>Says who? Who is this guy? From what I can tell, this is
>only the opinion of a guy who is doing a book review.

Well, that's all we have been talking about is opinions...your opinion, my opinion, NOI, Malcolm X, and so on. Opinions, i.e. positions, are only opinions. I respect some of them but I take few of them seriously.

>That is nothing new. The NOI has always had numerous
>individuals serving in varying capacities of leadership. But
>Elijah was one the one who issued the top level orders that
>superceded all others and were to be followed by all in the
>NOI. This was up until his time of death. These "leaders"
>took orders from Elijah just like everybody else in the NOI.

Is this fact or merely another opinion...in other words how do you know this to be true?

>Provided a link to what; to show what; to prove what?

COINTELPRO

"Karl Evanzz, a staff writer for the Washington Post, researched more than 300,000 pages of declassified FBI and CIA documents for his book, The Judas Factor. In its introduction he states, "After analyzing these resources, I am convinced that Louis E. Lomax, an industrious African-American journalist who befriended Malcolm X in the late 1950's, had practically solved the riddle of his assassination." He believed that Malcolm X was set up for the assassination by a former friend, John Ali, who was an agent/informer for an intelligence agency. Malcolm X had previously commented that Ali had been responsible for his ouster from the NOI. Ali eventually rose to the position of National Secretary of the NOI. Lomax was later killed in an automobile accident (due to brake failure)." - http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spies/assassins/malcolm_x/4.html

The article goes on to claim that "government and law enforcement agencies planted infiltrators in the OAAU, NOI and almost all of the other civil rights movement organizations. Some of these agent/informers were highly placed."

Now let's go back read what I wrote:
"NOI do not do anything without a directive. Even if they had been working for the FBI they could not have just acted on their own. My point is that the assassins were getting directives from the FBI and NOI. It was the same directive."

Logic would follow that directives coming from highly placed agents within the NOI would lead to a similar outcome as the very organization that planted those agents in the first place. I just don't buy that Elijah Muhammad was the only one giving directives within the NOI. Of course, this is just my opinion.

>So do you believe that EM was deliberately and conscioulsly
>working with the FBI?

See above.

>To hire someone; to give somone a job who hadn't done anything
>wrong, is that fishy to me??? Nahhhh. I guess you don't
>believe in hiring the innocent, huh?

There's still some doubt about the guy's innocence. Witnesses provided his name.

>Internallly generated document or old Muhammad Speaks
>newspapers? What?? What documents did he show you "to prove
>his case"?

He did not try to prove anything. He showed me something written by someone named Wallace and other than that I can't recall. I was 16 then...more than half my life ago. However, I do remember that he told me to take whatever I heard with a grain of salt and I do. I am not taking any positions.

>Honestly, I don't have to ask the Mormons anything. Wait a
>minute...why would you want me to ask the Mormons?

Because polygamy is illegal.

>Below is an excerpt from Elijah Muhammad's publication,
>Message to the Blackman in America, in the chapter, "Islam for
>so-called Negroes (p. 82):
>
>"...The main principles of action in Islam: keeping up
>prayer, spending in the cause of truth, fasting especially
>during the month of Ramadan, pilgrimage to Mecca..."

But why do these things? You don't just do them blindly because someone said so...do you? I don't.

>What all came together for him during Hajj??

I already posted that quote from Shabazz.

>Hajj, like many other ceremonial practices of various
>religions is just a ritual. It has nothing to do with how you
>live and practice what you preach on a daily basis.

Then that is a shame (or sham) like most religious activities IMO.

>I guess you missed my point. Many try to accuse EM of not
>teaching "True Islam" because he based it in Blackness, and
>took a nationalistic approach with it. They will point out
>how Islamic Arabs claim that this type of teaching is not
>Islam. I was pointing out that many who try to take this
>stance against EM and the NOI need to look at how the Arabs
>have used Islam in a non-race based, non-nationalistic way in
>the Sudan with their treatment of Black people (strong sarcasm
>here).

Okay.

>I respect all religions, in theory; too bad most of 'em are
>not truly, properly carried out in practice.

I agree, esp. that religion and politics are horrible bedfellows.

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