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86. "Thank you, but also..."
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Some folks in another post were bitching about loose plot points, but okay, what plot points were not tied up? Persephone was just window dressing in Reloaded, but she just happened to help things along. So what was that about? Yeah, she's hot to look at, but she's a program! What can she do besides what she was designed to do? But that was never explained.
As far as the ending, when you think about it, unless the machines won (which they didn't) or the humans won, which they couldn't have, it ended the only way it could end. Its open ended, but
SPOILER ALERT...kinda
The architect and the Oracle were playing around with the whole thing and the architect said that the minds that wanted to be freed would be freed and the ones that wanted to remain (like Cypher...and probably my sister, if this joint was real) could remain. The Oracle's whole deal was choice. Instead of being forced to do things, which was what Neo refused to accept, everyone had a choice. She was tired of the old way of doing things, which was creating a Zion and a "one" who gave that false sense of hope to the human race, only to see things destroyed. Watch the Second Renaissance again, and then watch the first two. After that, go see this one again, and if you still don't like it, for whatever reason...well...that's your opinion.
The question would be whether or not human nature would lead the surviving Zionites to try and come back to the surface and take over again, or would they just decide to live in Zion and jack in whenever to do whatever.
I thought the shit was good, but then again, I can see the good points in Star Wars...I mean, they're all just movies, not life changing experiences. Plus if you think this flick sucked, go see Underworld and then Scary Movie 3 and then check this again.
ANOTHER SPOILER:
In case you missed it, the end of Neo was the end of Smith. In the first flick, when Neo merged with Smith, he became the positive and Smith became the negative. Its just like math, -1 and 1 equal 0. Once Smith merged with Neo, Smith could no longer exist. Neo figured that out because he couldn't finish Smith and Smith couldn't finish him. Its mathematics.
The next "one" will probably be the one that merges the machine and human world together for better or for worst.
In the first flick the Oracle told Neo he'd have to choose, and that was consistent with what happened here. Everything in Reloaded was the inciting incident for this one. That's my OPINION and what I got out of it.
Forget the philosophy for a second and think about the things that this flick and the Terminator films say about human nature. Philosophy has so many different interpretations, but human nature is just that and to me, that's what these flicks represent.
"Ernest Hemingway once wrote, the world is a fine place and worth fighting for. He was right about the second part."

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The Matrix: Revolutions Predictions? [View all] , TekzillaOhioSt, Fri Oct-24-03 08:13 AM
 
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my prediction
Oct 24th 2003
1
i think Big Worm is right
Oct 24th 2003
2
I predict he is wrong
Oct 24th 2003
8
I also think it will suck balls
Oct 24th 2003
9
Good one...
Nov 05th 2003
70
i predict that this movie is gonna be the shit
Oct 24th 2003
3
i concur, it'll suck
Oct 24th 2003
4
magic neo and the unicolor trenchcoat
Oct 24th 2003
5
a matrix in a matrix
Oct 24th 2003
6
no matrix-within-matrix
Oct 24th 2003
7
RE: no matrix-within-matrix
Oct 25th 2003
11
Neither a fistful of lard nor a bottle of lube...
Oct 24th 2003
10
The architect already let it be known
Oct 25th 2003
12
RE: The architect already let it be known
Nov 01st 2003
35
      And Suzanne Pleshette will be in his bed
Nov 02nd 2003
38
RE: The Matrix: Revolutions Predictions?
Oct 25th 2003
13
RE: dream
Oct 26th 2003
15
      straight super mario bros. 2
Nov 04th 2003
57
the matrix-within-a-matrix scenario is such a copout.
Oct 25th 2003
14
jesus CHRIST
Oct 27th 2003
19
... but the princess is in another castle!
Oct 26th 2003
16
lol
Oct 27th 2003
20
RE: ... but the princess is in another castle!
Oct 27th 2003
24
I guess I am as jaded as the next guy
Oct 26th 2003
17
*looks to see if monica will be in it*
Oct 26th 2003
18
RE: *looks to see if monica will be in it*
Oct 27th 2003
23
I'll love it
Oct 27th 2003
21
i think that too
Oct 27th 2003
22
Is that Erykah is your avy 3F?
Oct 31st 2003
30
      RE: Is that Erykah is your avy 3F?
Nov 04th 2003
52
up
Oct 30th 2003
25
my crazy theory
Oct 31st 2003
26
have you seen the animatrix?
Oct 31st 2003
27
      RE: have you seen the animatrix?
Oct 31st 2003
31
trinity is the architect
Oct 31st 2003
28
gonna be on some total recall shit
Oct 31st 2003
29
Actually, that sounds kind've interesting
Nov 01st 2003
32
interesting scenario.
Nov 04th 2003
55
I noticed something about the outdoor realworld scene
Nov 01st 2003
33
Neo will die...
Nov 01st 2003
34
RE: I saw it
Nov 02nd 2003
36
Neo was just using some of his product
Nov 02nd 2003
37
RE: Can Trinity Not be A Punk in this One?!?!?
Nov 03rd 2003
39
Does look like the humans have a chance?
Nov 03rd 2003
40
mopheus is gonna die
Nov 03rd 2003
41
Even lamer than the second
Nov 03rd 2003
42
you peeped it?
Nov 03rd 2003
43
      Naw, guy
Nov 03rd 2003
45
           RE: Naw, guy
Nov 04th 2003
53
It will probably be matrix-within-a-matrix
Nov 03rd 2003
44
So far, the reviews have not been kind.
Nov 03rd 2003
46
Heads up on your avy
Nov 04th 2003
54
Haha Rolling Stone review
Nov 03rd 2003
47
yea but rolling stones also called bubba sparxxx
Nov 04th 2003
50
i am loving all the reviews
Nov 03rd 2003
48
RE: i am loving all the reviews
Nov 04th 2003
49
      COFUCKINGSIZZLE
Nov 04th 2003
58
           RE: COFUCKINGSIZZLE
Nov 05th 2003
60
When I was in London, I met the Prop Supervisor..
Nov 04th 2003
51
if what you say is true....
Nov 04th 2003
59
so.. you realize that the "Prop Supervisor"..
Nov 06th 2003
93
"matrix in the matrix": not happining
Nov 04th 2003
56
RE: The Matrix: Revolutions Predictions?
Nov 05th 2003
61
I saw it...........
Nov 05th 2003
62
RE: I saw it...........
Nov 05th 2003
63
      you got it complete wrong!
Nov 05th 2003
64
      RE: you got it complete wrong!
Nov 05th 2003
65
           whatever "cypher"
Nov 05th 2003
66
                RE: whatever "cypher"
Nov 05th 2003
75
      i like your summary ...
Nov 05th 2003
67
      RE: i like your summary ...
Nov 05th 2003
76
      I'm no math wizard, but....
Nov 05th 2003
69
           LOL
Nov 06th 2003
91
I saw it...loved it..... seeing it again tomorrow
Nov 05th 2003
68
SAW IT TOO ......
Nov 05th 2003
73
      noah's ark?
Nov 05th 2003
77
           RE: noah's ark?
Nov 05th 2003
84
                RE: noah's ark?
Nov 05th 2003
85
My prediction was right on!
Nov 05th 2003
71
RE: My prediction was right on!
Nov 05th 2003
72
RE: My prediction was right on!
Nov 05th 2003
74
      Oh and one more thing...
Nov 05th 2003
78
           RE: Oh and one more thing...
Nov 05th 2003
80
                RE: Oh and one more thing...
Nov 05th 2003
82
                     RE: Oh and one more thing...
Nov 05th 2003
83
RE: My prediction was right on!
Nov 05th 2003
79
      RE: My prediction was right on!
Nov 05th 2003
81
     
           RE: Thank you, but also...
Nov 06th 2003
87
                RE: Thank you, but also...
Nov 06th 2003
88
                     Great Analysis... This sums it up...
Nov 06th 2003
90
      RE: My prediction was right on!
Nov 06th 2003
94
I Officially Hated it. Trilogy Ruined.
Nov 06th 2003
89
You know...
Nov 06th 2003
97
so, what, NOBODY saw the starship troopers, hulk
Nov 06th 2003
92
Revolutions.
Nov 06th 2003
95
Ditto for me
Nov 06th 2003
96
THAT WAS TRASH
Nov 06th 2003
98
GO SEE ELF!
Nov 06th 2003
99
I WAS THE ONLY ONE IN THE THREAD TO NAIL IT!
Nov 06th 2003
100
I'M WAITING FOR THE DVD BOXSET .....
Nov 06th 2003
101
The crowd booed at the end of this film.
Nov 06th 2003
102
RE: The crowd booed at the end of this film.
Nov 06th 2003
103

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