...fanservice doesn't bother me, or any of the female fans I know, if there's a lot more going on to make the time wasted worth it. Same goes for cliche' plots.
Both have the usual cliche's up the yin yang but manage to skewer them in ways that make it fun and tell a decent story at the same time. I watched these expecting to not be too impressed and eventually found myself enjoying them quite a bit. Granted, I'm not rushing out to get the dvd's or anything.