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>But did it not also get into the psychological underpinnings >of why Bruce Wayne decided to become Batman? It appears to me >that Nolan is drawing on the graphic novels that delved into >this notion and were at the same time highly praised for their >realism and grit. It's not as if Nolan is the one who took >the cartoonish elements from earlier Batman stories (and the >Burton/Schumacher movies) and drained them of all color, life, >and magic. >
those graphic novels played up Batman's more basic foundation, and did so well for the most part but they didn't act like nothing else existed for him, that's what made them interesting in the first place it's one thing to highlight an aspect of a character and go in that route, but it's another to remove them altogether to make the character 'more real' its just dumb to me
>So, in Nolan's movies, Bruce Wayne's psychosis is not "true to >the core of the character?" Even without reading the graphic >novels that Nolan has relied on, I can tell you that this is >100% bullshit, as is the notion that there's no "wonder." >
I never said any of that so I'm not sure what you're bringing it up for
>Look, if you want bright colors and superpowers and BAM BOOOM >POWs and shit in your comic book movies, just say so. Don't >try to wrap this shit up in "sophisticated" talk about Nolan >not being "true to the core of the character" and >unnamed-but-really-talking-about-me-"people" not being able to >"accept anything the way it is and have to have the wonder >removed from it in order to enjoy it." > >That's pure-dee, unadulterated bullshit. >
yeah too bad that's not what I said and trust me, if I were talking about you, I'd have said your name and while we're on it, the biggest thing about Batman is that he's a detective but both these movies had very little detective work in them
>When I see the Nolan Batmans there's a fundamental >understanding -- without having read one page of the Frank >Miller Batmans -- that you're not going to get the bright and >bubbly, SUPER-POW! BAM!s of the Schumacher movies, or even the >perverse sense of the world from the Burton movies. The very >first movie gave you the psychological reasons why this dude >needed to dress himself up like a freak to fight crime. And >from what I understand, this was covered in the graphic novels >as well. Now, armed with this knowledge, I'm still able to >watch these movies, instead of bitching about the "core of the >character" and "people" who are just enjoying the movies >because they're being contrarian plus Nolan took the fun away >so they like it because of that, or whatever. >
show me where I said the movies weren't fun or that anything about POW and BAM its obvious you missed the fact that this isn't about Batman or the movies, it's about people's insistence on changing shit just to change it and not giving the audience enough credit for being able to bring something of themselves to a film experience its possible to enjoy something without thinking everything about it is perfect not once did I ever say I didn't like the Nolan movies
>I like "fun" (or, at least the way you want to define it, >"Anti-Nolan") comic book movies too. But before I go see them >I'm at least aware of what I'm about to watch. I'm pretty >sure I'm going to enjoy the shit out of The Avengers, because >I know what kind of movie Whedon's going to give me. And I'm >pretty sure that his vision of what the Avengers are is going >to be diametrically opposed to what Nolan's vision of Batman >is. And guess what? I'm probably going to dig the shit outta >The Dark Knight Rises too. >
good for you but you're way off track with what I said
>I mean, really, all you have to say is, "I prefer my comic >book movies to be bright and colorful and super and fun and >shit." That's more honest and to the point.
how about "I prefer my comic book movies to put all a character's strengths to the front of the narrative and not have them be cherrypicked or set aside because the director thinks no one will take it seriously" you took one statement you didn't understand and made a long ass post about shit I never said in the first place
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