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61. "RE: Here we go..."
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>>I can't speak to individuals, but I know that the official
>>word from Elijah Muhammad was to leave Malcolm alone. It is
>>well known that the organization had more than its fair
>share
>>of zealots who were unhappy with Malcolm, viewed him as a
>>traitor, and thought that he should be dealt with, but that
>>doesn't speak to the head of the organization, because the
>>official word was to leave him alone.
>
>I'll jump in and say that another thing about the NOI at that
>time was that Elijah Muhammad's health was failing. He was no
>longer able to speak for the organization and keep an eye on
>activities within the Nation. This was also shown in the
>film.
>

E.M.'s health had been an issue for a long time but it didn't stop him from commanding his position as leader of the N.O.I. As a matter of fact, he was around for 10 years after Malcolm was assassinated. Does that sound like a man who had wittled away to nothing? I know, I know..."but the movie showed Elijah Muhammad coughing and looking real bad so I assumed..." I understand.


>My colleagues grandfather was in the Audobon ballroom at the
>time of Shabazz' death and she told me that everyone there saw
>who killed him. COINTELPRO may have been behind the murder
>but the people with the guns were Black...from No. 25 in
>Newark.
>

The people who pulled the trigger WERE Black and I never said that they were not. But I'ma let you in on a secret sis. *leans closer* You listening? *whisper begins* The FBI recruits and hires Black people to obtain information from Black people and to disrupt positive, progressive activities of Black organizations. *whisper ends*

So yes, Black people were the puppets that were seen pulling the trigger, but who was the puppeteer?

Did you know that out of the 5 guys who were seen conducting the assassination of Malcolm X, only one guy actually stood trial for Malcolm's murder. Actually, 3 stood trial, but only one (i.e., Talmadge Hayer) was actually an assassin. The other 2 who were standing trial, as Hayer testified, were not even at the Audobon the day Malcolm was killed. But they were standing trial for Malcolm's death. What happened to the other 4 men? Note: initially, it was reported that 5 men were involved in Malcolm's assassination, but only 3 stood trial and out of thos 3, only one had anything to do with the assassination. What do you think of that?

If you don't believe me? Well check the book, "The Assassination of Malcolm X", by George Breitman and "Conspiracy: Unraveling the Assasination of Malcolm X" by Baba Zak Kondo.

In the mean time, you can chew on the links below to tide you over until you get a hold of the above referenced literature:

http://www.leftgatekeepers.com/articles/WhoEliminatedMalcolmXByBobFeldman.htm

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/film/022193lee-malcolm-book.html

Maybe they will provide some insight into what I've been talking about.

Sis. please note that I am courteous and thoughtful enough to provide references for my position, unlike SOME posters who just say, "Do the research", but don't provide any references at all. (Honestly, that makes me wonder if they know what the hell they are talking about).

>>Who are you saying bombed his house? The NOI? How do you
>>know this?
>
>I tend to go with what Malcolm X said publicly about it.

Well, that's fine; but honestly Malcolm didn't fully know at the time how heavy he was being watched nor did he understand the extent to which the imperialist forces were making moves on him. It may've seemed most apparent that it was the N.O.I. because they had the public beef, but Malcolm really didn't know how badly the US and the (former) colonial powers wanted him eliminated.

It may've been some members of the Nation, it may not have been. Who knows? I know that I don't; I'm sure that Malcolm didn't really know; he just suspected.



>
>>We are a flawed people with many, many problems and anytime
>we
>>attempt to get together on anything, there is a destructive
>>mechanism that tends to take place (some identify it as the
>>"Willie Lynch chip") that blocks us from gelling completely
>>and often things turn out to be a total mess.
>
>Who isn't flawed? I also don't believe that there is a chip
>that makes us unable to make progress. I do believe that
>there is conditioning and that is something that can be dealt
>with.

Sis. that conditioning that you're speaking of is what some refer to as "the Willie Lynch chip". I personally don't believe in the story of Willie Lynch giving a speech to slave masters some 300 years ago that gave them all the secrets to keeping negroes down. But that conditioning you speak of is the same as "the chip" to which I was referring.


>
>>I don't deny
>>that we, as a people, have problems; but I also realize that
>>this is not something that is inherent in us. It is the
>>result of centuries of outside forces conditioning us and
>>influencing us. I acknowledge that.
>
>However, I believe that at the time of Shabazz' death the NOI
>was co-opted and corrupt...from the top down. This has
>nothing to do with Black people.
>

Maybe so; hell, probably so. But to what extent this courruption was prevealent and manifesting itself is the question.


>>At the same time, I can not turn a blind eye and ignore when
>>we have been deliberately and blatantly been fucked with.
>>Malcolm's murder was the result one of these instances of us
>>being deliberately and blatantly being fucked with by
>>outsiders who obviously did not and do not have our best
>>interest at heart.
>
>Yes but some Black folks chose to go along. It was a choice
>just as Malcolm X chose to leave the NOI and become a true
>Muslim.

Honestly, Malcolm didn't "chose to leave the NOI", he was put out or should I say constructively removed from the orgainzation. I don't like that he was put out, but that's how it went down (I know, I know, I know...the movie didn't present it like that, right? But that was actually the case.

I don't know what this "true Muslim" talk is about. What makes what some damn Arabs have more valid than the means of religious expression that Black people have?

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So I'm crying, watching Malcolm X [View all] , Nettrice, Thu Jun-23-11 11:56 AM
 
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I just caught it for the first time too.
Jun 04th 2006
1
read his autobiography penned by Alex Haley
Jun 04th 2006
2
Will do.
Jun 04th 2006
4
RE: Will do.
Jun 04th 2006
7
Interesting.
Jun 04th 2006
8
      RE: Interesting.
Jun 04th 2006
11
           RE: Interesting.
Jun 04th 2006
12
                RE: Interesting.
Jun 04th 2006
13
yeah alex haley the author of roots
Jun 04th 2006
9
I'm getting this book when I get a chance.
Jun 04th 2006
10
Just in case you were still wondering...
Jun 06th 2006
55
one of the only books I ever read front to back and thoroughly
Jun 05th 2006
19
      I looked for it today but couldn't find it.
Jun 05th 2006
40
RE: I just caught it for the first time too.
Jun 04th 2006
5
same here mayn
Jun 04th 2006
3
RE: same here mayn
Jun 04th 2006
6
auuuugh that fucking Sam Cooke part
Jun 05th 2006
16
me and you both
Jun 12th 2006
87
RE: same here mayn
Jun 05th 2006
18
and he's so optimistic...
Jun 05th 2006
36
That part got my mom too
Jun 11th 2006
82
"if you black and don't like this movie
Jun 04th 2006
14
It's so damn flawed, like most Spike movies........
Jun 05th 2006
15
I feel ya pain man...hearing the Euology at the end
Jun 05th 2006
17
I'm showing it to my students this summer
Jun 05th 2006
20
Very good
Jun 05th 2006
21
      I'm leaning towards showing the movie after we read the book
Jun 05th 2006
26
      yea you should do that.
Jun 05th 2006
38
      Question:
Jun 06th 2006
42
           My answer
Jun 06th 2006
44
           Because Malcom was evolving into a leader that would of
Jun 11th 2006
79
Its a masterpiece. Everytime I watch it over and over again....
Jun 05th 2006
22
I get too emotional to watch it over and over
Jun 05th 2006
29
      RE: I get too emotional to watch it over and over
Jun 05th 2006
30
           RE: I get too emotional to watch it over and over
Jun 05th 2006
31
none with that same power and depth, no.
Jun 05th 2006
23
RE: So I'm crying, watching Malcolm X
Jun 05th 2006
24
Thanks.
Jun 05th 2006
25
me and the lady watched it Sunday morning too
Jun 05th 2006
27
RE: me and the lady watched it Sunday morning too
May 07th 2007
92
so my roommate....
Jun 05th 2006
28
If you guys watch the movies
Jun 05th 2006
37
what flaws do people have with it?
Jun 05th 2006
32
the movies length and the musical elements are the ones i hear most
Jun 05th 2006
33
It doesn't feel that long and the music was great. The songs and...
Jun 05th 2006
34
      take it up with the people that have a problem with it.
Jun 06th 2006
49
           I don't have a problem with it. I know its a good movie. But because...
Jun 06th 2006
51
                i love the movie, but this...
Jun 06th 2006
56
gross simplification
Jun 05th 2006
35
I didn't know Baldwin had anything to do with the film...
May 07th 2007
94
I remember critics
Jun 05th 2006
39
Most critics believe the everything about the film is the director's res...
May 07th 2007
95
well, some of the factual errors are glaring
Jun 05th 2006
41
My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
43
      RE: My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
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           RE: My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
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                RE: My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
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                     RE: My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
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                          RE: My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
50
                               Wait a minute...
Jun 06th 2006
52
                                    RE: Wait a minute...
Jun 06th 2006
53
                                         Ahaaah!
Jun 06th 2006
54
                                              Good response
Jun 06th 2006
57
                                              Here we go...
Jun 07th 2006
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                                                   RE: Here we go...
Jun 07th 2006
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                                                        RE: Here we go...
Jun 07th 2006
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                                                             RE: Here we go...
Jun 09th 2006
76
                                                                  Power of nightmares
Jun 09th 2006
77
                                                                       RE: Power of nightmares
Jun 11th 2006
83
                                                                            RE: Power of nightmares
Jun 12th 2006
85
                                                   Interesting...
Jun 07th 2006
60
                                                        RE: Interesting...
Jun 07th 2006
63
                                                             Now here goes the marathon. lol....
Jun 08th 2006
66
                                                                  This part
Jun 08th 2006
67
                                                                  Did you see "Malcolm X" the documentary with James Earl Jones...
Jun 08th 2006
68
                                                                       Nope didn't see it
Jun 08th 2006
69
                                                                            I'll post a clip of it later this evening.
Jun 08th 2006
70
                                                                                 Cool
Jun 08th 2006
72
                                                                                      Pefect Timing, my friend...
Jun 08th 2006
73
                                                                                      Thanks so much!
Jun 08th 2006
74
                                                                  No need for marathons...
Jun 11th 2006
78
                                                                       No marathon. More like the Tour De France. lol
Jun 11th 2006
80
                                                                            if i may add on to this convo
Jun 11th 2006
84
                                                                            this was probably the best exchange
May 06th 2007
88
                                                                                 indeed...that was quite a discussion
May 06th 2007
90
WE AGREE ON SOMETHING! :)
Jun 07th 2006
62
I disagree that we agree
Jun 07th 2006
64
In the movie, Malcolm actually had the right numbers
Jun 08th 2006
71
I broke down too and reading the book you see many things
Jun 09th 2006
75
X was just a damn good movie, period
Jun 11th 2006
81
I cant even front........
Jun 12th 2006
86
now i always tear up when i hear "A Change Gonna Come"
May 06th 2007
89
Has anyone actually read "One day when I was lost"?
May 07th 2007
91
I read it years ago during my serious Baldwin phase
May 08th 2007
101
just saw this this week for the first time.
May 07th 2007
93
My biggest fear about the film came alive in front of me...
May 07th 2007
96
RE: My biggest fear about the film came alive in front of me...
May 08th 2007
97
RE: excellent film
May 08th 2007
102
i usually dont like posting in long posts, but movie blows
May 08th 2007
99
THe movie was great tho and it gets people to read the book
May 08th 2007
100
      i think the
May 09th 2007
105
     
May 09th 2007
104
man, too true
May 09th 2007
106
archive?
May 09th 2007
108
RE: archive?
May 09th 2007
109

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