finger*
Oct 05th 2010
290
      http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/hammer%20and%20nail_web.JPG.jpeg
Oct 04th 2010
278
      i saw megan as just ego food for don
Oct 04th 2010
279
           He can't seem to leave the groupies alone
Oct 05th 2010
286
                i have a feeling that Megan is a little messed up in the head.
Oct 05th 2010
288
STERLING'S GOLD
Oct 05th 2010
285
yup. that title was gold. i was dying when i saw that shit.
Oct 05th 2010
289
or her glasses from the massage episode
Oct 11th 2010
301
Damn she got some big ass teef
Oct 05th 2010
287
wait, wat?
Oct 11th 2010
295
      holy fuck.. that's her?
Oct 11th 2010
323
Well damn....
Oct 10th 2010
291
Betty's batshit crazy, but I don't blame her 1 bit
Oct 10th 2010
292
moving the entire family is reacting appropriately?
Oct 12th 2010
330
the quote tied in nicely with the Midge scene.
Oct 11th 2010
297
"Mr. Crane, OUUUUT!"
Oct 11th 2010
293
I had to pause it until I stopped laughing
Oct 13th 2010
354
I was about to say, I would have rather Senator Kennedy sent a
Oct 11th 2010
294
Shoe-ces?
Oct 11th 2010
305
how about that Midge, huh?
Oct 11th 2010
311
More thoughts:
Oct 11th 2010
319
inflation calculator: $1.00 in 1960 had the same buying power as $7.35 i...
Oct 11th 2010
321
$10 bought a lot of heroin back then
Oct 11th 2010
329
Nepotism
Oct 12th 2010
331
woooooow...had no idea
Oct 12th 2010
334
EVEN MORE thoughts you didn't think about!!
Oct 12th 2010
338
      Ah. I didn't think of it that way.
Oct 12th 2010
343
"Turns out that was Eunice Kennedy..."
Oct 11th 2010
326
SO SHE'S CURED?! (c)WMOAT
Oct 11th 2010
296
RE: SO SHE'S CURED?! (c)WMOAT
Oct 11th 2010
299
      Faye got the hint when The Don introduced Megan as his "bodyguard"
Oct 11th 2010
303
           If nothing else, Faye's gotta be aware of his rep
Oct 11th 2010
316
                lmao @ Queen Lateetha
Oct 12th 2010
337
                damn, Lateefa just showed Buck the Wrath Of Her Madness
Oct 19th 2010
434
LMAO @ Glen getting winded from running 20 yards.
Oct 11th 2010
298
Weiner makes these climaxes for each season perfectly
Oct 11th 2010
300
I think Sally will keep seeing the Dr
Oct 11th 2010
324
Sally just BLEW MY MIND with that Land O Lakes stuff
Oct 11th 2010
302
i wish you hadn't had said that. (c)Glen
Oct 11th 2010
304
If and when he does become a serial killer
Oct 11th 2010
306
^^^^^^^^^^^^WIN!!!
Oct 11th 2010
307
lol
Oct 11th 2010
308
i've given glen a bit more thought
Oct 11th 2010
310
      Is he supposed to be older than Sally?
Oct 11th 2010
315
      idk but all of a sudden he grew
Oct 11th 2010
318
      FOH devil(s advocate)
Oct 12th 2010
335
I was waiting for him to start strangling her when he said that...
Oct 11th 2010
309
      I'm telling you, shortest episode of CSI ever
Oct 11th 2010
317
           Twice, in the same post, by the same poster. Bastard.
Oct 11th 2010
325
Apparently not..they name checked him last night
Oct 11th 2010
312
      Touche
Oct 11th 2010
313
           I knew of him.
Oct 11th 2010
314
                What does "name check" mean. They mentioned him by name?
Oct 12th 2010
344
                     Yeah...
Oct 12th 2010
346
i fucking hate that glen kid
Oct 11th 2010
322
I also did like Don giving Pete a piping hot glass of "Shut the fuck up"
Oct 11th 2010
327
well...Don did cost them a $6 Mil aviation account
Oct 11th 2010
328
      Plus he can't risk Pete leaving with all he knows
Oct 12th 2010
332
           true...didn't even think about that
Oct 12th 2010
333
                and as much shat as folx talk about Pete
Oct 12th 2010
336
                     Yeah, I didn't think it was about blackmail
Oct 12th 2010
339
                          Season 1
Oct 12th 2010
341
                               At the same time I wouldn't overplay the sentimentality of it
Oct 12th 2010
345
                                    maybe it's me
Oct 12th 2010
351
                                         Agreed on all counts!
Oct 12th 2010
353
                                              He's still "Pete Campbell: HYPOCRITE!" at the end of the day
Oct 13th 2010
357
                                                   That's what makes him Pete Campbell
Oct 14th 2010
359
                                                        well, that and this: http://petecampbellsbitchface.tumblr.com/
Oct 14th 2010
362
Predictions for the Season Finale?
Oct 12th 2010
340
Let's make this happen.
Oct 12th 2010
348
The final confrontation:
Oct 12th 2010
349
      LOL literally
Oct 13th 2010
358
      Fucking Hell I am dying over here
Oct 14th 2010
363
welp if it's like the last few times
Oct 12th 2010
352
      I certainly wouldn't call Season 3's finale anticlimactic at all
Oct 13th 2010
356
           agreed on Season 3
Oct 14th 2010
364
I also gotta note another great sobriety journal tease
Oct 12th 2010
342
Now THAT was fucking great
Oct 12th 2010
347
dag. i'm like 11,000 episodes behind. been busy.
Oct 12th 2010
350
more depressing: sally draper or ziggy sobotka?
Oct 13th 2010
355
This last episode was SO UTTERLY DEPRESSING
Oct 14th 2010
360
I really do not know what is going to happen w/ this finale
Oct 14th 2010
361
Elvis Mitchell interviews Matthew Weiner (video link)
Oct 15th 2010
365
Well, well, well... didn't see that coming
Oct 17th 2010
367
um, yeah...
Oct 17th 2010
368
Well, she kinda feels a way about Don
Oct 17th 2010
370
      Plus it turns Don into a bit of a cliche
Oct 18th 2010
380
           Yeah, Don's officially 'One of them'
Oct 18th 2010
386
Way to turn on a dime Mad Men
Oct 17th 2010
369
My beef is just the time table
Oct 17th 2010
372
      She's the anti-Betty.
Oct 17th 2010
374
           Man, when Don said she reminded him of Peggy
Oct 18th 2010
382
                ie. --don't worry, at least you got better teeth.
Oct 18th 2010
408
Post 264. n/m
Oct 17th 2010
373
*Gives props where props are due*
Oct 18th 2010
387
yeah, wtf?
Oct 18th 2010
375
i said this verbatim when it cut to credits.
Oct 18th 2010
378
So... Crane is fucking around a lot, right?
Oct 18th 2010
383
Man, when he first started talking to her in bed like that
Oct 18th 2010
389
      The way it was edited was kind of weird
Oct 18th 2010
414
      this is what i was thinking
Oct 18th 2010
426
Does the actress actually have fucked up teeth in real life?
Oct 17th 2010
371
I was wondering about this last night
Oct 18th 2010
397
looks like it
Oct 18th 2010
415
if u ask me, it works for her,
Oct 18th 2010
420
yes
Oct 18th 2010
427
i LOVED that Henry stood up to Betty.
Oct 18th 2010
376
agreed
Oct 18th 2010
428
Don, Don, Don, Don, Don... you done fucked with the wrong lady.
Oct 18th 2010
377
She can fuck him up professionally
Oct 18th 2010
381
      RE: She can fuck him up professionally
Oct 18th 2010
385
glen with the fucking BURN on betty.
Oct 18th 2010
379
Fresh starts and Gatsby
Oct 18th 2010
384
And Joan dropping the biggest non-surprise ever was still nice
Oct 18th 2010
388
Yeah, the dude's got his priorities straight
Oct 18th 2010
395
RE: And Joan dropping the biggest non-surprise ever was still nice
Oct 18th 2010
398
RE: And Joan dropping the biggest non-surprise ever was still nice
Oct 18th 2010
400
Did Don drink in the finale?
Oct 18th 2010
390
RE: Did Don drink in the finale?
Oct 18th 2010
392
He downed a beer before heading to the secretary's room n/m
Oct 18th 2010
411
Just so I'm clear
Oct 18th 2010
391
I'm willing to be corrected, but hasn't it been standard...
Oct 18th 2010
393
      RE: I'm willing to be corrected, but hasn't it been standard...
Oct 18th 2010
409
      Its the norm but only Don & Sal met with London Fog
Oct 19th 2010
436
smh @ this mad, mad, mad world of a finale
Oct 18th 2010
394
So Don WILL eventually tell Megan the truth about who he is, right?
Oct 18th 2010
396
I doubt it.
Oct 18th 2010
401
while in bed, she tells him she loves who he is now, or something to...
Oct 18th 2010
406
Sucks to be Betty.
Oct 18th 2010
399
Yes and No
Oct 18th 2010
402
      True...
Oct 18th 2010
404
           The thing is, Glen is a creepy kid
Oct 18th 2010
405
So who is Don Draper?
Oct 18th 2010
403
Megan got something up her teef... err sleeve.
Oct 18th 2010
407
she said "mom! i have some major news! go find dad, quick!"
Oct 18th 2010
410
Wrong show. LOL
Oct 18th 2010
412
Good-ass NY Times interview with Matthew Weiner (link)
Oct 18th 2010
413
Why do they have to renegotiate every season, lol
Oct 18th 2010
417
      Weiner's like Draper "working without a contract"
Oct 18th 2010
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           RE: Weiner's like Draper "working without a contract"
Oct 18th 2010
422
You know, I was ready to call this the best season of the series..
Oct 18th 2010
416
Lazy...perfect word
Oct 18th 2010
418
Go read Sepinwall's breakdown of the finale and the season as a whole
Oct 18th 2010
421
      LOL, I read it last night
Oct 18th 2010
423
           about Daniel Fienberg
Oct 19th 2010
433
                RE: about Daniel Fienberg
Oct 19th 2010
435
thoughts.
Oct 18th 2010
424
Megan as the Anti-Betty at the diner sealed it
Oct 18th 2010
425
she was. sharp ass point at that
Oct 18th 2010
429
i feel likemi've waited 3 seasons for this camraderie
Oct 18th 2010
430
RE: i feel likemi've waited 3 seasons for this camraderie
Oct 19th 2010
431
best moment of the episode for me
Oct 19th 2010
432
really, this shouldn't come as a surprise to everyone
Oct 20th 2010
437
No fury like a woman scorned . . . .
Oct 20th 2010
438
when i think about forever, i get scared. http://twitpic.com/1c7g2s
Oct 21st 2010
439
i don't get why people say Don took an L
Oct 25th 2010
440
Nah dunny its an L
Oct 27th 2010
441
      I think you are looking at it wrong...
Nov 18th 2010
442
RE: Mad Men, Season IV, Take Two
Nov 28th 2010
443

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