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29. "someone should watch more john hughes movies."
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let me preface this response by saying, some think krs-one is the greatest, others will still tell you it's rakim. i've always been a pharoahe monch guy. like it or not, very little will dissuade me. roger ebert is the g.o.a.t.

>He said that Johnny Depp is an
>actor who is committed to originality. He said that Depp's
>performance was good and that he had put an original effort
>into the character which is indeed a rarity among actors and
>actresses in Hollywood today.

we had this exact discussion before (check the arvhives.)

>But you shouldn't judge Walsh by just the one article of his
>you've read. Read what he's had to say about Iranian
>Cinema, Taiwanese Cinema, and read his harsh criticisms of
>weaker American films (both Hollywood and "independent")
>before you judge him.

i never judged the guy. i was only speaking on that one article you posted. it's really all i know about him. but my homework assignment, aside from the real homework, will be to read up on your mr. walsh.

>bullshit. I personally don't want anything to do with all
>these lobotomized films where the "mind" is removed and
>where thoughtfulness and honesty are replaced by cheap
>stimulants to get cheap laughs and cheap reactions.

neither do i, but there's a difference between pure entertainment and simple manipulation.

>You don't have to leave your mind at the door to have a good
>time at the movie theater.

right, but you shouldn't have to read up or study for one either.

btw, i can like both kinds of films in moderation.

>And it doesn't mean you're cynical or hateful just because
>you criticize a film for being hollow if that's how it makes
>you feel.
>
>You have to be more critical.

recognize who he's writing for. now this is not to say anything bad about chicago or those reading the sun-times, but the majority of people who check for movie reviews want to know if it'll be entertaining. i think he lets the "big" movies slide a little, but rips the independent ones when it comes time (see "levitiy"), given each's "respected" audience. the people that are going to see the blockbuster are already a special category. they just want to know if it'll be worse than "howard the duck" or worth the nine bucks.

and it's not like he let's them have a free pass and doesn't admit that he's might be being "easy." he knows he shouldn't be giving the film the thumbs up and explains this to the reader/viewer.

>>i'll call it "the home alone syndrome." something you can't
>>really explain just taps into and takes you for some hour
>>and half of escapism.
>
>But it's cheap. You know it is. We don't need escapism in
>our films. You can be just as entertained by something with
>a little smarts to it. You know?

sure. but you react to "escapism" like it's a slur. a balance between extremes would be desired. i couldn't take a million bergman films without getting a craving for "zoolander" every once in a while.

movies can make you think, entertain you, move you, make you feel, but in this day and age, movies should especially not make you waste your money. if roger ebert can give the reader fair warning as to why it's bad or why it's alright or as to why it's good, do this honestly and intelligently and constantly, then he's my favorite.

  

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roger ebert is the G.O.A.T. [View all] , ricky_BUTLER, Tue Sep-16-03 06:02 PM
 
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he's always been my favorite...
Sep 16th 2003
1
he's got nothing on Leonard Maltin
Sep 16th 2003
2
can i aim a gun at you through the computer?
Sep 16th 2003
4
      hi im DrNO
Sep 16th 2003
5
           i don't get it
Sep 16th 2003
6
                Well i loved it
Sep 16th 2003
7
                     well, me and my ugly bitch cohost
Sep 16th 2003
8
                          RE: well, me and my ugly bitch cohost
Sep 17th 2003
16
                               i thought knockaround guys was alright
Sep 17th 2003
77
                                    RE: knockaround guys was awful
Sep 18th 2003
99
Thats always been my point of view
Sep 16th 2003
3
he's got his flaws
Sep 17th 2003
9
cop and a half got 3 stars?!
Sep 17th 2003
17
      RE: cop and a half got 3 stars?!
Sep 17th 2003
26
      RE: cop and a half got 3 stars?!
Sep 17th 2003
45
No
Sep 17th 2003
10
dear friday (no, thats supposed to be dear john)
Sep 17th 2003
18
      RE: dear friday (no, thats supposed to be dear john)
Sep 17th 2003
27
          
           RE: someone should watch more john hughes movies.
Sep 17th 2003
40
                you dissing the breakfast club? oh no you didnt-
Sep 17th 2003
43
                RE: you dissing the breakfast club? oh no you didnt-
Sep 17th 2003
50
                     curly sue killed my childhood
Sep 17th 2003
54
                          RE: curly sue killed my childhood
Sep 17th 2003
55
                Friday...Just two little questions
Sep 17th 2003
47
                     RE: Friday...Just two little questions
Sep 17th 2003
51
                          RE: Friday...Just two little questions
Sep 17th 2003
64
                               RE: Friday...Just two little questions
Sep 17th 2003
66
                                    RE: Friday...Just two little questions
Sep 17th 2003
68
                                         not at all.
Sep 17th 2003
70
                                              i dont think you or Walsh
Sep 17th 2003
72
                                                   RE: i dont think you or Walsh
Sep 17th 2003
78
           the arts are all about escapism
Sep 17th 2003
33
                RE: the arts are all about escapism
Sep 17th 2003
36
                     no
Sep 17th 2003
39
                          But still not true
Sep 17th 2003
41
                               noted....
Sep 17th 2003
42
                                    Sometimes
Sep 17th 2003
44
He gave 'Usual Suspects' thumbs down!
Sep 17th 2003
11
me and roger agreed.
Sep 17th 2003
19
      That movie's not all about the end (spoilers)
Sep 17th 2003
23
      i don't want to get into this again/edit
Sep 17th 2003
24
           Read the edit to my post
Sep 17th 2003
25
      I thought I was the only one
Sep 17th 2003
46
           you, me, and friday
Sep 17th 2003
48
           at least I'm in good company
Sep 17th 2003
61
           Another lost cause? Woe is me...
Sep 17th 2003
49
At least he's always honest.
Sep 17th 2003
12
yeah
Sep 17th 2003
82
Fuck him
Sep 17th 2003
13
i spit on your grave
Sep 17th 2003
21
      RE: i spit on your grave
Sep 17th 2003
56
           ebert on fight club
Sep 17th 2003
57
he is A goat
Sep 17th 2003
14
I think Vincent Gallo put it best
Sep 17th 2003
15
ebert won that battle of the words
Sep 17th 2003
22
      as sad is this may be he hasn't had the last word yet
Sep 17th 2003
28
           is that for real?
Sep 17th 2003
30
                and Roger Ebert as large as he is
Sep 17th 2003
31
                     ebert v. siskel
Sep 17th 2003
32
                          sorry but I grew up around this subject
Sep 17th 2003
34
                               oh i see
Sep 17th 2003
35
Fuck a ebert..up with BONSU!!!
Sep 17th 2003
20
rex reed is the GOAT
Sep 17th 2003
37
Siskel was much better
Sep 17th 2003
38
I miss the Siskel & Ebert days
Sep 17th 2003
59
      He's a shitty columnist too.
Sep 17th 2003
87
           he already lives in chicago
Sep 17th 2003
88
                if that was the criteria
Sep 17th 2003
90
                     he married chaz in 93
Sep 17th 2003
91
                          naw, there was a marked decline
Sep 17th 2003
92
                               do you know when that was exactly?
Sep 17th 2003
93
                                    I need to go to bed, but
Sep 17th 2003
94
                                         patiently waiting
Sep 17th 2003
95
                                              LOL. blame Chaz.
Sep 17th 2003
96
Pauline Kael is the G.O.A.T.
Sep 17th 2003
52
and she praised Ebert
Sep 17th 2003
81
true, but Richard Roeper is garbage
Sep 17th 2003
53
My problem with Ebert
Sep 17th 2003
58
but film is a visual medium
Sep 17th 2003
60
      So many directors don't get it
Sep 17th 2003
75
I'll always be annoyed at him
Sep 17th 2003
62
ebert on raising arizona
Sep 17th 2003
65
that movie ISNT good though
Sep 17th 2003
83
D A V I D W A L S H
Sep 17th 2003
63
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 17th 2003
67
cosign with Ricky
Sep 17th 2003
69
RE: cosign with Ricky
Sep 17th 2003
71
      RE: cosign with Ricky
Sep 17th 2003
73
           RE: cosign with Ricky
Sep 17th 2003
79
????????? (that's all i could think of)
Sep 17th 2003
74
      RE: ????????? (that's all i could think of)
Sep 17th 2003
76
           SSU FIlm Institute
Sep 17th 2003
80
                RE: SSU FIlm Institute
Sep 17th 2003
84
critics with overt political readings of films
Sep 17th 2003
86
Anthony Lane, no contest.
Sep 17th 2003
85
the new yorker guy?
Sep 17th 2003
89
      my justification
Sep 18th 2003
98
the roger-chaz-black film connection
Sep 18th 2003
97
now a white guy can be suspect
Sep 18th 2003
100
      RE: & now a brotha's view
Sep 18th 2003
101
      well
Sep 18th 2003
119
People's Exhibit A
Sep 18th 2003
102
RE: Harlem Nights vs Hoodlum
Sep 18th 2003
103
I didn't like Roth's performance in Hoodlum
Sep 18th 2003
104
      RE: I didn't like Roth's performance in Hoodlum
Sep 18th 2003
105
           Yeah he's the only good thing in Planet of the Apes
Sep 18th 2003
106
not sure what your point is, but
Sep 18th 2003
108
my point is
Sep 18th 2003
112
      but if his soft spot is crappy black movies
Sep 18th 2003
118
           the original point
Sep 18th 2003
122
                RE: Possibly
Sep 19th 2003
125
Hoodlum is one of the few movies...
Sep 20th 2003
132
Exhibit B
Sep 18th 2003
107
jungle fever/higher learning are 'black films'
Sep 18th 2003
109
      no
Sep 18th 2003
110
           He's softer on all films than he used to be
Sep 18th 2003
111
           Since 1993?
Sep 18th 2003
113
                Higher Learning was 95!
Sep 18th 2003
114
                     gracias
Sep 18th 2003
116
           he's been historically soft on black films
Sep 18th 2003
115
                I'd also like to add
Sep 18th 2003
117
so what we learned . . .
Sep 18th 2003
120
RE: so what we learned . . .
Sep 18th 2003
121
Roeper has the best job in the world
Sep 18th 2003
123
      hahaha...so true
Sep 20th 2003
133
his cold creek manor review
Sep 19th 2003
124
Exhibit C: The Smoking Gun
Sep 19th 2003
126
white people like gangster films too
Sep 19th 2003
127
      enter it for the defense
Sep 19th 2003
128
      yup
Sep 19th 2003
129
      You don't have to think it sucks...
Sep 20th 2003
131
      in all seriousness
Sep 19th 2003
130
the term G.O.A.T.
Sep 23rd 2003
134

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