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65. "RE: Here we go..."
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Thu Jun-08-06 12:00 AM by Nettrice

  

          

>E.M.'s health had been an issue for a long time but it didn't
>stop him from commanding his position as leader of the N.O.I.

I mentioned above that one of my mentors was in the NOI and left when Shabazz was murdered. By that time Muhammad was a figurehead and, yes, you can whittle to nothing in 10 years or more. I've seen that firsthand.

>The people who pulled the trigger WERE Black and I never said
>that they were not. But I'ma let you in on a secret sis.
>*leans closer* You listening? *whisper begins* The FBI
>recruits and hires Black people to obtain information from
>Black people and to disrupt positive, progressive activities
>of Black organizations. *whisper ends*

No need to whisper. I already mentioned COINTELPRO.

>So yes, Black people were the puppets that were seen pulling
>the trigger, but who was the puppeteer?

So are you denying that some of the assassins were not from No. 25?

>Note: initially, it was reported that 5 men were
>involved in Malcolm's assassination, but only 3 stood trial
>and out of thos 3, only one had anything to do with the
>assassination. What do you think of that?

Like a witness protection program it was part of the deal.

>In the mean time, you can chew on the links below to tide you
>over until you get a hold of the above referenced literature:
>
>http://www.leftgatekeepers.com/articles/WhoEliminatedMalcolmXByBobFeldman.htm
>
>http://partners.nytimes.com/library/film/022193lee-malcolm-book.html

Well, here's a couple for you:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/71838.stm

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/9929,noel,7168,5.html

Very fishy.

>Well, that's fine; but honestly Malcolm didn't fully know at
>the time how heavy he was being watched nor did he understand
>the extent to which the imperialist forces were making moves
>on him.

I disagree. He KNEW. Even Betty Shabazz knew.

>Maybe so; hell, probably so. But to what extent this
>courruption was prevealent and manifesting itself is the
>question.

My mentor was a teenager in the NOI at the time of Shabazz' death. He claims even he knew what was up and that was why he left. He showed me documents to prove his case, too.

>Honestly, Malcolm didn't "chose to leave the NOI", he was put
>out or should I say constructively removed from the
>orgainzation.

Shabazz was silenced for a time but not put out. He left because I do believe he knew he was destined to take the cause to the global stage...and he became aware of corruption within the NOI.

>I don't know what this "true Muslim" talk is about. What
>makes what some damn Arabs have more valid than the means of
>religious expression that Black people have?

From http://www.colostate.edu/Orgs/MSA/find_more/m_x.html:

"On March 12, 1964, impelled by internal jealousy within the Nation of Islam and revelations of Elijah Muhammad's sexual immorality, Malcolm left the Nation of Islam with the intention of starting his own organization:

I feel like a man who has been asleep somewhat and under someone else's control. I feel what I'm thinking and saying now is for myself. Before, it was for and by guidance of another, now I think with my own mind.

Malcolm was thirty-eight years old when he left Elijah Muhammad's Nation of Islam. Reflecting on reflects that occurred prior to leaving, he said:

At one or another college or university, usually in the informal gatherings after I had spoken, perhaps a dozen generally white-complexioned people would come up to me, identifying themselves as Arabian, Middle Eastern or North African Muslims who happened to be visiting, studying, or living in the United States. They had said to me that, my white-indicting statements notwithstanding, they felt I was sincere in considering myself a Muslim -- and they felt if I was exposed to what they always called "true Islam," I would "understand it, and embrace it." Automatically, as a follower of Elijah, I had bridled whenever this was said. But in the privacy of my own thoughts after several of these experiences, I did question myself: if one was sincere in professing a religion, why should he balk at broadening his knowledge of that religion?

Those orthodox Muslims whom I had met, one after another, had urged me to meet and talk with a Dr. Mahmoud Youssef Shawarbi. . . . Then one day Dr. Shawarbi and I were introduced by a newspaperman. He was cordial. He said he had followed me in the press; I said I had been told of him, and we talked for fifteen or twenty minutes. We both had to leave to make appointments we had, when he dropped on me something whose logic never would get out of my head. He said, "No man has believed perfectly until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself."

...

"The pilgrimage to Mecca, known as the Hajj, is a religious obligation that every orthodox Muslim fulfills, if able, at least once in his or her lifetime.

The Holy Quran says it, "Pilgrimage to the House is a duty men owe to God; those who are able, make the journey." (3: 97)

Allah said: "And proclaim the pilgrimage among men; they will come to you on foot and upon each lean camel, they will come from every deep ravine" (22:27).

Every one of the thousands at the airport, about to leave for Jeddah, was dressed this way. You could be a king or a peasant and no on e would know. Some powerful personages, who were discreetly pointed out to me, had on the same thing I had on. Once thus dressed, we all had begun intermittently calling out "Labbayka! (Allahumma) Labbayka!" (Here I come, O Lord!) Packed in the plane were white, black, brown, red, and yellow people, blue eyes and blond hair, and my kinky red hair -- all together, brothers! All honoring the same God, all in turn giving equal honor to each other. . . ."

Thus true Muslims take the pilgrimage to Mecca, according to the Quran and meet in fellowship with other Musilms there to practice the rituals detailed in the Holy Book.

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

  

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So I'm crying, watching Malcolm X [View all] , Nettrice, Thu Jun-23-11 11:56 AM
 
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I just caught it for the first time too.
Jun 04th 2006
1
read his autobiography penned by Alex Haley
Jun 04th 2006
2
Will do.
Jun 04th 2006
4
RE: Will do.
Jun 04th 2006
7
Interesting.
Jun 04th 2006
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      RE: Interesting.
Jun 04th 2006
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           RE: Interesting.
Jun 04th 2006
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                RE: Interesting.
Jun 04th 2006
13
yeah alex haley the author of roots
Jun 04th 2006
9
I'm getting this book when I get a chance.
Jun 04th 2006
10
Just in case you were still wondering...
Jun 06th 2006
55
one of the only books I ever read front to back and thoroughly
Jun 05th 2006
19
      I looked for it today but couldn't find it.
Jun 05th 2006
40
RE: I just caught it for the first time too.
Jun 04th 2006
5
same here mayn
Jun 04th 2006
3
RE: same here mayn
Jun 04th 2006
6
auuuugh that fucking Sam Cooke part
Jun 05th 2006
16
me and you both
Jun 12th 2006
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RE: same here mayn
Jun 05th 2006
18
and he's so optimistic...
Jun 05th 2006
36
That part got my mom too
Jun 11th 2006
82
"if you black and don't like this movie
Jun 04th 2006
14
It's so damn flawed, like most Spike movies........
Jun 05th 2006
15
I feel ya pain man...hearing the Euology at the end
Jun 05th 2006
17
I'm showing it to my students this summer
Jun 05th 2006
20
Very good
Jun 05th 2006
21
      I'm leaning towards showing the movie after we read the book
Jun 05th 2006
26
      yea you should do that.
Jun 05th 2006
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      Question:
Jun 06th 2006
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           My answer
Jun 06th 2006
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           Because Malcom was evolving into a leader that would of
Jun 11th 2006
79
Its a masterpiece. Everytime I watch it over and over again....
Jun 05th 2006
22
I get too emotional to watch it over and over
Jun 05th 2006
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      RE: I get too emotional to watch it over and over
Jun 05th 2006
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           RE: I get too emotional to watch it over and over
Jun 05th 2006
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none with that same power and depth, no.
Jun 05th 2006
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RE: So I'm crying, watching Malcolm X
Jun 05th 2006
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Thanks.
Jun 05th 2006
25
me and the lady watched it Sunday morning too
Jun 05th 2006
27
RE: me and the lady watched it Sunday morning too
May 07th 2007
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so my roommate....
Jun 05th 2006
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If you guys watch the movies
Jun 05th 2006
37
what flaws do people have with it?
Jun 05th 2006
32
the movies length and the musical elements are the ones i hear most
Jun 05th 2006
33
It doesn't feel that long and the music was great. The songs and...
Jun 05th 2006
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      take it up with the people that have a problem with it.
Jun 06th 2006
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           I don't have a problem with it. I know its a good movie. But because...
Jun 06th 2006
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                i love the movie, but this...
Jun 06th 2006
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gross simplification
Jun 05th 2006
35
I didn't know Baldwin had anything to do with the film...
May 07th 2007
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I remember critics
Jun 05th 2006
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Most critics believe the everything about the film is the director's res...
May 07th 2007
95
well, some of the factual errors are glaring
Jun 05th 2006
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My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
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      RE: My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
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           RE: My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
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                RE: My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
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                     RE: My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
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                          RE: My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
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                               Wait a minute...
Jun 06th 2006
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                                    RE: Wait a minute...
Jun 06th 2006
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                                         Ahaaah!
Jun 06th 2006
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                                              Good response
Jun 06th 2006
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                                              Here we go...
Jun 07th 2006
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                                                   RE: Here we go...
Jun 07th 2006
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                                                   RE: Here we go...
Jun 07th 2006
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                                                             RE: Here we go...
Jun 09th 2006
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                                                                  Power of nightmares
Jun 09th 2006
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                                                                       RE: Power of nightmares
Jun 11th 2006
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                                                                            RE: Power of nightmares
Jun 12th 2006
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                                                   Interesting...
Jun 07th 2006
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                                                        RE: Interesting...
Jun 07th 2006
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                                                             Now here goes the marathon. lol....
Jun 08th 2006
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                                                                  This part
Jun 08th 2006
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                                                                  Did you see "Malcolm X" the documentary with James Earl Jones...
Jun 08th 2006
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                                                                       Nope didn't see it
Jun 08th 2006
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                                                                            I'll post a clip of it later this evening.
Jun 08th 2006
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                                                                                 Cool
Jun 08th 2006
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                                                                                      Pefect Timing, my friend...
Jun 08th 2006
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                                                                                      Thanks so much!
Jun 08th 2006
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                                                                  No need for marathons...
Jun 11th 2006
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                                                                       No marathon. More like the Tour De France. lol
Jun 11th 2006
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                                                                            if i may add on to this convo
Jun 11th 2006
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                                                                            this was probably the best exchange
May 06th 2007
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                                                                                 indeed...that was quite a discussion
May 06th 2007
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WE AGREE ON SOMETHING! :)
Jun 07th 2006
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I disagree that we agree
Jun 07th 2006
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In the movie, Malcolm actually had the right numbers
Jun 08th 2006
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I broke down too and reading the book you see many things
Jun 09th 2006
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X was just a damn good movie, period
Jun 11th 2006
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I cant even front........
Jun 12th 2006
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now i always tear up when i hear "A Change Gonna Come"
May 06th 2007
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Has anyone actually read "One day when I was lost"?
May 07th 2007
91
I read it years ago during my serious Baldwin phase
May 08th 2007
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just saw this this week for the first time.
May 07th 2007
93
My biggest fear about the film came alive in front of me...
May 07th 2007
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RE: My biggest fear about the film came alive in front of me...
May 08th 2007
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RE: excellent film
May 08th 2007
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i usually dont like posting in long posts, but movie blows
May 08th 2007
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THe movie was great tho and it gets people to read the book
May 08th 2007
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      i think the
May 09th 2007
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May 09th 2007
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man, too true
May 09th 2007
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archive?
May 09th 2007
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RE: archive?
May 09th 2007
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