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54. "Ahaaah!"
In response to In response to 53
Tue Jun-06-06 03:54 PM by jambone

  

          

>>>>Huh? I don't know how you misled when Spike made the
>>>movie.
>>>
>>>My point was that I don't think it was Lee's intention to
>>>mislead people. He's an "artist" and produced art/his
>>>interpretation.
>>>
>>
>>Where did he mislead the people?
>
>The misleading part is where he casually and not so subtley
>(sp?) allowed the finger to pointed at other Black ppl as
>being responsible for the murder of MX. This contributes more
>to the old divide and conquer tactic.
>

No it doesn't it all. You are fishing. Did you notice the people following him when he travelled overseas in the movie? Or were they just two arbitrary white guys sent by NOI? Come on. Or how about the phone tapping of his phones by these 2 white guys in the movie? Or the part where Malcolm says "its more than just the Nation...".

Divide and conquer? Did the Nation *not* want Malcolm dead? Answer that question? Did Elijah Muhammad junior *no* say he want to cut out Malcolm's toungue and send it to his father? Was the FBI, NYPD, CIA involved? Yes. John Ali was an informant. But they exploited an already existing relationship in which the Nation wanted Malcolm dead. They made attempts on his life and firebombed his house all over nothing but jealousy. Who contributed more to the old divide and conquer, brother? The "gubment" or blacks themeselves. That is what Spike was getting at. Its why he chose to leave that quote of Malcolm in the movie of "n*ggas ruined it". Were there outside forces? Yes. But the heart of the problem existed within the Nation. Not outside of it. THAT is what Spike chose to focus on. The crux of the matter.


>Its a 3 hour movie. Malcolm X
>>lived several lifetimes in 39 1/2 years. There were always
>>going to be things missing that aren't in the movie. I don't
>>understand that criticism.
>
>Agreed. And he could've cut down on some of the non-sense
>jitterbug time at the beginning and inserted a strong
>implication (at the very least) that imperialist interests
>were threatened by MX and his vision and ultimate goal and
>that US Intelligence along with other like agencies in other
>nations were making serious moves to eliminate him.
>

Right, and if he did that, critics would say why did he just cover the latter part of his life? Why did he just cover that aspect? Warner Brothers didn't even want him to give a 3 hr limit? Come on now, you are fishing for straws.

>Instead, Spike leaves the viewer with the impression of this
>being just simply another case of Black on Black violence.
>And MX's murder was much bigger than that.
>


Yes it was. But it doesn't ingnore the fact that his own brothers wanted him canceled for no reason but their own jealousy of his power.

>
>>
>>This is a great movie to capture Malcolm and his life. Its
>not
>>going to cover every minute detail. It encourages you to
>seek
>>more about Malcolm and learn more about him.
>>
>No doubt. But unfortunately, for the masses, more indepth
>research is not going to occur. So this movie, for all it's
>worth, is going to be their education on and impression of MX.
> This is the sad reality.
>

Is that Spike's fault or the masses?

>
>>Spike can't win with the critics.
>
>When you take on a project like this that involves an ICONIC
>figure like MX, you'd better expect some criticism. I mean,
>it comes with the territory.
>

Really? No matter how great that movie is? I see. lol

>
>Thats what makes Malcolm X
>>the movie even more special. It can't be denied because its
>so
>>good. Sure, the critics will find flaws and nitpick. But
>deep
>>in their hearts they know its a masterpiece. And they can't
>>stand it. lol
>>
>It was a good piece of entertainment that was BASED ON the
>life and times and death of Malcolm X. No more, no less.
>

When did Spike or the marketing department say otherwise. It says right on the DVD package as such.

>>
>>
>

<--- we've got bush!

  

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So I'm crying, watching Malcolm X [View all] , Nettrice, Thu Jun-23-11 11:56 AM
 
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I just caught it for the first time too.
Jun 04th 2006
1
read his autobiography penned by Alex Haley
Jun 04th 2006
2
Will do.
Jun 04th 2006
4
RE: Will do.
Jun 04th 2006
7
Interesting.
Jun 04th 2006
8
      RE: Interesting.
Jun 04th 2006
11
           RE: Interesting.
Jun 04th 2006
12
                RE: Interesting.
Jun 04th 2006
13
yeah alex haley the author of roots
Jun 04th 2006
9
I'm getting this book when I get a chance.
Jun 04th 2006
10
Just in case you were still wondering...
Jun 06th 2006
55
one of the only books I ever read front to back and thoroughly
Jun 05th 2006
19
      I looked for it today but couldn't find it.
Jun 05th 2006
40
RE: I just caught it for the first time too.
Jun 04th 2006
5
same here mayn
Jun 04th 2006
3
RE: same here mayn
Jun 04th 2006
6
auuuugh that fucking Sam Cooke part
Jun 05th 2006
16
me and you both
Jun 12th 2006
87
RE: same here mayn
Jun 05th 2006
18
and he's so optimistic...
Jun 05th 2006
36
That part got my mom too
Jun 11th 2006
82
"if you black and don't like this movie
Jun 04th 2006
14
It's so damn flawed, like most Spike movies........
Jun 05th 2006
15
I feel ya pain man...hearing the Euology at the end
Jun 05th 2006
17
I'm showing it to my students this summer
Jun 05th 2006
20
Very good
Jun 05th 2006
21
      I'm leaning towards showing the movie after we read the book
Jun 05th 2006
26
      yea you should do that.
Jun 05th 2006
38
      Question:
Jun 06th 2006
42
           My answer
Jun 06th 2006
44
           Because Malcom was evolving into a leader that would of
Jun 11th 2006
79
Its a masterpiece. Everytime I watch it over and over again....
Jun 05th 2006
22
I get too emotional to watch it over and over
Jun 05th 2006
29
      RE: I get too emotional to watch it over and over
Jun 05th 2006
30
           RE: I get too emotional to watch it over and over
Jun 05th 2006
31
none with that same power and depth, no.
Jun 05th 2006
23
RE: So I'm crying, watching Malcolm X
Jun 05th 2006
24
Thanks.
Jun 05th 2006
25
me and the lady watched it Sunday morning too
Jun 05th 2006
27
RE: me and the lady watched it Sunday morning too
May 07th 2007
92
so my roommate....
Jun 05th 2006
28
If you guys watch the movies
Jun 05th 2006
37
what flaws do people have with it?
Jun 05th 2006
32
the movies length and the musical elements are the ones i hear most
Jun 05th 2006
33
It doesn't feel that long and the music was great. The songs and...
Jun 05th 2006
34
      take it up with the people that have a problem with it.
Jun 06th 2006
49
           I don't have a problem with it. I know its a good movie. But because...
Jun 06th 2006
51
                i love the movie, but this...
Jun 06th 2006
56
gross simplification
Jun 05th 2006
35
I didn't know Baldwin had anything to do with the film...
May 07th 2007
94
I remember critics
Jun 05th 2006
39
Most critics believe the everything about the film is the director's res...
May 07th 2007
95
well, some of the factual errors are glaring
Jun 05th 2006
41
My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
43
      RE: My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
45
           RE: My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
46
                RE: My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
47
                     RE: My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
48
                          RE: My main problem with the flick is
Jun 06th 2006
50
                               Wait a minute...
Jun 06th 2006
52
                                    RE: Wait a minute...
Jun 06th 2006
53
                                        
                                              Good response
Jun 06th 2006
57
                                              Here we go...
Jun 07th 2006
58
                                                   RE: Here we go...
Jun 07th 2006
59
                                                   RE: Here we go...
Jun 07th 2006
61
                                                        RE: Here we go...
Jun 07th 2006
65
                                                             RE: Here we go...
Jun 09th 2006
76
                                                                  Power of nightmares
Jun 09th 2006
77
                                                                       RE: Power of nightmares
Jun 11th 2006
83
                                                                            RE: Power of nightmares
Jun 12th 2006
85
                                                   Interesting...
Jun 07th 2006
60
                                                        RE: Interesting...
Jun 07th 2006
63
                                                             Now here goes the marathon. lol....
Jun 08th 2006
66
                                                                  This part
Jun 08th 2006
67
                                                                  Did you see "Malcolm X" the documentary with James Earl Jones...
Jun 08th 2006
68
                                                                       Nope didn't see it
Jun 08th 2006
69
                                                                            I'll post a clip of it later this evening.
Jun 08th 2006
70
                                                                                 Cool
Jun 08th 2006
72
                                                                                      Pefect Timing, my friend...
Jun 08th 2006
73
                                                                                      Thanks so much!
Jun 08th 2006
74
                                                                  No need for marathons...
Jun 11th 2006
78
                                                                       No marathon. More like the Tour De France. lol
Jun 11th 2006
80
                                                                            if i may add on to this convo
Jun 11th 2006
84
                                                                            this was probably the best exchange
May 06th 2007
88
                                                                                 indeed...that was quite a discussion
May 06th 2007
90
WE AGREE ON SOMETHING! :)
Jun 07th 2006
62
I disagree that we agree
Jun 07th 2006
64
In the movie, Malcolm actually had the right numbers
Jun 08th 2006
71
I broke down too and reading the book you see many things
Jun 09th 2006
75
X was just a damn good movie, period
Jun 11th 2006
81
I cant even front........
Jun 12th 2006
86
now i always tear up when i hear "A Change Gonna Come"
May 06th 2007
89
Has anyone actually read "One day when I was lost"?
May 07th 2007
91
I read it years ago during my serious Baldwin phase
May 08th 2007
101
just saw this this week for the first time.
May 07th 2007
93
My biggest fear about the film came alive in front of me...
May 07th 2007
96
RE: My biggest fear about the film came alive in front of me...
May 08th 2007
97
RE: excellent film
May 08th 2007
102
i usually dont like posting in long posts, but movie blows
May 08th 2007
99
THe movie was great tho and it gets people to read the book
May 08th 2007
100
      i think the
May 09th 2007
105
     
May 09th 2007
104
man, too true
May 09th 2007
106
archive?
May 09th 2007
108
RE: archive?
May 09th 2007
109

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