two lists from amazon.com:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse/-/1T5A283SE40FA/ref%3Dcm%5Fmpemr%5Flm/102-1995302-8019302http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse/-/SGCKRF1YUTY6/ref%3Dcm%5Fmpemr%5Flm/102-1995302-8019302what the fuck is up, in the place to be