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97. "It started off slow, but picked up toward the end considerably."
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The problem with this film's premise (and its future subsequent sequels) is predictability. The audience has (too?) much knowledge as to what will happen, more than with the Star Wars prequels, and ultimately, that could make a boring movie.

'Terminator Salvation' seems to wander a bit in the beginning with a series of action beats that do not do much for the story, however, the character of Marcus Wright keeps the film interesting, as each scene kept me wanting to know more about what he is exactly.

It's when Blair and Marcus finally arrive at Connor's Resistance hideout that the pace picks up, which has a lot to do with Connor realizing that his idea and preparation of what he's supposed to endure is turned on its head, and he faces the dilemma of working with his perceived enemy to save his "father" against destroying Marcus and thus having a lower chance of saving Kyle.

Connor chooses the latter and falls for Skynet's okeydoke to kill Connor and Kyle at the same time, which heightens the unpredictability factor of the flick. The final fight between Connor, the T-800, and Marcus is suspenseful, especially given its conclusion, by which allows Marcus to redeem himself against his objective to infiltrate the Resistance and set up Skynet to kill Connor and Kyle.

Overall, I'd give the movie 7.5-8/10. What hurts the film is its slow pace in the beginning, but in addition to what happens after that (what I enjoyed), I think that:

- The T-800's introduction was very well-done. It's easily the best I've seen of both imposition-of-heads-on-another-body effects and CGI de-aging.

- The fact that molten steel did not destroy the T-800 was an interesting switch from what the audience may have perceived about 'T2'. Does that mean that some (if not all) of the T-800 remained intact enough to make the Judgment Day seen in 'T3' possible? Did Cyberdyne retain enough info about the original microchip that its destruction was inconsequential? Was this T-800 simply an improvement over the models used from 'T2'? Answering these questions in some form in the sequel(s) would be good.

- Kyle not being killed immediately was bad writing, until I realized that if Skynet did so, Connor probably would have agreed with Resistance HQ to bomb Skynet HQ, which probably wouldn't have worked anyway since Skynet had the HQ pinpointed for termination. Also, to clear up why Kyle was targeted above Connor, I believe that may have to do with Cyberdyne knowing that Kyle helped to prevent the first T-800 from killing Sarah Connor from either the 'T1' or 'T2' (if it did survive the molten steel) microchip, and so killing him first would provide Skynet with a fail-safe plan: if they kill Connor in the "present", that's good, but if they have to resort to going to the past to terminate him, it's improbable that anyone else would protect Sarah Connor as well as Kyle did (not to mention that Kyle is his "father" and is younger and maybe easier to kill).

- Even though John Connor says, "The only fate is what we make," the end result of each of these movies is that what is told to happen, does happen. In 'T1', Sarah Connor still becomes pregnant with John Connor (by a different father than the initial timeline?), in 'T3', the nuclear holocaust still happens after crisis was only postponed due to 'T2', and in 'T4', Connor still survives, seemingly attains a higher rank in the Resistance, meets Kyle Reese, gets his scars, and scores a large victory against Skynet. 'T2' is the anomaly in that it seems closed-ended, especially if you'd seen the alternate ending during the film's theatrical release (Judgment Day is averted indefinitely, John Connor becomes a Senator) (though the ride at Universal Studios may kill that), but since these movies follow the same continuity, maybe those questions I asked receive "yes" as an answer or the fate of John Connor and the world is simply inevitable.

- Anton Yelchin did a good job as a young Kyle Reese, but Jonathan Jackson (Kyle Reese from 'Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles') is a dead ringer for Michael Biehn in both look and vocals. I know that the TV series probably doesn't follow the film's continuity, but I think if Jackson plays the older Kyle Reese in the rest of these movies, the films as a whole would connect more smoothly (unless they can get Biehn to play him again with the CGI de-aging effects they used on Arnold).

I'm excited about what direction they'll take the sequels in to keep them from being predictable. I hear that Robert Patrick may return to explore the creation of the T-1000. One thing that I hope is explained is how the T-800 ages when the Resistance uses it.

  

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Terminator: Salvation [View all] , Frank Longo, Wed May-20-09 09:39 PM
 
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hyped but not too much...
May 20th 2009
1
The reviews seem on the same page.
May 21st 2009
2
I'm looking forward to this more than...
May 21st 2009
3
Action sequences were good (spoilers)
May 21st 2009
4
won't find any terminators imitating her voice
May 21st 2009
5
cosign the references.
May 21st 2009
16
i thought it was pretty awful and on par w/ the poor reviews i saw (SPOI...
May 21st 2009
6
Terminator: Hot Garbage
May 21st 2009
7
speaking of Moon Bloodgood...
May 21st 2009
8
      so native american or kids of hippy parents arent hot now?
May 21st 2009
10
OH GOOD FOR YOOOOOOOOOOOU!!!!!!
May 21st 2009
9
LOL
May 21st 2009
11
So I just got back from the theatre and...
May 21st 2009
12
RE: Terminator: Salvation
May 21st 2009
13
RE: Terminator: Salvation
May 21st 2009
14
RE: Terminator: Salvation
May 22nd 2009
28
Not feeling Bryce Dallas Howard? lol.
May 21st 2009
15
she was better as a blonde
May 21st 2009
17
      lol, I liked her better as a blind red head personally.
May 21st 2009
20
9 Dirty earth but clean teeth. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
May 22nd 2009
26
got progressively worse
May 21st 2009
18
For as weak as Terminator 3 was...
May 21st 2009
21
      T3 was OK for what it was.
May 21st 2009
22
why is shit just always randomly on fire in the future
May 21st 2009
19
I give it a B(spoilers)
May 22nd 2009
23
Maybe Terry Crews is a big fan of the franchise and...
May 22nd 2009
24
can't argue with that reasoning
May 22nd 2009
36
RE: I give it a B(spoilers)
May 22nd 2009
29
Compared to the Sarah Conners Chronicles it was C-R-A-P!
May 22nd 2009
25
It was fun, and the beginning was really good... but...
May 22nd 2009
27
Not one element of this movie made sense.
May 22nd 2009
30
Clearly an over reaction.
May 22nd 2009
31
Name one thing in the movie that made any sense.
May 22nd 2009
32
      You're still over reacting, lol.
May 22nd 2009
37
           Not liking the movie isn't overreacting.
May 22nd 2009
39
                bingo
May 22nd 2009
40
                And this isn't the least bit contradictory?
May 22nd 2009
42
                     Poorly worded on my part but not contradictory.
May 22nd 2009
45
                     Fair enough.
May 22nd 2009
48
                     RE: And this isn't the least bit contradictory?
May 22nd 2009
58
lol
May 22nd 2009
35
it sucked...and too many cotdamn explosions
May 22nd 2009
33
Christian Bale did sound alot like Batman, lol.
May 22nd 2009
38
It was ok, not great (spoilers obviously)
May 22nd 2009
34
It's DOPE!
May 22nd 2009
41
time travel spoiler
May 22nd 2009
43
huh?
May 22nd 2009
44
      The reason for Carter
May 22nd 2009
46
           that ending would of fit.
May 22nd 2009
47
                It's like a Hip-Hop album with too many features...
May 22nd 2009
49
                "would have" not "would of"
May 24th 2009
86
How the hell does Skynet know Kyle Reese is the father anyway?
May 22nd 2009
50
They must have watched the first Terminator film.
May 22nd 2009
51
      I can't wrap my head around it
May 22nd 2009
52
           I'm affraid your answer will rely on different timelines.
May 22nd 2009
55
Not a bad action summer flick. Must know one thing though...
May 22nd 2009
53
RE: Not a bad action summer flick. Must know one thing though...
May 23rd 2009
77
RE: Not a bad action summer flick. Must know one thing though...
May 26th 2009
102
      RE: Not a bad action summer flick. Must know one thing though...
May 30th 2009
138
Shit was 10x better than Wolverine...
May 22nd 2009
54
A C+. It was pointless plot-wise and didn't have ENOUGH action.
May 22nd 2009
56
what's funny is that...
May 22nd 2009
57
so THAT's what happened =\
May 22nd 2009
59
      yea like if he was to be executed...
May 23rd 2009
61
twas ok...
May 22nd 2009
60
Boring and mediocre
May 23rd 2009
62
SEES THIS...
May 23rd 2009
70
i liked it
May 23rd 2009
63
RE: i liked it
May 23rd 2009
78
shit was OK, but the story, plot, and acting were mediocre
May 23rd 2009
64
also, the whole time travel shit just gets very convoluted and dumb
May 23rd 2009
65
that's the real question.
May 23rd 2009
66
There's a strict one Terminator at a time rule, apparently.
May 23rd 2009
67
RE: also, the whole time travel shit just gets very convoluted and dumb
May 23rd 2009
69
I guess a better question would be this:
May 23rd 2009
76
      *head explodes*
May 24th 2009
80
           LMAO...ditto...
May 24th 2009
82
no time travel in this one
May 24th 2009
84
*shrugs*
May 23rd 2009
68
not very good
May 23rd 2009
71
Y'all spaztics are hyper-analyzing this joint..
May 23rd 2009
72
no.
May 23rd 2009
74
And there we have it!
May 23rd 2009
75
RE: better than wolverine
May 23rd 2009
73
a terd on a stick would be better than Wolverine
May 24th 2009
81
      eh, not really.
May 24th 2009
83
This movie could have been sooo much better...
May 24th 2009
79
plot hole # 2
May 24th 2009
85
just focus on the shit getting blown up
May 25th 2009
88
that was me...
May 25th 2009
91
      agree with everything you said
May 25th 2009
96
RE: plot hole # 2
May 31st 2009
141
not explained in the movie, but there's a logical explanation
May 31st 2009
140
it was ok...
May 25th 2009
87
Garbage. DO NOT GO SEE THIS MOVIE! PLEASE
May 25th 2009
89
they ALL overact...expect for
May 25th 2009
92
"It worked. It's beautiful!"
Jun 05th 2009
152
it defied most of my expectations. il iked it. n/m
May 25th 2009
90
How were the lights??
May 25th 2009
93
The look of the film was the best part of the film, really.
May 25th 2009
94
      Thats hilarious.
May 26th 2009
105
shit..i enjoyed it for the most part
May 25th 2009
95
Shit, I liked it...
May 25th 2009
98
My biggest gripe with the movie was how dumb Skynet was (spoilers)
May 25th 2009
99
Kinda felt like a bad episode of BSG: Caprica to me
May 25th 2009
100
First half or so was excellent.....the rest just left me dissapointed
May 26th 2009
101
My brother told me that on NO circumstance are you to go see it
May 26th 2009
103
Honestly I think folks' nostaligia is clouding their memory...
May 26th 2009
104
Oh, no doubt. T2's legacy is coated with thick nostalgia.
May 26th 2009
112
RE: Oh, no doubt. T2's legacy is coated with thick nostalgia.
May 26th 2009
113
T3 is not better than T2....
May 27th 2009
123
Frank Longo is "The Shockinator"
May 27th 2009
126
exactly...
May 26th 2009
118
LOL # Skynet monologuing and Terry Crews as random dead guy
May 26th 2009
106
Skynet must be a Mac because
May 26th 2009
107
STOP the MAC hate...
May 26th 2009
108
Stop it. LOL. Skynet went online with Windows XP.
May 26th 2009
117
      Check hi-tech for the spinoff post.
May 27th 2009
121
CHUD breaks it DOWN
May 26th 2009
109
Wow.
May 26th 2009
110
i did laugh
May 26th 2009
111
The original script sounds like a bigger mess but at least it was ambiti...
May 26th 2009
114
true and honestly...
May 26th 2009
115
this sounds a little eerily too similar to th Evangelion series
May 26th 2009
119
RE: STAF!!
May 27th 2009
134
It was a Terminator movie and yeah I liked it
May 26th 2009
116
I thought it was pretty damn good...
May 26th 2009
120
RE: I thought it was pretty damn good...
May 27th 2009
124
but that's exactly what was wrong with the movie...
May 27th 2009
132
*points at scared child* YOU! MOVE!!!
May 27th 2009
122
^^^This might've been the best part of the movie right here
Jun 04th 2009
146
McG and Christian Bale on the REAL original ending (SWIPE):
May 27th 2009
125
The rumored one is good
May 27th 2009
127
I was just going to post that
May 27th 2009
128
      I get where you're going...
May 27th 2009
129
      yeah, thinking on it now
May 27th 2009
130
           Too bad McG didn't realize that.
May 27th 2009
133
           This would be pretty cool imo
May 28th 2009
135
           TIME OUT!!! "Granite it would confuse everyone"!?!?!?!?!?!
May 31st 2009
139
                lol, I'm trying to see how that is more than just a stupid typo...
May 31st 2009
142
      the robots dont get built because the hand found in the factory never ge...
May 27th 2009
131
           maybe it's one of those 'you can't change history' things
Jun 04th 2009
147
While I liked the movie, this ending would of been much better...
May 28th 2009
136
RE: Terminator: Salvation
May 29th 2009
137
They never really explained who/why Marcus killed either
Jun 01st 2009
143
Did they explain the whole time traveling fiasco???
Jun 01st 2009
144
worst movie I've seen in a LONG, LONG time
Jun 02nd 2009
145
it was EXPLAINED, but left another plothole to ask at the sametime
Jun 05th 2009
149
had they stuck with the original ending, marcus would of have a SIGNIFIC...
Jun 05th 2009
150
thought it was excellent
Jun 04th 2009
148
This is the second time Bale gets outshined by an australian dude.
Jun 05th 2009
151
i presume the 1st time being 'the prestige'
Jun 06th 2009
153
      Oh shit, I forgot about Jackman.
Jun 06th 2009
154
           Bale>>>>>>>>>>>Jackman in The Prestige. I liked both but cmon.
Jun 07th 2009
156
it's aight
Jun 07th 2009
155

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