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"The Official Watchmen Post."


  

          

Let's start a fresh discussion and get away from all the comments generated by the HW Reporter review and the graphic novel.

Midnight screenings tomorrow night and some of you have already seen it so share with us..just don't forget the spoiler alert.

NICE TRY KOWALSKI

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The Official Watchmen Post. [View all] , Clark Kent, Wed Mar-04-09 09:50 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
FIRST.
Mar 04th 2009
1
Roger Ebert 's Four Star Review (swipe)
Mar 04th 2009
2
Today @ work, I read like 5 reviews of Watchmen
Mar 04th 2009
4
the only reviewer i care about
Mar 04th 2009
5
Ebert understands, more than any other film reviewer...
Mar 05th 2009
11
^^Mrhood wouldn't talk Watchmen with this guy
Mar 05th 2009
16
seeing it on friday
Mar 04th 2009
3
i still can't see what im posting, am I a ghost?
Mar 04th 2009
6
seeing it Sat on IMAX.
Mar 05th 2009
7
Hopefully it's not as retarded as 300
Mar 05th 2009
8
test.
Mar 05th 2009
9
YES ITS WORKING AGAIN!!
Mar 05th 2009
10
Crudup was just on Fallon...
Mar 05th 2009
12
saw it on monday in IMAX, i enjoyed it a lot.
Mar 05th 2009
13
*munches noisily on sugar cubes, throws wrappers on floor of post*
Mar 05th 2009
14
*eats raw can of beans*
Mar 05th 2009
17
      *gulps raw egg in a cracked shell*
Mar 05th 2009
20
saw it a few weeks ago up in LA.....FABULOUS!!!
Mar 05th 2009
15
I mean, wow, almost 3 hours?
Mar 05th 2009
18
anything less would be horseshit
Mar 05th 2009
26
That's what she said.
Mar 05th 2009
27
Well-played n/m
Mar 07th 2009
110
Ok, since I read it, the time went by quickly while watching the movie
Mar 06th 2009
41
watchmen saturday morning cartoon
Mar 05th 2009
19
LMAO
Mar 05th 2009
21
rorschach with the dogs. lol.
Mar 06th 2009
44
I laffed
Mar 05th 2009
22
That was awesome.
Mar 05th 2009
24
waow. ninjas be having too much time on they hands. and i'm glad.
Mar 06th 2009
37
Wow.
Mar 06th 2009
46
If only I could get that kiss
Mar 06th 2009
49
that was fucked hahahaha.
Mar 06th 2009
70
all types of casms and awkwards in that joint
Mar 06th 2009
77
sweet
Mar 09th 2009
264
hold up -- Matthew Goode said to suck his dick? GANGSTA!!
Mar 05th 2009
23
wow
Mar 05th 2009
25
Wow. But, shit, I wouldn't blame him if he sucks as Ozy.
Mar 05th 2009
28
it was brilliant.
Mar 05th 2009
29
*Shits pants*
Mar 05th 2009
32
      *dead*
Mar 06th 2009
35
no one wants to see it at midnight with me. :(
Mar 05th 2009
30
you can go with longo and i
Mar 05th 2009
31
it was good, not great
Mar 05th 2009
33
*skims graphic novel before screening*
Mar 06th 2009
34
this one was necessary though...I think you woulda deleted it..
Mar 06th 2009
36
Frank Longo: A ticket buyer, A+++ initial meeting
Mar 06th 2009
38
sounds like the beginning of a wonderful bromance.
Mar 06th 2009
50
My thoughts (contains spoilers to those unfamiliar with the book):
Mar 06th 2009
39
this is true
Mar 06th 2009
45
Wait, there are actual IMAX-sized scenes?
Mar 06th 2009
48
I definitely think everything at the beginning is important.
Mar 06th 2009
51
      Here's the thing with the book
Mar 06th 2009
57
           I think the self-control of pace is such a fantastic point.
Mar 06th 2009
63
This is EXACTLY how I felt once the film ended
Mar 09th 2009
220
The "alternate ending" did not change the story really (n/m)
Mar 06th 2009
40
That shit was long
Mar 06th 2009
42
wow @ the NEW NEW new star trek trailer
Mar 06th 2009
43
I'm seriously geeked for that.
Mar 06th 2009
47
link?
Mar 06th 2009
69
Question for those who have seen it (possible mild spoiler)
Mar 06th 2009
52
You heard wrong.
Mar 06th 2009
54
      Thanks
Mar 06th 2009
55
      RE: Thanks
Mar 06th 2009
60
      Yeah, I'm irritated that it's Dan talking to Vedit and not Rorschach
Mar 06th 2009
58
It was an ambitious effort
Mar 06th 2009
53
You nailed it with Juse Law...buut..
Mar 06th 2009
56
RE: You nailed it with Juse Law...buut..
Mar 06th 2009
59
Pre-total batshit Tom Cruise.
Mar 06th 2009
67
      That's a real good call, n/m.
Mar 06th 2009
75
havent seen it yet, read the book
Mar 06th 2009
61
As a non-reader, the "35 minutes ago" line had huge impact for me.
Mar 06th 2009
62
Really? That's good then. I guess my perspective is so skewered.
Mar 06th 2009
64
Did i mean skewed?
Mar 06th 2009
65
      nope! hibachi!
Mar 06th 2009
68
           Ha! Skewed it is!
Mar 06th 2009
76
RE: As a non-reader, the "35 minutes ago" line had huge impact for me.
Mar 07th 2009
101
Totally agree
Mar 07th 2009
111
I've read the graphic novel and thought the 35 minutes ago line
Mar 07th 2009
132
This is awful
Mar 06th 2009
66
you haven't even seen it.
Mar 06th 2009
72
i was IN this movie when i posted...and it WAS BAD
Mar 06th 2009
78
your agenda-based posting is lame
Mar 06th 2009
74
and you mad they made a fucked up movie...GOOD!
Mar 06th 2009
79
      actually, i've debated with you about 1 movie ever, i think
Mar 06th 2009
82
           what? i liked the dark knight, dumbass
Mar 06th 2009
83
                RE: what? i liked the dark knight, dumbass
Mar 06th 2009
84
Oh so you're posting-from-the-movie-theater guy. That's awesome.
Mar 06th 2009
85
      yeah, i'm that guy. and it didn't change the movie one bit
Mar 08th 2009
168
wild boring
Mar 06th 2009
71
What was the last comic movie you saw that you liked?
Mar 06th 2009
73
      dark knight
Mar 07th 2009
114
Hitler's reaction to the ending (SPOILERS)
Mar 06th 2009
80
HILARIOUS!!!!
Mar 07th 2009
157
Brilliant!
Mar 07th 2009
159
*bangs head on keyboard* HA!!!
Mar 09th 2009
265
'It's like paying a hooker for housecleaning!'
Mar 14th 2009
333
and I'm off to see it...6:30 showing.
Mar 06th 2009
81
I wasnt prepared (Spoiler)
Mar 06th 2009
86
I give that review an 8
Mar 06th 2009
87
haha
Mar 06th 2009
88
Yo this is actually the best review I've read n/m
Mar 07th 2009
108
bwahahahaha
Mar 07th 2009
109
review gets a 9, avy gets a 82930482098342822. gotdamn.
Mar 07th 2009
113
^^^^ All other PTP reviews of this movie are shit compared to this one.
Mar 07th 2009
162
dude who play roshach completely owned the role..
Mar 06th 2009
89
you mean kelly leak?
Mar 07th 2009
99
      i waited for it^^^^^^^
Mar 08th 2009
177
just seent it in beirut...good watch, man.
Mar 06th 2009
90
I enjoyed this shit, with minor reservations.
Mar 06th 2009
91
Simply Put.. This is one of the best DC comic moves ever!
Mar 06th 2009
92
Just returned from it (some SPERLERZ)
Mar 06th 2009
93
read his review again
Mar 06th 2009
94
Exactly
Mar 07th 2009
96
Bingo
Mar 07th 2009
128
      Nope, not at all.
Mar 07th 2009
142
Some disagreements:
Mar 07th 2009
102
RE: Some disagreements:
Mar 07th 2009
126
i think it was intentional, but still was poorly done
Mar 07th 2009
119
i would have liked to see this too
Mar 07th 2009
130
THE ENDING WAS SUCH TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT!
Mar 07th 2009
95
Hey man..you're not really photogenic...I'm sorry.
Mar 07th 2009
104
      Uh....Clark...Squid is a woman. Be careful.
Mar 07th 2009
117
i liked seein a book i loved made into film, but it was pretty boring...
Mar 07th 2009
97
lol what was boring? This isn't your typical comic book flick.
Mar 07th 2009
105
calm down fella....
Mar 07th 2009
143
actually, thanks now i have faith to finish the novel
Mar 10th 2009
296
Hrmm......my two cents on Watchmen....
Mar 07th 2009
98
the cartoony aspects of the film are what helped it translate
Mar 07th 2009
106
      I disagree.....
Mar 07th 2009
107
delivered the goods
Mar 07th 2009
100
i know a lot of those songs came from the comic
Mar 07th 2009
124
lmao at "not Jeff Buckley" version
Mar 15th 2009
342
$25 mil on Friday, looks to make around $60 mil this weekend.
Mar 07th 2009
103
i don't see this having legs
Mar 07th 2009
123
      agreed.
Mar 07th 2009
139
      It will probably drop pretty significantly week 2
Mar 07th 2009
141
           Well, it has ZERO competiton Week 2.
Mar 07th 2009
146
that was a hot mess.... extremely disappointing
Mar 07th 2009
112
you're just baiting people. you're not allowed to hate this wack movie
Mar 07th 2009
116
basically.
Mar 07th 2009
120
      RE: basically.
Mar 07th 2009
122
           RE: basically.
Mar 08th 2009
171
                RE: basically.
Mar 08th 2009
174
Slate's Alternate Watchmen
Mar 07th 2009
115
http://i43.tinypic.com/119s50l.jpg
Mar 07th 2009
118
Numbers
Mar 07th 2009
134
LMFAO @ Sofia Coppola.
Mar 07th 2009
140
smh @ Rorschach as Tyler Perry's Madea
Mar 08th 2009
179
Don't read the comic before seeing the movie
Mar 07th 2009
121
This is key
Mar 07th 2009
131
      RE: This is key
Mar 07th 2009
135
total mixed bag
Mar 07th 2009
125
RE: total mixed bag
Mar 07th 2009
136
Should I read it first?
Mar 07th 2009
127
don't know if you should read it first, but definitely read it
Mar 07th 2009
129
I say see it first then read n/m
Mar 07th 2009
133
See the movie first
Mar 07th 2009
137
RE: See the movie first
Mar 07th 2009
138
Read it, then don't see the movie.
Mar 08th 2009
204
^ correct
Mar 09th 2009
215
definitely read it first.
Mar 11th 2009
303
liked it, plus thoughts (spoilers)...
Mar 07th 2009
144
makes me want to read the book.
Mar 07th 2009
145
Answers unless you wanna read the OGN and get the answers yourself
Mar 07th 2009
147
RE: makes me want to read the book.
Mar 07th 2009
148
the songs were too "popular?"
Mar 08th 2009
175
      they were playing some of the most popular songs of all time
Mar 08th 2009
178
      No shit.
Mar 09th 2009
267
RE: makes me want to read the book.
Mar 07th 2009
149
Andrian and Egypt
Mar 08th 2009
180
      Aha!
Mar 08th 2009
189
      no he didn't.
Mar 11th 2009
302
it was pretty wack and I'm glad I didn't read the book
Mar 07th 2009
150
^^^ has hate in his heart..and bad taste.
Mar 07th 2009
155
you should read the book...shit, my MOM likes the book
Mar 08th 2009
182
      nah, I'm pretty sure I'd think the book was wack too
Mar 08th 2009
186
           maybe its because a lot of shit has bit from this in the last 20 yrs.
Mar 08th 2009
190
                and I'm willing to consider that possibility
Mar 08th 2009
194
                but listen to emcees from the 80's, or beats. some shit still rock, no
Mar 09th 2009
245
                     and I can see that, but I can't get by it
Mar 09th 2009
247
                          ok, well its clear you've made up your mind
Mar 09th 2009
249
                               I'm not "missing out"
Mar 09th 2009
252
                                    keep telling yourself that
Mar 09th 2009
254
                Nah
Mar 09th 2009
231
                     were you in college at the time?
Mar 09th 2009
236
                          Yeah
Mar 09th 2009
253
                               doesn't count. I thought Kweli was a good rapper when I was in college
Mar 09th 2009
255
                                    That's on you
Mar 09th 2009
257
                                    Kweli is a GREAT rapper. nm
Mar 09th 2009
268
                                         ^^^still in college
Mar 10th 2009
274
                                              lol at this exchange
Mar 10th 2009
279
                                              Haha...I just peeped RJ's steez...nigga brining VENOM...Haha
Mar 15th 2009
341
spoiler
Mar 07th 2009
151
No, I got that too
Mar 07th 2009
152
RE: No, I got that too
Mar 08th 2009
192
Atcually it wasn't intentional
Mar 07th 2009
154
RE: spoiler
Mar 07th 2009
158
RE: The Official Watchmen Post.
Mar 07th 2009
153
i agree with almost all of this and haven't read the comic yet.
Mar 07th 2009
160
For those of you who actually liked the movie...
Mar 07th 2009
156
Dunk's Diary: March 7th, 2009
Mar 07th 2009
161
A+ effort, but the movie itself gets a C
Mar 07th 2009
163
You seriously took the words right outta of my mouth
Mar 08th 2009
197
from the other thread & 1
Mar 07th 2009
164
It's a special liquid that is not stable, thus it moves around
Mar 08th 2009
167
RE: from the other thread & 1
Mar 08th 2009
181
Re: The mask
Mar 08th 2009
188
I would say go ahead and check it out again in IMAX
Mar 08th 2009
201
"evil" doc > squid.
Mar 08th 2009
165
i might be inclined to agree
Mar 08th 2009
183
except the squid was clearly 'alien'
Mar 08th 2009
202
except (spoilers)
Mar 08th 2009
206
      pretty much.
Mar 08th 2009
213
Someone please explain the squid
Mar 09th 2009
218
      do you mean, why does the squid work as a plot device?
Mar 09th 2009
221
           I will take any explanation really
Mar 09th 2009
225
                well, veidts master plan was (spoilers)
Mar 09th 2009
228
                     Thanks, this definitely would not work in the film
Mar 09th 2009
229
wow I LOVED IT........
Mar 08th 2009
166
Am I the only one that liked the score?
Mar 08th 2009
169
I like some of it, and didnt really care for others...
Mar 08th 2009
172
I liked it too. It reminded me of parts of Clockwork Orange
Mar 08th 2009
185
RE: The Official Watchmen Post.
Mar 08th 2009
170
zack's a hack n/m
Mar 08th 2009
173
RE: The Official Watchmen Post.
Mar 08th 2009
176
I wish they included Rorchach's origin
Mar 08th 2009
184
saw it Friday night.
Mar 08th 2009
187
RE: saw it Friday night.
Mar 08th 2009
193
shock value thru the roof--but i liked it *slight spoiler*
Mar 08th 2009
191
But it is rated R
Mar 08th 2009
195
Hold THEE fuck up.
Mar 08th 2009
196
NC-17?? LOL. Not even close.
Mar 08th 2009
198
RE: shock value thru the roof--but i liked it *slight spoiler*
Mar 08th 2009
199
they tryna go out like bruce wayne's pops an have they seed
Mar 08th 2009
212
What do you think Rorschach would say about those kids there?
Mar 08th 2009
200
      Kids at movie. Parents awful. Verminous. Filthy. World filthy. Hrmm.
Mar 08th 2009
205
      Worked like a charm
Mar 08th 2009
207
      I think they brought the kids to it cause they think its a comic book mo...
Mar 08th 2009
209
           y'all people keep forgetting the R-rating means it's up to the parents
Mar 08th 2009
210
                LOL at you thinking the average 7 year old has read Watchmen
Mar 09th 2009
223
                     he said most kids have read Watchmen, lol.
Mar 09th 2009
233
                     RE: LOL at you thinking the average 7 year old has read Watchmen
Mar 09th 2009
271
                          RE: LOL at you thinking the average 7 year old has read Watchmen
Mar 10th 2009
277
I liked it
Mar 08th 2009
203
I didn't like it
Mar 08th 2009
208
people just shouldn't make comic books movies
Mar 08th 2009
211
      this was Sin City's biggest flaw:
Mar 09th 2009
216
it was awesome.
Mar 09th 2009
214
Meh. C+. A for effort though.
Mar 09th 2009
217
I absoulutely loved it.. A+(fyi i never read the novel)
Mar 09th 2009
219
has anyone watched the itunes "motion comic"?
Mar 09th 2009
222
Are they charging for that?
Mar 09th 2009
242
      its $20 for the whole thing
Mar 09th 2009
248
I'm halfway through the book but I really liked the movie
Mar 09th 2009
224
highfalutin bullsh*t.
Mar 09th 2009
226
This was a major problem.
Mar 09th 2009
237
RE: The Official Watchmen Post.
Mar 09th 2009
227
and now that I've read the entire thread
Mar 09th 2009
230
This was my biggest beef.......
Mar 09th 2009
241
I think it has about 30-40 Million to make it's budget back.
Mar 09th 2009
232
Better or worse than:
Mar 09th 2009
234
I think Sin City and Hellboy edge it out
Mar 09th 2009
239
If I were to rank them...
Mar 09th 2009
246
Take out League and replace with Fron Hell.
Mar 09th 2009
269
      I didn't even watch that one
Mar 10th 2009
293
Better than all.
Mar 09th 2009
260
      Hellboy 2 was beautiful to watch
Mar 10th 2009
292
8 out of 10
Mar 09th 2009
235
RE: 8 out of 10
Mar 09th 2009
244
I liked the way the first half got you invested in the characters
Mar 09th 2009
250
      you thought the first half got you invested in the characters?
Mar 09th 2009
251
      I'm not an expert on much
Mar 09th 2009
256
           RE: I'm not an expert on much
Mar 10th 2009
281
      rorschach's mask...
Mar 10th 2009
273
Your taste in music (in general) and this film is on point.
Mar 09th 2009
270
      Nah. I got mad attention. This movie just sucked rabbit shit.
Mar 11th 2009
297
so why was the Doc's junk on the screen for the majority
Mar 09th 2009
238
I took it as part of his increasing lack of consern for humanity
Mar 09th 2009
240
      yes, and its very fleshed out in the book
Mar 09th 2009
243
           lol @ fleshed out.
Mar 09th 2009
258
                haha totally messed that
Mar 09th 2009
259
AFTER A SECOND VIEWING, I have new thoughts:
Mar 09th 2009
261
RE: AFTER A SECOND VIEWING, I have new thoughts:
Mar 10th 2009
276
FRANK! FRANK! THIS THREAD HAS *300* replies!
Mar 11th 2009
301
I don't understand the disdain for '50s Silk Spectre
Mar 14th 2009
334
      Maybe it's the makeup then. I dunno. It seemed like a stiff performance.
Mar 17th 2009
359
      It was bad acting, man.
Mar 17th 2009
360
           it was as *bad* as her onscreen daughter's to me
Mar 17th 2009
361
yo, I wanna read the book with updated art
Mar 09th 2009
262
Oh yeah, and I can't WAIT for a colorized It's A Wonderful Life.
Mar 10th 2009
275
I only say that because the first comic I got into was Spawn
Mar 10th 2009
280
      i read a lot of comics when i was like 6-12 years old
Mar 10th 2009
283
      Ah, I see the problem here.
Mar 10th 2009
284
Just read it with updated taste instead.
Mar 10th 2009
282
      I'm sorry to dissapoint you by not liking what I wasnt exposed to
Mar 10th 2009
291
Loved it.
Mar 09th 2009
263
I PREDICTED THE EXACT ENDING MONTHS AGO (LINK)
Mar 09th 2009
266
RAWR Dr Manhattan
Mar 09th 2009
272
So im reading the Watchmen now and im only in the beginning
Mar 10th 2009
278
You should wait until you read the whole book to comment further.
Mar 10th 2009
285
      Damm, Peach, let the man speak
Mar 10th 2009
286
           I didn't realize that "FOH"
Mar 10th 2009
294
                Me and James Peach = Nite Owl & The Comedian doing crowd control
Mar 10th 2009
295
i think they blew it on the most powerful parts of the material
Mar 10th 2009
287
but to keep it to the OG the movie would have been 6 hrs long
Mar 10th 2009
289
i cosign you on everything you stated.
Mar 12th 2009
311
      I went back and forth with a friend over this one.
Mar 12th 2009
312
A noble failure... which I enjoyed.
Mar 10th 2009
288
Walked out during the Mars conversation
Mar 10th 2009
290
Boring, stupid, amateurish dumb dogshit.
Mar 11th 2009
298
^^^^^^^Gets it^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Mar 11th 2009
300
that's the thing, it's just not a good movie
Mar 11th 2009
304
you're just baiting people. you're not allowed to hate this wack movie
Mar 11th 2009
306
foh faggot you didnt even see the shit or read the comic
Mar 12th 2009
313
you're just baiting people. you're not allowed to hate this wack movie
Mar 11th 2009
305
i fucking hated it. and i hate it more and more as time goes on
Mar 11th 2009
299
Two things I caught this time around:
Mar 11th 2009
307
RE: Two things I caught this time around:
Mar 11th 2009
308
He certainly looked very gay in his nippled costume at 54.
Mar 11th 2009
309
Dude, he and David Bowie and Mick Jagger all kicking it
Mar 12th 2009
310
      I laughed so hard when I saw that
Mar 12th 2009
318
           ^^^ THIS guy
Mar 12th 2009
319
           'Cause people would recognize 'Berlin' Bowie
Mar 12th 2009
320
                lol
Mar 14th 2009
329
                Then don't have him in it
Mar 14th 2009
335
                     dude nixon was elected to a third term.
Mar 17th 2009
351
I caught that "boys" shit too
Mar 12th 2009
315
Loved it
Mar 12th 2009
314
Rorshach was abused like an ugly stepchild by this awful movie.
Mar 12th 2009
317
      Blame Alan Moore
Mar 12th 2009
321
      When will you nerds realize I don't give a fuck about no book?
Mar 13th 2009
322
           you's a weird nigga.
Mar 13th 2009
327
                lol..he trie to be hood but you see his nerd inside his postings
Mar 14th 2009
331
                     I'm a standard modern black man, doggie
Mar 14th 2009
336
                          Does Standard Black Man come with power windows?
Mar 16th 2009
347
      well Rorschach WAS an abused ugly bastard child after all
Mar 13th 2009
324
      ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Mar 13th 2009
325
           RE: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Mar 13th 2009
326
      What part of Batman & Robin had your heart racing?
Mar 13th 2009
328
           Watchmen was *slightly* better than 'Batman and Robin'.
Mar 14th 2009
330
                i understand where you're coming from, but jesus christ
Mar 14th 2009
337
                ^^^ OEMADius
Mar 14th 2009
338
                     *shrugs* hey, don't hate me cuz your fave movie is poop
Mar 14th 2009
339
Was I the only one that thought that Rorschach was terrible
Mar 12th 2009
316
My thought...
Mar 13th 2009
323
the opening credits were my favorite part of the movie
Mar 14th 2009
332
Nope not good.
Mar 14th 2009
340
DID ANYBODY NOTICE.........(spoilers)
Mar 15th 2009
343
yes
Mar 15th 2009
344
RE: DID ANYBODY NOTICE.........(spoilers)
Mar 15th 2009
345
how many times did kovacs pop up?
Mar 15th 2009
346
I spotted him pretty much everytime Dan was walking outside
Mar 16th 2009
349
i counted like 4 times.
Mar 16th 2009
350
yeah i watched again saturday and noticed it was wild
Mar 16th 2009
348
as someone who knew NOTHING about ANYTHING walkin in...
Mar 17th 2009
352
this is BS
Mar 17th 2009
353
But he still enjoyed it.
Mar 17th 2009
354
      But that reason is bullshit .
Mar 17th 2009
355
           He didn't say that was why he liked it.
Mar 17th 2009
356
           Exactly...Dude just pissed off cuz some ppl actually liked it
Mar 17th 2009
358
           lol @ ya'll overanalyzing people's personal opinions...
Mar 17th 2009
357
^this was the same reaction my co-workers had^
Mar 18th 2009
363
saw it for a second time tonite...
Mar 18th 2009
366
It's much better on second viewing
Mar 17th 2009
362
RE: The Official Watchmen Post.
Mar 18th 2009
364
as much as O_E "hated it" he seems awfully invested in
Mar 18th 2009
365

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